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FootyFan24 said:
Everyone needs to look at the facts , Aspley were the better side on the day . But there is no shadow of doubt that if the NT Thunder weren't cheated they would have been the 2014 NEAFL Premiers.

Honestly how can the NEAFL allow the Sydney Swans the ability to play an unrestricted list against the Thunder but then restricted against ASPLEY. Absolutely disgraceful . Its clear as day , NT Thunder get the same rules as everyone else they beat the swans and then smash Aspley in Darwin. NT were clearly the best side all year , playing AFL resevres side's more than anyone and holding their own.

Come on NEAFL !!! Draw needs to be fixed and the rules fair for everyone.
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FootyFan24,

This comment is probably a fair call - when it relates to playing in the territory, no one would argue this all games won in the NT by the Thunder, not so in and around the other grounds around the competition!!!!!!! I am sure the rules are being looked at as we speak and hopefully the salary cap and the influx of AFL money being presented to the Non AFL Clubs in the NEAFL is examined as well, Ryan O'Keefe would have earned twice the amount this year, of what the total salary of all 35 listed players from Aspley were paid - Where's the fairness in this???????? I am also led to believe that the Thunder have also a fairly generous gravy train that drops some handy coin into their coffers each year.
 
billybunter said:
FootyFan24,

This comment is probably a fair call - when it relates to playing in the territory, no one would argue this all games won in the NT by the Thunder, not so in and around the other grounds around the competition!!!!!!! I am sure the rules are being looked at as we speak and hopefully the salary cap and the influx of AFL money being presented to the Non AFL Clubs in the NEAFL is examined as well, Ryan O'Keefe would have earned twice the amount this year, of what the total salary of all 35 listed players from Aspley were paid - Where's the fairness in this???????? I am also led to believe that the Thunder have also a fairly generous gravy train that drops some handy coin into their coffers each year.
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is it true that Pain was on more than Okeefe?
settle hornets just kidding...
 
The salary cap won't change imo. It needs to stay so the Qld / NSW/ACT clubs have the capacity to attract (decent) players. The AFL clubs don't require this attraction, their blokes are recruited, contracted and have the massive carrot of playing at AFL level. If you make Aspley for example only able to pay Matt Payne the same amount hat he may get at say Labarador then he would probably go the easier, less time requirement option. He may not depending on what he's looking for out of footy but many blokes would. There are hundreds of guys in Vic for instance that would be good players at VFL level but choose local / country footy because of the $$ and the decreased time requirements. There is a reason that Redlands, Southport and Aspley met the criteria and it had nothing to do with a history of on field success, it was all about the capacity to generate $$. Take this away and they are stuffed. Good to hear Jed Turner played well - he is a smokey for rookie listed imo based on his form this year. 6'6, athletic, good skills, showed he can hold his own at NEAFL level anyway.
 
smy1305 said:
They arrive bc a few dollars are slung their way too HN, you would have to admit. Like most footy clubs, there are decent people everywhere but lets not pretend they are any better than any of the neighbouring clubs in the area simply bc they can generate a lot more $$ thru gambling etc..
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I agree with both comments smy but with provisos/clarification. My points were being made about the club generally, not just at NEAFL level.

First re $$, you have no argument from me at NEAFL level. NO payment is made to any other player (that I know of) from QFA down to U6s. That has been a sticking point at QFA level and to be frank one (of a few) challenges the club faces in trying to build strength in community football at the senior level. I know I'm inviting a number of "drop NEAFL you idiot" posts in saying that but it is what it is.

Second re clubs being better than another, I'd be disappointed in myself if I had posted comment that was read in that way. My (attempted) point was to try to make the point that you made above. That we have good people and good processes and should not be regarded in the way many do. I once heard a parent from another club state to another: "I hate Aspley and I'll teach my kids to hate Aspley". Really? A friend of a friend went to play Masters at another north side club. At his welcome the team leader said: "OK the first thing you need to know, we hate Aspley". Why? Any team that I have been involved with at Aspley has played in the spirit of the game and has been gracious in defeat or humble in victory (as humble as excited kids can be anyway). It appears though from the comments above that the mud will be slung for generations to come.

