Roast Negative only thread

[1970crow]

It's interesting that Crowmania is currently selling merchandise featuring 3 different logos - the shield crow from 1991, the 'swooping Crow' from 2000s, and the current Baltimore Raven.

I know all clubs see a gap in the market to sell retro merch, but I find it unusual that we would do this for long periods of time.

To me it suggests they know the Raven is unpopular to many, but they can't bring themselves to turn it off officially, so let's have a bet each way.

A new logo will never be the number one priority to fix, but a professional organisation should be much better with tidying this stuff up.

I guess there's an argument that just because the raven is our new logo, our old logos don't cease to be logos in their own right.

 

[GROTTO]

It's Burgess and his mantra "learning to play under adversity" ......what happens if we were approaching a Finals Prelim, do we put players in for surgery ?

Dont worry we wont have to worry about this issue for another 5+ years.

 

[Cap]

Dont worry we wont have to worry about this issue for another 5+ years.

If that's true, this is going to be a long thread.

If we aren't pushing 10 wins this season and finals next season Nick's can't last (I think that's a negative statement.....)

 

[GROTTO]

If that's true, this is going to be a long thread.

If we aren't pushing 10 wins this season and finals next season Nick's can't last (I think that's a negative statement.....)

I have us at around 8 wins in 2023.

 

[Bearded Clam]

I’d play him ahead of Sloane without hesitation. None of our other forwards though and definitely not in the midfield or behind the ball.

You might… but would the club?..

We all know as soon as Sloane is fit he’ll be straight back in the 22.
Especially if he’s still captain.

And Sloane has already told the world several times that he’ll be right to go for Round 1.

 

[jackster83]

More importantly, why the * is Keays playing out a season with a bad groin and a shoulder in a year we’re finishing bottom 5. Surely that year is done and you schedule surgery so that preparation for the next year is unimpeded.

We never learn.

 

[Cap]

I have us at around 8 wins in 2023.

That seems to be the general feel from all of the early predictions I've seen.

That means a 6 to 10 range I guess,


Would it be outrageous to suggest Nick's is sacked at 6, fine at 8+?

 

[GROTTO]

That seems to be the general feel from all of the early predictions I've seen.

That means a 6 to 10 range I guess,


Would it be outrageous to suggest Nick's is sacked at 6, fine at 8+?

We play 4 games against North and Eagles in total, given where we are at in comparison, you would assume we should be wining all 4 of those games. We should be looking to take a few more scalps along the way.

I think it also depends on how we lose our other games and the manner in which we played them.

The team needs to be competitive and making progression throughout the season.

It will be interesting how much heat gets placed on Nicks and on the team in 2022, I see only 2 bankable wins in the first 10 games and to be honest I dont say that with a lot of confidence either.

Its definitely not beyond the realms of possibility we are 0-10 after the first 10 games.

 

[Cap]

We play 4 games against North and Eagles in total, given where we are at in comparison, you would assume we should be wining all 4 of those games. We should be looking to take a few more scalps along the way.

I think it also depends on how we lose our other games and the manner in which we played them.

The team needs to be competitive and making progression throughout the season.

It will be interesting how much heat gets placed on Nicks and on the team in 2022, I see only 2 bankable wins in the first 10 games and to be honest I dont say that with a lot of confidence either.

Its definitely not beyond the realms of possibility we are 0-10 after the first 10 games.

That's a fair point, which games do you have as Bankable?

I was looking at the first 10 thinking if we played well and a bit of luck 5-5 shouldn't be out of the question. Could go 2 wins against GWS and Hawthorn.

Mind you, if we are only banking our 3rd win against WCE in Round 13 I cannot see Nick's survive.

 

[GROTTO]

That's a fair point, which games do you have as Bankable?

I was looking at the first 10 thinking if we played well and a bit of luck 5-5 shouldn't be out of the question. Could go 2 wins against GWS and Hawthorn.

Mind you, if we are only banking our 3rd win against WCE in Round 13 I cannot see Nick's survive.

Hawks and the Saints.

Both teams which beat us well last year too.

