News Ned Guy List Manager to leave after MD

[Horaceg]

You are an astute young fella ( a descendant?).

I think the FS is a vexed issue. The Carlollies are stuck with getting the vastly over rated JSOS over the 100 game line well ??? just because he might have kids of the bloke persuasion. That is truly the extent of that scumbag club's ability to plan.

It was tongue in cheek, can’t see why Cal is getting games on current form.

 

[Gone Critical]

Had a game of golf today with a bloke who is a bit of a name in the industry. had been talking to Taylor Adams this morning and Tay said the players had no idea Guy was going. He was at the club yesterday and all seemed well. Thought he had been pushed rather than the line about resigning as in the Age article today.

 

[Gone Critical]

Are you sure about all that?

Guy didn’t commence in the role until 2018.

Cox was re-signed in 2017 on a 3yr contract at $550k pa with an option for the 4th year.

And why are you so upset that ‘Guy’ lied to us? Do you think clubs always tell you exactly what they think or what is happening? You don’t think he was told what to say/not say in the media?

He wasn’t perfect but I’d imagine part of the issue at the Collingwood Football Club (as has been pointed out), is that certain forces had too much of a say on the list and team. I wouldn’t have been surprised if Eddie and the board directed Guy to get certain things done. Do you think the board were involved in signing off the Grundy deal? I definitely think that was the case.

I agree Guy is getting a lot more blame here than deserved. I thought Rendells interview today was interesting. His opinion was these big decisions on contracts, who to target etc came down to the footy manager, Walsh, to sign off on. Guy roles would have been to negotiate and crunch numbers under the orders of those above him. makes sense , a relatively junior adminstrator isnt going to be making those decisions. he would have had orders about what to do and what negotiations he should perform and the sign off would have gone to those higher up the food chain.

 

[Doc1763]

Had a game of golf today with a bloke who is a bit of a name in the industry. had been talking to Taylor Adams this morning and Tay said the players had no idea Guy was going. He was at the club yesterday and all seemed well. Thought he had been pushed rather than the line about resigning as in the Age article today.

Nah, that cant be right, we wouldn't put a spin on something like that...................

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

it will not be Buckley’s decision as to whether Sando or Harvey stay - his opinion might be sought but GW will decide I suspect.

Maybe not but he will also have no say in them staying either. In fact if he so much lifts a finger to protect them he'll be frogmarched out at the same time

 

[Knightmare]

In hearing what Rendell had to say, the concerning component is that Hine is carrying and doesn't have enough or seemingly any support.

Is there a formal list of those staff still on the Collingwood recruiting team?

Rendell is gone. Dom Milesi is now in charge for WBD. Adam Shepard was with Collingwood for a long time and is also gone.

Who are the names who remain as part of the recruiting team other than Hine? And how many are there?

 

[jonmacTrag]

I agree Guy is getting a lot more blame here than deserved. I thought Rendells interview today was interesting. His opinion was these big decisions on contracts, who to target etc came down to the footy manager, Walsh, to sign off on. Guy roles would have been to negotiate and crunch numbers under the orders of those above him. makes sense , a relatively junior adminstrator isnt going to be making those decisions. he would have had orders about what to do and what negotiations he should perform and the sign off would have gone to those higher up the food chain.

Whether there is truth there or not there is no denying the RELISH Rendell is feeling - sliimeball.

 

[Go Woods]

In hearing what Rendell had to say, the concerning component is that Hine is carrying and doesn't have enough or seemingly any support.

Is there a formal list of those staff still on the Collingwood recruiting team?

Rendell is gone. Dom Milesi is now in charge for WBD. Adam Shepard was with Collingwood for a long time and is also gone.

Who are the names who remain as part of the recruiting team other than Hine? And how many are there?

Hopefully Wrighty will get the support to restructure our list management area and is able to create supporting roles and fill them with quality experienced personnel.
We need to get this part of the club right, amongst lots of other things....
What a basket case we have become.....

 

[THATSGOLD]

No, we were always going to lose them. Getting them traded for peanuts is largely down to him, though

He put Stevo and Philips on $500k plus didnt he? Then realized we can’t afford them. Who’s fault is that?

 

[Scodog10]

Are you sure about all that?

Guy didn’t commence in the role until 2018.

Cox was re-signed in 2017 on a 3yr contract at $550k pa with an option for the 4th year.

