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This was covered a week or two ago VicDock, link is below. Sheedy won't be at Essendon if they don't win a final, lets aim high if we are looking for a coach in three months time.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=325299&highlight=connolly
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=325299&highlight=connolly
The list of likely replacements is not awe inspiring. Like dom, if there was a wily old master available I'd say go for it. Otherwise I would not feel confident that anyone will actually improve on what Connolly is giving us, but it still may be time for a change.
I'm not sure that not making the finals would be the trigger to get rid of the coach. I would expect that we would need to be playing in the second week of the finals for him to be safe, or at the very least we would have to put in a fantastic final if we only played in week one. Regardless of the reasons for why we have not played well so far this year, most teams not playing well could rack up excuses.
I agree Gav, we need to win atleast one final for Connolly to deserve an extension. With players to return and the likes of Johnson, Black, Bell and Hasleby looking close to their best form we should be dangerous in September whether we finish the home and away season in 5th or 8th.
I have a bad feeling that the board would re-sign him if we have a competitive loss in an elimination final, it's the easiest option from their point of view.
I have a bad feeling that the board would re-sign him if we have a competitive loss in an elimination final, it's the easiest option from their point of view.
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How much are the odds on the Reverand and CC swapping teams?
Melbourne seem to have the same problems as us. They are sometimes found wanting when the physicality goes up a notch, and their form is inconsistent. Over the last few years there have been two Melbourne teams, just like at times we can't be sure if the "good" Fremantle are going to show up.
Daniher ---> Essendon
Sheedy ---> Fremantle
Connolly ---> Melbourne
Pagan ---> ?????????
Connolly would be perfect for a club that is desperate for members and sponsors. Although his fued with Caro could continue the problems he has had with the media in Perth.
BuffaloClub
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What is it with people? Why talk about a new coach when CC has as good if not better coaching record in his years at Freo as Eade, Laidley, Sheedy, and Thompson over the same years? Do we want to be like Richmond, coach swapping every three/four years as instability puts us in the wildernes for decades like the poor Tigers?
Unbelievable.
Unbelievable.
Because Connolly took over at a club laden with young talent. Most clubs have had to rebuild in the last six years but it has been realistic to expect improvement in each of the seasons since Connolly arrived. In 2004, 2005, and so far in 2007 we haven't improved. Our list is better than atleast six of the sides currently in the top eight.
Dom , list the young talent.
He basically started with PAV , Justin , Bellie (who took years to show his talent) & Haselby .
And a few GOP's like Matt Carr , Macca & Cookie.
And a few promoted rookies.
The current good (still overrated a bit) list is His work.
In the last 30 odd years only one first year coach lead a team to premiership. That's was Alan Joyce and even then he had a powerful Hawks Team who coached themself. Also, he had a couple of years coaching East Fremantle and spend alot of years in the football system.
I really think that our list has a few holes that really kill us ie clearances, depth and speed in the midfield, and no one able to play on the power forwards like Neitz, Hall, Brown, Rocca etc.
The biggest question for the Fremantle Dockers is not the coach but what do with the list. Do we draft young quick midfielders who may or may not make a differance or do we go again for a quick fix and trade?
I am no fan of Connelly but he is not the worst coach and can only see Sheedy making a differences. The best option we can do is get the best assistant coaches and maybe go for ex head coaches or a talent young coach like Voss.
I really think that our list has a few holes that really kill us ie clearances, depth and speed in the midfield, and no one able to play on the power forwards like Neitz, Hall, Brown, Rocca etc.
The biggest question for the Fremantle Dockers is not the coach but what do with the list. Do we draft young quick midfielders who may or may not make a differance or do we go again for a quick fix and trade?
I am no fan of Connelly but he is not the worst coach and can only see Sheedy making a differences. The best option we can do is get the best assistant coaches and maybe go for ex head coaches or a talent young coach like Voss.
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Maybe its because he is not doing the job that is expected of him well?
And BTW he is in his sixth season at Freo hardly changing coaches Richmond style.
If we make the finals, he should be given 2008 to prove that he can lead us back in the right direction towards a flag, if we make top four or higher (unlikely?) he is safe. If we miss out altogether I really think he should be moved on.
Fully agree with you Buffalo club - people who want him replaced need their heads read. CC is in the top three coaches in the AFL with an outstanding record and capability. The club should put the coach issue to bed and extend CC for another 6 years. This will allow him to have confidence in his position and re-build the side for a tilt at a top 4 and GF challenge in the next 4 to 5 years.