The revenue does not make us better than other clubs. It simply means we are blessed with good facilities. The NEAFL team allows the club to tap into these resources and facilities to bring the highest quality of football to the north side of Brisbane. Something which I understand the club is proud to be able to do on behalf of the greater football community. Was the game on the weekend just that little bit more special in that it was at a community football facility and not Blacktown or Yeronga?

Like I said, I think the club should just keep on doing what it's doing and continue to get better at it (nobody's ever got it perfect after all - except maybe John Blair!).
 

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smy1305 said:
Bit rich stating that Aspley are a community football club! Had to cough up $250K + in player payments. Billy - settle down. Port Melb knocked over significantly better AFL 2's sides to win the VFL GF a little while back. Thunderdoc has it in 1 - nothing to do with community football, the Aspley side playing in the Nth conference has much, much more to do with this. Aspley didn't beat a side of full timers, in fact some of the Aspley guys would work less than some of the Sydney Swans lads I would suggest.
The real community football GF is being played this weekend tbh.

And well done to the Hornets - grand effort and sounds like a super match and Blair is obviously a ripper coach (although blind fredy could see that this is all Aspley needed, someone who wasn't prepared to allow the tail to wag the dog which had happened for the best part of a decade previously) but settle down Bunter! The football landscape hasn't changed 1 iota in Qld bc of the win, it just provides some hope.
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back to making false statements about aspley again i see.
 
you lot are a bunch of narks and true colours are shining through when it comes to aspley. they win the comp beating an afl reserves side which was stacked full of talent. all you do is bag the club and make false statements about player payments. . winners are grinners and the rest can please nthemselves
 
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BS Damo - it was a condition of playing in the NEAFL that a minimum spend was required. No one is disputing a great effort but ffs, AFL 2's sides have been beaten before in this comp!! Lets not play it up as the 8th wonder of the world that Aspley had a win.
 
Hornets Nest said:
I agree with both comments smy but with provisos/clarification. My points were being made about the club generally, not just at NEAFL level.

First re $$, you have no argument from me at NEAFL level. NO payment is made to any other player (that I know of) from QFA down to U6s. That has been a sticking point at QFA level and to be frank one (of a few) challenges the club faces in trying to build strength in community football at the senior level. I know I'm inviting a number of "drop NEAFL you idiot" posts in saying that but it is what it is.

Second re clubs being better than another, I'd be disappointed in myself if I had posted comment that was read in that way. My (attempted) point was to try to make the point that you made above. That we have good people and good processes and should not be regarded in the way many do. I once heard a parent from another club state to another: "I hate Aspley and I'll teach my kids to hate Aspley". Really? A friend of a friend went to play Masters at another north side club. At his welcome the team leader said: "OK the first thing you need to know, we hate Aspley". Why? Any team that I have been involved with at Aspley has played in the spirit of the game and has been gracious in defeat or humble in victory (as humble as excited kids can be anyway). It appears though from the comments above that the mud will be slung for generations to come.

The revenue does not make us better than other clubs. It simply means we are blessed with good facilities. The NEAFL team allows the club to tap into these resources and facilities to bring the highest quality of football to the north side of Brisbane. Something which I understand the club is proud to be able to do on behalf of the greater football community. Was the game on the weekend just that little bit more special in that it was at a community football facility and not Blacktown or Yeronga?

Like I said, I think the club should just keep on doing what it's doing and continue to get better at it (nobody's ever got it perfect after all - except maybe John Blair!).
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Great post HN - a bit more balanced than some of the others on here about where Aspley sit in the big scheme. I too see that same attitude seep thru towards various SC clubs!! Its a product of generations before - can be healthy, often isn't. Hate is an irrational thought. I don't hate Aspley but they don't command any more respect from me than Noosa, Grange, Mayne, Morningside. Certainly $$ doesn't create respect nor does it create a great football club. People do. The minute Aspley appointed Blair you knew that this would bring change in that area. Prior to this it was a rabble tbh from what i know.
 