Here are my thoughts on the first 10 games.

We last beat GWS away in 2014, they bat deep in their midfield and its an away game too, they beat us by 10+ goals last year.
Tigers gain two mids of Taranto and Hopper along with Dusty (missing last year vs us) for our game.
Port are 4-1 in the last 5 showdowns, I expect Port to beat us.
Fremantle have also developed into a much stronger and better side than the team that beat us in Round 1.
Carlton I felt approached the game expecting the win and took us very lightly. It definitely wont happen next year, they are expected to make the 8.
Hawks in Tassie, is no easy game, they have a solid record down there, not to mention they beat us by 5+ goals last year.
v Pies, they have a good record at AO and beat us last year at AO as well, the wet conditions helped us that day.
v Cats we are not beating the Cats at that shithole.
v Saints, we lost to them last year at AO by 3+ goals and if they kicked better should have won comfortably
v Dogs at Mars, we beat them last year, but always felt we caught them off guard when we rocked up and played very well that day.

Its not say we might not win a game or two, as anything is possible, given injuries, suspensions, weather, inaccurate kicking, however on the balance of probabilities I would have us at 2-8 or maybe 3-7 at best case scenario.

 

[Cap]

Hawks and the Saints.

Both teams which beat us well last year too.

Here are my thoughts on the first 10 games.

We last beat GWS away in 2014, they bat deep in their midfield and its an away game too, they beat us by 10+ goals last year.
Tigers gain two mids of Taranto and Hopper along with Dusty (missing last year vs us) for our game.
Port are 4-1 in the last 5 showdowns, I expect Port to beat us.
Fremantle have also developed into a much stronger and better side than the team that beat us in Round 1.
Carlton I felt approached the game expecting the win and took us very lightly. It definitely wont happen next year, they are expected to make the 8.
Hawks in Tassie, is no easy game, they have a solid record down there, not to mention they beat us by 5+ goals last year.
v Pies, they have a good record at AO and beat us last year at AO as well, the wet conditions helped us that day.
v Cats we are not beating the Cats at that shithole.
v Saints, we lost to them last year at AO by 3+ goals and if they kicked better should have won comfortably
v Dogs at Mars, we beat them last year, but always felt we caught them off guard when we rocked up and played very well that day.

Its not say we might not win a game or two, as anything is possible, given injuries, suspensions, weather, inaccurate kicking, however on the balance of probabilities I would have us at 2-8 or maybe 3-7 at best case scenario.

All fair points, hard to disagree with any of it.

I guess the reflection of our own improvement needs to be overlaid on those points, a lack of improvement gets us 2-8/3-7 and puts pressure on Nick's.

Showing improvement sees us winning more games,I would hope. Assuming we don't lose most games by under a kick and it's all down to bad luck.

 

[jackster83]

All fair points, hard to disagree with any of it.

I guess the reflection of our own improvement needs to be overlaid on those points, a lack of improvement gets us 2-8/3-7 and puts pressure on Nick's.

Showing improvement sees us winning more games, I would hope, assuming we don't lose most games by under a kick and it's all down to bad luck.

Showing improvement will see us be in more games for longer. Whether we win them or just fall short, is another matter.

It's the regulation six goal losses where we try hard but never really threaten for the win that I want to see less of. Our percentage in 2022 showed we were still a fair way away from even being a middling side.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

I was really happy with what Keays managed to do up forward last year i.e. his job on Saad. Given our selection committee has some strange raging hardon for defensive pressure up forward then he would be a great fit whether that's a combined role with the midfield or even a permanent spot up forward. He is an exponential upgrade on the toothless Jack Russel brigade Ned or Murphy.

*edit this is the negative thread, thus the negative here is we know Keays up forward will work and there is is proof of concept, but of course we won't do it. We'll keep banging our heads against the wall with Ned and Murphy.

I wouldn’t call it a strange raging hard on for defensive pressure

It is one of our key weaknesses that teams transition from D50 to F50 easily against us ( this we are ranked 18th in league )

Good teams and prremiership teams are up the top of this rating

Thankfully Rankine is elite offensively and defensively and Pedlar has some ability to be good at it too

Hence Jimmy got delisted which was the right call

 

[FR0GGY]

That's a fair point, which games do you have as Bankable?

