Player Watch Ned Long

[cfc19902010]

That's why you're not a selector on the AFL under 22 panel

Yeah
AFL preliminary finals are irrelevant when you’ve been selected in that

 

[cakewalk_1]

Ned Long, will have another big preseason and work on his progress. It was his first finals experience at senior level.
He stays IMHO, he offers more upside to the team than not. He wasn't the reason we lost on Saturday.

 

[No SPIN]

Yeah
AFL preliminary finals are irrelevant when you’ve been selected in that

Only when you can't see the wood for the trees.

You've been smashed from pillar to post on your fringe attitude to Long.
Further debate serves no purpose, when the prevailing commentary by so many, is that you are wrong on this issue.
Please don't waste my time by replying,

 

[cfc19902010]

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Only when you can't see the wood for the trees.

You've been smashed from pillar to post on your fringe attitude to Long.
Further debate serves no purpose, when the prevailing commentary by so many, is that you are wrong on this issue.
Please don't waste my time by replying,

Really ?
Lol
Don’t dare retaliate to the angry mob !!!
Your ranting posts sound like you’ve had a bit of trauma from pillar to post yourself
Swatting away silly posts from the sheep isn’t exactly being smashed
You thought Callum b would make it too

 

[sideswipe]

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Really ?
Lol
Don’t dare retaliate to the angry mob !!!
Your ranting posts sound like you’ve had a bit of trauma from pillar to post yourself
Swatting away silly posts from the sheep isn’t exactly being smashed
You thought Callum b would make it too

Cal B served me beers after the game. I think he has made it.

 

[sr36]

I don't know if he's not good enough.

I think there's enough to work with, but the responsibility is on the coaches to either:

• Develop and improve his weaknesses or...
• Maximise and utilise his strengths to our advantage where possible

If it were me? I'd be using him almost exclusively as a run with/tagger. Just reckon our midfield is beaten far too frequently going head to head against opposition midfields (who tag our best mids by the way) for us to just keep banging our heads into a wall on this

Reckon Ned would make a fantastic run with/tagger

I don't think he'll be a run with tagger. He hasn't got the pace for those who do damage on the outside. There's two blokes playing in the Granny who are crucial to their teams who I think we're trying to develop him towards - Atkins and Dunkley. Tackling machines who can put the clamps on opposition beasts around stoppage, but also win it themselves.

 

[cfc19902010]

Cal B served me beers after the game. I think he has made it.

Try and be amusing wipe

 

[gouki88]

I don't think he'll be a run with tagger. He hasn't got the pace for those who do damage on the outside. There's two blokes playing in the Granny who are crucial to their teams who I think we're trying to develop him towards - Atkins and Dunkley. Tackling machines who can put the clamps on opposition beasts around stoppage, but also win it themselves.

Agreed. A dollar shop Dunkley would be an ideal outcome (he also cannot kick) - although Long is almost already there yet. Maybe close to Dunkley is achievable

 

[WanderingDude]

It was a bit circumstantial in terms of young players pushing seniors out - the two most likely to have done that - Harrison and Reef were on the sidelines with ACLs. I thought it was actually a pretty decent year in terms of development (but I tend to be a bit less optimistic about the VFL players than most are) - Long, plus Parker and Steele look very likely. Charlie West showed a bit of wow factor. Add in Reef and Harrison and that's a decent number of young developing players who should be pushing to be regulars next year. It's enough to refresh the team in the short term. but we need to keep developing and adding players like all teams.

I place HH and Long at the head of the pack. I hope HHs knee is 100%. I would have Allan and Parker very good. I have lingering Allan issues with limits, position and approach but getting the games is the right way. Parker has to change his cricket body and this preseason should see him cement his place. Steele is edge of best 23. I expect a jump. Reef waiting and wanting. West has that swagger and may surprise early. I fear HDM, McCrae and Ryan may just be where they should be. A potential huge loss of draft capital but there is a chance. 0/3 maybe the outcome. The focus on experienced talent at the draft may lead to young talent leaving. The journey is a joy.

 

[spartan-magpie]

I don't know if he's not good enough.