In fact what Kedron did this year coming from Div 2 could be seen as one of the better efforts in Qld footy this year to finish 3rd.
 
smy1305 said:
BS Damo - it was a condition of playing in the NEAFL that a minimum spend was required. No one is disputing a great effort but ffs, AFL 2's sides have been beaten before in this comp!! Lets not play it up as the 8th wonder of the world that Aspley had a win.
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maybe you should look up the rules and regulations first. it's maximum 200k and minimum 100k. canberra teams don't have a salary cap
 
smy1305 said:
Great post HN - a bit more balanced than some of the others on here about where Aspley sit in the big scheme. I too see that same attitude seep thru towards various SC clubs!! Its a product of generations before - can be healthy, often isn't. Hate is an irrational thought. I don't hate Aspley but they don't command any more respect from me than Noosa, Grange, Mayne, Morningside. Certainly $$ doesn't create respect nor does it create a great football club. People do. The minute Aspley appointed Blair you knew that this would bring change in that area. Prior to this it was a rabble tbh from what i know.
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as you have never been involved in the club or been around the club . this point hasn't got much value to it
 
grimlock said:
I guess this was what was being referred to re: Crouch

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...eafl-grand-final/story-fni5ezdm-1227057619080
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Grimlock,

Now I have calmed down after being banned from a certain thread on Big Footy for going into bat for the adjudicators on the day and also perceived to then be bringing a member of your club's staff credibility into question (Now you can be the Judge) - The incident above is not the one I was referring to, although this in itself sets a very dangerous precedent, what I and a few hundred other fans, both Swans and Hornets witnessed was Coach Crouch brushing Coach Blair at the end of the game as he walked past him screaming out "we were robbed" - This incident is also caught for prosperity on the tape at the end of the game, please take the time to have a look at it and if you think this sets a good example of what our GAME is all about, then we are polls apart from what should be expected from an AFL accredited Coach at any level. Someone IMO needs to have a serious talk with Coach Crouch and explain again (in the very least) the AFL Code of Conduct requirements that he has obviously signed up to.

In fairness to Coach Crouch he did go into the Aspley Rooms at the end of the game (from all reports) to say a few words of congratulations - but this does not take away the behaviour witnessed above. It like carelessly running over some's foot and then saying, I will pay the medical costs.
 

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As far as I can see on the replay, Crouch shook Blair's hand at 35 minutes and 21 seconds. Sure there didn't seem too be much warmth in it but nothing requires him to do so.

What do neutral observers think?
 
grimlock said:
As far as I can see on the replay, Crouch shook Blair's hand at 35 minutes and 21 seconds. Sure there didn't seem too be much warmth in it but nothing requires him to do so.

What do neutral observers think?
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A lot of shit has been thrown around here since Aspleys win in the GF. And we can all express our opinions be it both positive and negative in many different issues, but at the end of the day, Aspley have won the NEAFL premiership for 2014..Thats it.!!!!!!!
 
thunderdoc said:
Firstly congratulations to John Blair, all the ex Northern Raiders and the Morningside boys that wanted to continue in the NEAFL and of course Matthew Payne.