Interesting reading in the media over the last couple of weeks, where support
is starting to build from the likes of Hardy etc to have CC contract extended.
Regardless of where we finish, CC will the coach at Freo in 2008 and rightly so.
Rubbish Krustyman. The season still has 12 games to go and CC will peak them for a second half of the season run like last year.
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I never know whether you're serious or not but I'm starting to get the impression you're an eagle in disguise. Either that or you're a little insane. A 6 year contract? Yeah good one. CC isn't the worst coach in the league but there's no way he's in the top 3.
We shouldn't be in a position of having to rebuild to challenge for the top 4. We showed last season we have the cattle to press for a top finish we just need them to play to their potential every week.
That's something CC needs to prove he's capable of or we might be at the stage where we need to headhunt a proven performer. As much as I dislike him, someone like Malthouse is exactly what we need at the moment. A hard nosed coach who can squeeze every drop of talent out of a squad.
If we miss the finals there's no way CC deserves to be coaching next year. That would make it 2 finals series in 6 years and would mean we've gone backwards since last season. If we scrape into the finals I would support a one year extension for CC to prove himself, unless someone like Sheedy becomes available. Another barnstorming finish and CC should be safe.
A lot of people are expecting a great finish, I just hope the players are 'expecting' that too.
Daniher or Sheedy sounds good, though isn't Sheedy close to his 60s?
Daniher or Sheedy sounds good, though isn't Sheedy close to his 60s?
Probably overrating cuddles a bit there, just like our list is by some.
I seem to recall one centre bounce on Friday when Macca, M Carr and another (can't recall who but wasn't inspiring) were on the job. We are going nowhere in this competition with a combination like that. Our midfield overall and lack of effective (clean/creative) centre clearances is killing us, as that is one of the main times you could get to our gun forwards before the flood arrives.
I am very concerned by our midfield and don't see any young guns busting to get into the 22.
The credentialled coaches waiting in the wings are a bit thin on the ground.
I think Sheedy is past his use by date, Pagan... not so sure, he did have King Carey to base his team around. I agree that we need a coach with some mongrel (RESPECT). Most of the successful ones seem to have it Malthouse, Wussa, Matthews, Sheedy, Williams. I don't think Connolly commands that same level of respect and awe from the players.
Laidley seems to have really got the Roos playing for the club... he seems to have the sort of sprit that is successful (his squad is fairly average).
I think Sheedy is past his use by date, Pagan... not so sure, he did have King Carey to base his team around. I agree that we need a coach with some mongrel (RESPECT). Most of the successful ones seem to have it Malthouse, Wussa, Matthews, Sheedy, Williams. I don't think Connolly commands that same level of respect and awe from the players.
Laidley seems to have really got the Roos playing for the club... he seems to have the sort of sprit that is successful (his squad is fairly average).
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Purple Passion
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i think we should go with the Reverend, maybe we can unlock ....." The Daniher Code "
Thompson, Roos, and Craig. Also, having some mongrel doesn't mean that you will be successful. Ayres was the perfect example of that.
Less than 3 months ago Geelong was calling for Thompson to be sacked. Quite a few of their players too. Nobody would be suggesting Thompson gets the boot now. He has been at catland as long as Connolly, and I would rate Connolly a better coach. In the end what he has done is manage to get a bunch of perennial underachievers to click.
Absolutely not. Believe that CC has guided this club to be one of the power houses of the competion and we finally have respect. Can you remember the days before CC, we were a joke.
He is definetly in the top three coaches. His record proves it.
Longmuir
McPhee
McPharlin
Croad
Pavlich
Hasleby
Simmonds
Polak
Brown
Matt Carr
Grover
Hayden
Sandilands
Farmer
These guys were all under 25 and on our list when Connolly coached his first game, that's a huge list of young talent.
He has built a strong list, but it would have been hard not to. Connolly hasn't had quality players retire, which means each year we are bringing in young talent and not losing players out the other end. Of the guys that have finished up since he arrived, only Kicketty would get a run in our current side. That's where Rocket Eade is going to struggle, when West, Darcy, Johnson, Grant retire, plus Rohan Smith finished up last year. Worsfold had to deal with Jakovich, Kemp, McIntosh and both Matera's retiring. Connolly didn't have to deal with that, which means our list should have, and did, improve every year.