And why are you so upset that ‘Guy’ lied to us? Do you think clubs always tell you exactly what they think or what is happening? You don’t think he was told what to say/not say in the media?

He wasn’t perfect but I’d imagine part of the issue at the Collingwood Football Club (as has been pointed out), is that certain forces had too much of a say on the list and team. I wouldn’t have been surprised if Eddie and the board directed Guy to get certain things done. Do you think the board were involved in signing off the Grundy deal? I definitely think that was the case.

I stand corrected on the Cox deal. It’s maddening that anyone would sign him to that much at any point, but I can’t prove your information wrong.

Why are you not upset that he and the club have lied? I knew what the go was, but for them not to own it following trade week once the damage was done was disgusting. All he needed to do was say “yeah salary cap was ****ed these moves were to address it” everyone in the industry knew it, but despite that the decision was to continue to treat us like mushrooms and posters like yourself continue to swallow their shit. Him being told what to say feeds right into the Do Better report. The truth is always better than spin.

Of course the board played a role in the Grundy deal. That’s a massive red flag that Guy wasn’t up to the job and you have to be accountable for your own position regardless of outside influence.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

He put Stevo and Philips on $500k plus didnt he? Then realized we can’t afford them. Who’s fault is that?

A gang of fools came up with that.

 

[jonmacTrag]

Hopefully Wrighty will get the support to restructure our list management area and is able to create supporting roles and fill them with quality experienced personnel.
We need to get this part of the club right, among lots of other things....
What a basket case we have become.....

The restructure has to be thorough, Ned Guy is a clear example of putting non football oriented people in positions of power within the player management area.
Stronger laws regarding terms for all board members and the Pres, greater access for supporter representation and and IRON CLAD ban on leaking to the media - anyone caught gets INSTANT dismissal - and that gets written into every contract. I'm sick to death of every cough or fart a player makes being leaked to the bloody media.
On top of that we have been entirely to accommodating with the media - it's time to make them earn every bit of information.
These are things we can control so we need to get this sht together.

 

[Roverjg]

It was his Knee that went on him.

Did not have a Foot Issue after being Drafted

He injured his foot the year he was drafted. He was injured when drafted

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[jonmacTrag]

He injured his foot the year he was drafted. He was injured when drafted

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So was a certain Geelong star.
Give it a rest - all clubs do it if the talent is there.

 

[jackcass]

I think some of the re-signing rates might have been related to triggers in previous contracts.

But ultimately, I think he was a part of a pyramid scheme that assumed that the cap would continue to rise indefinitely.

Rise as specified by the AFL pre-CV19 you mean? It wasn’t actually fanciful thinking, it was actually prescribed as about 2% a year every year of the current EBA. Why wouldn’t they assume that was coming?

 

[jackcass]

Scharenberg was a known injury risk draftee with a foot injury which came about through overuse.

A Derek Hine fail-to-perform-due-diligence, first-rounder-late-bloomer and inbetweener special.

What a crock. Just how is a foot injury symptomatic of potential ACL’s. Love to see the research confirming that correlation.

 

[jackcass]

Shazza was suffering with a significant foot injury in his draft year. This turned some clubs off. Then once with us he did his knee. There was concern that his foot injury may have contributed to his knee injury (change in weight bearing and altered gait) but never proved.

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Has there ever been a documented case where a foot injury has been a precursor to an ACL, let alone 3 across both knees? Anywhere in the world, in any sporting sphere?

 

[cityslick1]

Need cap space to do that.

we still went for Lynch, Lever, May & Cameron on his watch... so they prob had the Beams + Phillips + Cox money ready to go for a big recruit, but were forced to keep & top up some average players instead

 

[NMBB]

Had a game of golf today with a bloke who is a bit of a name in the industry. had been talking to Taylor Adams this morning and Tay said
the players had no idea Guy was going. He was at the club yesterday and all seemed well. Thought he had been pushed rather than the line about resigning as in the Age article today.

thought it was a post about our game "plan"

 

[TradeDraft]

In hearing what Rendell had to say, the concerning component is that Hine is carrying and doesn't have enough or seemingly any support.

Is there a formal list of those staff still on the Collingwood recruiting team?

Rendell is gone. Dom Milesi is now in charge for WBD. Adam Shepard was with Collingwood for a long time and is also gone.

Who are the names who remain as part of the recruiting team other than Hine? And how many are there?

Isn't Wright the List Manager at the Moment while they go Searching for his Replacment,

Just more Proof of Eddie not putting Money into the Footy Department that was needed badly just because of his Fight with the AFL over Soft Cap for Footy Departments.