Damo it has nothing to do with community football and actually the licence to play in the NEAFL is anti-community football. You turn away all your reserve players to have a list of 35 players and spend large amounts of money to compete in a competition to satisfy the AFL reserves. You don't allow your Under 18s (or in Aspley's case Under 20s) to compete regularly against the best Under 18s going around. It could not be further removed from Community football, it is an semi-elite competiton.
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A few misconceptions in these statements from thunderdoc, lets remember the Aspley board in late 2013 originally rejected the propsal to enter the revised NEAFL league for 2014. One of the main reasons amongst this was that Aspley would have to do away with the QFA group. Aspley stood up and said no to a proposal that would not allow Aspley juniors to play senior football at Aspley, if they were not good enough to play NEAFL. The AFL also demanded Aspley turn their reserves players away....not Aspley, in fact I believe Aspley wanted to enter their NEAFL left over players into the QAFL as a stand alone team instead of the farming out to local clubs, but where denied by the AFL.
Aspley also fought hard to have their colts play at the best level, it was an AFL decision to shove them into the North comp, not an Aspley decision. It was a credit to the colts coach and the players that they stuck together and except for a real test from Maroochydore a couple of times during the year, they really did not know where they sat in the bigger picture, but despite the lack of a test week in week out, they still managed to reach the GF. A great effort!
I also am aware that the Aspley board of last year suggested that if a community club played an interstate AFL club in the GF, regardless of who finished higher the GF would be played in the town of the community club, this could be why it was at Graham road on Saturday....another example of Aspley not rolling over to the whims of the AFL, and promoting local community football.
I do tend to agree with thunderdoc though, that standing alone with an NEAFL team could be anti-community football, but credit to the Aspley board of last year, who saw this and demanded that they still had a link to the community, via the QFA team and other suggestions
So well done Hornets for promoting community football in Qld with forsight at the end of 2013 to negotiate a better deal for 2014 and beyond, and if anyone doubts this look at the crowd on Saturday and see the amount of Aspley shirts and jumpers at the game, (including the 50 odd QFA blokes) and other people aged from 5 to 85........
 
damochandler said:
maybe you should look up the rules and regulations first. it's maximum 200k and minimum 100k. canberra teams don't have a salary cap
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If you look at it Damo then you will see there is provision to spend up to $250K but hey whats an extra $50K among community footy clubs....
 
High School Dropout said:
A few misconceptions in these statements from thunderdoc, lets remember the Aspley board in late 2013 originally rejected the propsal to enter the revised NEAFL league for 2014. One of the main reasons amongst this was that Aspley would have to do away with the QFA group. Aspley stood up and said no to a proposal that would not allow Aspley juniors to play senior football at Aspley, if they were not good enough to play NEAFL. The AFL also demanded Aspley turn their reserves players away....not Aspley, in fact I believe Aspley wanted to enter their NEAFL left over players into the QAFL as a stand alone team instead of the farming out to local clubs, but where denied by the AFL.
Aspley also fought hard to have their colts play at the best level, it was an AFL decision to shove them into the North comp, not an Aspley decision. It was a credit to the colts coach and the players that they stuck together and except for a real test from Maroochydore a couple of times during the year, they really did not know where they sat in the bigger picture, but despite the lack of a test week in week out, they still managed to reach the GF. A great effort!
I also am aware that the Aspley board of last year suggested that if a community club played an interstate AFL club in the GF, regardless of who finished higher the GF would be played in the town of the community club, this could be why it was at Graham road on Saturday....another example of Aspley not rolling over to the whims of the AFL, and promoting local community football.
I do tend to agree with thunderdoc though, that standing alone with an NEAFL team could be anti-community football, but credit to the Aspley board of last year, who saw this and demanded that they still had a link to the community, via the QFA team and other suggestions
So well done Hornets for promoting community football in Qld with forsight at the end of 2013 to negotiate a better deal for 2014 and beyond, and if anyone doubts this look at the crowd on Saturday and see the amount of Aspley shirts and jumpers at the game, (including the 50 odd QFA blokes) and other people aged from 5 to 85........
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As it was for all the clubs unfortunately HSD - it was a dumb decision but unfortunately the AFLQ rolled over from pressure applied by clubs who THOUGHT they had a good list, were afraid of their better players moving to clubs playing in the elite comp and therefore pushed hard for the comps to follow their seniors. Not sure it was in the best interests of the kids in the end. At the end of the day there is a hell of a lot of insecurity from people involved in footy clubs - the attitude of "that kid will go to Aspley, we will never see him again".. etc. With permits and a coach with a good attitude then this should never be an issue imo - but it is.Will be interesting to see what happens next year with a 17's/19's comp.
 

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Speedyunit said:
few years ago at Broady there was one of the best crowds i think it was bigger than the GF the week after at carrara between Sahrks and Mside?
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Key word Carrara. Those stadium grand finals like at Carrara and Gabba were horrid to watch the footy.
 

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