I think there's enough to work with, but the responsibility is on the coaches to either:

• Develop and improve his weaknesses or...
• Maximise and utilise his strengths to our advantage where possible

If it were me? I'd be using him almost exclusively as a run with/tagger. Just reckon our midfield is beaten far too frequently going head to head against opposition midfields (who tag our best mids by the way) for us to just keep banging our heads into a wall on this

Reckon Ned would make a fantastic run with/tagger

Definitely an option…. Either way, his disposal needs intensive training.


While he's not the reason we lost, his skill execution is below average. As an extractor he should be able to at least execute a handball to a teammates advantage.

 

[spartan-magpie]

He had one great final, one poor. A player with so few games and his AFL traits is a keeper.

Teams will allow him to end up with the ball, because they’ll be confident he’ll turn it over more often than not.

His tackling, hardness and crash and bash is elite, his skills, though, need a major overhaul if he’s to be a best 23 player next season

 

[WanderingDude]

Magnum Force. Harry Callahan: A man's GOT to know his limitations.

With development Long and the team will work it out.

 

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improved their disposal to become handy players. Hopefully Ned can do the same. Would be fantastic if he can, cos he has some top attributes already.

 

[Kappa]

Of course you’d want to see glimpses of something that makes him look like an AFL footballer, and he’s done that. It’s not every week that somebody breaks the club tackle count record.

His start of season was better than his end of season, but that’s very normal for young players.

Consistency will come later.

I can expect him not to use the ball to a level that would make taylor adams blush

Modern football is as much as anything about not turning the football over when you have possession. Look at the teams playing in the grand final next week and tell me how many ball butchers they have?

 

[sr36]

Agreed. A dollar shop Dunkley would be an ideal outcome (he also cannot kick) - although Long is almost already there yet. Maybe close to Dunkley is achievable

Dunkley would be awesome, but Atkins even moreso for - as like Atkins there's a bit more offensive scope with Long than Dunkley has.

 

[gouki88]

Dunkley would be awesome, but Atkins even moreso for - as like Atkins there's a bit more offensive scope with Long than Dunkley has.

I wouldn't complain either, it's probably just lazy from me because Dunkley is a similar size

 

[WanderingDude]

I can expect him not to use the ball to a level that would make taylor adams blush

Modern football is as much as anything about not turning the football over when you have possession. Look at the teams playing in the grand final next week and tell me how many ball butchers they have?

Bailey Smith, Dunkley ….

 

[Kappa]

Bailey Smith, Dunkley ….

So you're telling me Bailey Smith uses the ball on a similar level to Ned Long? Okay buddy.

 

[gouki88]

So you're telling me Bailey Smith uses the ball on a similar level to Ned Long? Okay buddy.

Carefully avoided talking about Dunkley, who has very similar disposal issues and was a real kicking liability in his early days

 

[cfc19902010]

Bailey Smith, Dunkley ….

Lol
Their miles in front of Long

 

[Kappa]

Carefully avoided talking about Dunkley, who has very similar disposal issues and was a real kicking liability in his early days

So just to be clear, you're saying Josh Dunkley uses the ball on a similar level to Ned Long, correct?

 

[JLC]

Maynard and Howe have been long term defenders who have been champions of our club
Howes nearly done but had a magnificent career as has Maynard
They made errors yesterday
The analogy with longs career so far doesn’t cut the mustard

I have not really understood why Howe and Moore take kick outs when you have Josh Daicos, Nick Daicos and Houston in the team. Makes no sense to me.

Especially given Howe was just returning from injury.

 

[WanderingDude]

So you're telling me Bailey Smith uses the ball on a similar level to Ned Long? Okay buddy.

You asked the question. Both listed are longer playing. Further developed. I gave you ball butchers like you asked. Clearly the fault is you question and your understanding of your own question. I would have Bailey Smith and Dunkley before Long, but that was not your question.

 

[gouki88]

So just to be clear, you're saying Josh Dunkley uses the ball on a similar level to Ned Long, correct?

As a Bulldog his disposal was comparable to Long's is now. Even his kicking motion 3 years ago in these highlights was significantly more robotic and stiff than it is now, similar to Long's.

 

[JLC]

It is more than a skill issue - I think part of the problem is poor decision making.

I would be reluctant to go with Long against the Lions again. Need a better alternative. He had 2 cracks in the last 6 weeks and failed miserably both times.

If it was a set shot for goal then I'm taking Long over Dunkley all day long. I will give Long that small win over Dunkley.