You hope we bring in some more Recruiters to help Hine IF Hine Keeps his Job

 

[jackcass]

He injured his foot the year he was drafted. He was injured when drafted

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Being injured in his draft year doesn’t make him any more an injury risk than Judd, Selwood or Stringer.

 

[jackcass]

we still went for Lynch, Lever, May & Cameron on his watch... so they prob had the Beams + Phillips + Cox money ready to go for a big recruit, but were forced to keep & top up some average players instead

Yep, and we delayed key signings pending a decisions from those players, Moore and Langdon among those delayed signings.

 

[Billys Back]

I stand corrected on the Cox deal. It’s maddening that anyone would sign him to that much at any point, but I can’t prove your information wrong.

Why are you not upset that he and the club have lied? I knew what the go was, but for them not to own it following trade week once the damage was done was disgusting. All he needed to do was say “yeah salary cap was f’ed these moves were to address it” everyone in the industry knew it, but despite that the decision was to continue to treat us like mushrooms and posters like yourself continue to swallow their sh*t. Him being told what to say feeds right into the Do Better report. The truth is always better than spin.

Of course the board played a role in the Grundy deal. That’s a massive red flag that Guy wasn’t up to the job and you have to be accountable for your own position regardless of outside influence.

I don’t know what he was specifically recruited for. Was he given the sole responsibility to create a list? Or was he simply in an administrative role being instructed by the GM and possibly board to execute certain things.

I read plenty from journo’s who believe he wasn’t responsible for the mess. Sure there were players who had their contracts extended (or re-written) during his time, but for all we know it may have been a necessity (ie Treloar’s contact having to be backended), in order to accomodate the likes of Beams coming in.

Maybe the board told him Grundy needs to be re-signed and Guy didn’t want to budge on the offer but was instructed in the end to get it done?

We know, and it was confirmed in the ‘Do Better’ report than there were/are big personalities at the club who are too involved in different areas. If you think the President didn’t get himself involved in a lot of the decision making at the club, then you wpuld

There’s plenty we don’t know but are just assuming.

Graham Wright sounded like he didn’t want him to leave. He could have just provided the standard ‘thanks for your contribution’ however, he said a lot more than that.

Again, I don’t really care about Guy. However, he was one of the new guys to come to the club and due to his job title, many blame him for the issue with the list.
And when he actually does something to commence the process of cleaning it up and setting up for the future, he is caned for it.

I don’t think I heard Guy say anything negative about Treloar. But I’m sure his job was made that bit more difficult to find a suitable trade when the crap came out.

He did try to get us the pick 1 in the 2019 draft to land Rowell with Treloar involved. If only Treloar agreed, than we would have potentially picked up a midfield jet.

And yes I’m sure he had some stuff ups just like all others. But right now I can’t confidently say he has done a good or bad job.

 

[cityslick1]

Guy came to the club knowing there was an issue with the cap and reportedly to fix it.

Putting aside the Beams deal which contributed to the problem, there are the other re-signings during his tenure. He re-signed Treloar, Phillips, Stephenson, De Goey, Grundy and Moore on deals that ultimately we couldn't afford.

He left it too late to balance the books which left us with no leverage to get their value (Treloar, Phillips, Stephenson) when they did leave. There are two problems here. One is the salaries that Guy re-signed our players on which made the salary cap situation worse. Two is failing to recognise the issue early, and picking a trade when we could get the players value.

The situation was compounded by the reductions in the salary cap but we still would have been in serious trouble irrespective.

The thing we don't know is whether the board continued to intervene in the decisions. If they did, and Korda doesn't sort it out we'll continue to be in trouble. I find that unlikely outside the Beams deal, which I reckon had Ed all over it.

My take is that Guy was the list manager and that was his responsibility to manage with the Footy Manager. The outcome is there for everyone to see.

He had 4 years to fix the salary cap before last years crunch happened and he failed. That is plenty of time to influence what happened.

agreed, but we had a tyranical Footy manager who wouldve bossed Ned with an iron fist. Just like we had a tyranical Prez, who told the CEO what to do. Am certain things run a lot differently at say Richmond, with Brendan Gale & Peggy O'Neil.

 

[THATSGOLD]

A gang of fools came up with that.

So how much were they on? Stevenson signed another contract before his contract even expired. That was 2 contracts before 21.