I was looking at the first 10 thinking if we played well and a bit of luck 5-5 shouldn't be out of the question. Could go 2 wins against GWS and Hawthorn.

Mind you, if we are only banking our 3rd win against WCE in Round 13 I cannot see Nick's survive.

Maybe we’ll do a saints and go back to Pyke or Sando

 

[GROTTO]

Maybe we’ll do a saints and go back to Pyke or Sando

 

[jackster83]

Post reported. Enjoy your ban.

 

[GROTTO]

Showing improvement will see us be in more games for longer. Whether we win them or just fall short, is another matter.

It's the regulation six goal losses where we try hard but never really threaten for the win that I want to see less of. Our percentage in 2022 showed we were still a fair way away from even being a middling side.

Definitely agree with this.

Its not necessarily about the wins or total number we get at the end of the year.

Last year in 2022, there was 10 games were we lost by ~5+ goals, where we stood really no chance of ever realistically winning it. This number definitely needs to be reduced in 2023 as a sign that we are progressing.

 

[GROTTO]

Post reported. Enjoy your ban.

This is a negative only thread. Craig reappointed would have this thread pumping.

 

[Wazzy36]

Hawks and the Saints.

Both teams which beat us well last year too.

Here are my thoughts on the first 10 games.

We last beat GWS away in 2014, they bat deep in their midfield and its an away game too, they beat us by 10+ goals last year.
Tigers gain two mids of Taranto and Hopper along with Dusty (missing last year vs us) for our game.
Port are 4-1 in the last 5 showdowns, I expect Port to beat us.
Fremantle have also developed into a much stronger and better side than the team that beat us in Round 1.
Carlton I felt approached the game expecting the win and took us very lightly. It definitely wont happen next year, they are expected to make the 8.
Hawks in Tassie, is no easy game, they have a solid record down there, not to mention they beat us by 5+ goals last year.
v Pies, they have a good record at AO and beat us last year at AO as well, the wet conditions helped us that day.
v Cats we are not beating the Cats at that shithole.
v Saints, we lost to them last year at AO by 3+ goals and if they kicked better should have won comfortably
v Dogs at Mars, we beat them last year, but always felt we caught them off guard when we rocked up and played very well that day.

Its not say we might not win a game or two, as anything is possible, given injuries, suspensions, weather, inaccurate kicking, however on the balance of probabilities I would have us at 2-8 or maybe 3-7 at best case scenario.

Would we be happy with 4 wins out this early draw? Gws, saints, hawks and one win out the rest. Even with the early home games that seems pretty difficult.

 

[FR0GGY]

Who is this?

 

[skittlebrew]

I wouldn’t call it a strange raging hard on for defensive pressure

It is one of our key weaknesses that teams transition from D50 to F50 easily against us ( this we are ranked 18th in league )

Good teams and prremiership teams are up the top of this rating

Thankfully Rankine is elite offensively and defensively and Pedlar has some ability to be good at it too

Hence Jimmy got delisted which was the right call

I would call it that. What is an offensive player's primary role? It's to score with defending a distant second. Likewise the inverse for defenders. Neither Ned or Murphy are natural goal kickers yet we continue to persist with them. Even the biggest Ned and Murph fan bois never hype up any offensive capabilities because it's blatantly obvious they have none, it's always their (alleged) defensive pressure.

Rachele with 5 goals on debut eclipses anything they have done. But of course we stripped the natural footballer out of Rachele and replaced his natural offensive game with more defending. Do you have to be great at defending if you're snagging 5 goals? That's a decent head start.

 

[dogs105]

Who is this?

He was a super coach. Helped get us two flags

 

[FR0GGY]

He was a super coach. Helped get us two flags

Doesn’t look like Malcom?

 

[cleanhands]

Doesn’t look like Malcom?

Malcolm

 

[dogs105]

Doesn’t look like Malcom?

Yeah, Malcolm helped too