wow... GT gets one right. Even Ross says that he is a career coach. Makes no bones or isn't ashamed to admit it. any why wouldn't anyone be a career coach? win/loss sucks... ure out the door. Regardless if you're GT, Lyon or even Rob Harvey.
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wow... GT gets one right. Even Ross says that he is a career coach. Makes no bones or isn't ashamed to admit it. any why wouldn't anyone be a career coach? win/loss sucks... ure out the door. Regardless if you're GT, Lyon or even Rob Harvey.
Not sure it will be his choice?
Career coach, what does that even mean?
Football has a habit of deciding their fate, not the coaches.
Say
Say what?
Career coach means that where he sees himself earning his money until he retires. He is not aligned to any club emotionally. Eade is a career coach... a gun for hire if you prefer. If the right senior job comes up... he'll jump.
Roos is not a career coach. He did it, succeeded now if he never coaches again, I doubt he'll care.
GT is not a career coach either... whether by choice or lack of demand... who knows?
As far as his comments go, it's as obvious as my kids telling me I am bald. pretty obvious to anyone except Stevie Wonder. But apart from a career coach thing, wtf would Grant know about Ross'or anyone's future plans?
Say
Say what?
Career coach means that where he sees himself earning his money until he retires. He is not aligned to any club emotionally. Eade is a career coach... a gun for hire if you prefer. If the right senior job comes up... he'll jump.
Roos is not a career coach. He did it, succeeded now if he never coaches again, I doubt he'll care.
GT is not a career coach either... whether by choice or lack of demand... who knows?
As far as his comments go, it's as obvious as my kids telling me I am bald. pretty obvious to anyone except Stevie Wonder. But apart from a career coach thing, wtf would Grant know about Ross'or anyone's future plans?
Yeah, I get that...
He sees himself earning money as a senior coach at AFL level until he retires.
My point is, good luck with that, but I can't see it happening.
pretty obvious that topping up compromised development. Happens at every club. Now it's easy to push this line of argument only to state the obvious.
The real issue IS the reason why a top up approach was undertaken. Critics of this policy are quick to condemn Lyon, but almost all of you to a person cannot answer this question... why?
We had a decent core as pointed out. So once again... you have 2 options. The first is to try and get a flag with this core. This involves building the team around them. IE: topping up as people refer to it.
The second is to just develop and recruit kids, which as anyone who has the slightest clue about footy will now that (a) they take a few years to develop and (b) they can turn out to be spuds.
In this case, you have to wait a few years by which time your senior core is getting too old.
So I will ask again... what direction would you have preferred at the time Lyon was appointed? Rebuild? Or top up which almost got us 2 flags???
I was happy with what he did, but I wasnt happy with what he didn't.
Armitage, Geary, Steven. They all clearly have the talent. Was their talent developed in an optimal manner?
I do not believe that the club focussing on finals precluded the development of these players.
I don't see how focusing on drafting is synonymous with rebuilding. And topping up is hardly the reason why we made two grand finals. Collingwood showed in 2010 that you can play youngsters even if you're a premiership contender, that's what made the difference between us and them on the day.pretty obvious that topping up compromised development. Happens at every club. Now it's easy to push this line of argument only to state the obvious.
The real issue IS the reason why a top up approach was undertaken. Critics of this policy are quick to condemn Lyon, but almost all of you to a person cannot answer this question... why?
We had a decent core as pointed out. So once again... you have 2 options. The first is to try and get a flag with this core. This involves building the team around them. IE: topping up as people refer to it.
The second is to just develop and recruit kids, which as anyone who has the slightest clue about footy will now that (a) they take a few years to develop and (b) they can turn out to be spuds.
In this case, you have to wait a few years by which time your senior core is getting too old.
So I will ask again... what direction would you have preferred at the time Lyon was appointed? Rebuild? Or top up which almost got us 2 flags???
Quite frankly, it had everything to do with their structure and our (read: Lyon's) reluctance to play anyone who hadn't proven their worth in the desired tactical perspective as well as being physically tough enough. We all know, especially after his interview with Sheahan, that Baker should never have been played due to injury. The reason he was played was what else he could provide and what was valued at the time.I don't see how focusing on drafting is synonymous with rebuilding. And topping up is hardly the reason why we made two grand finals. Collingwood showed in 2010 that you can play youngsters even if you're a premiership contender, that's what made the difference between us and them on the day.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...llenge-to-saints/story-e6frg6n6-1226537193188
Watters issues 'the challenge' to Saints
(on Hayes) "I watched him at a training session today and marvelled at his ability - his one-touch football, the balls coming at him at full pace and the half-volleys. His ball use (is) as exquisite as it normally is,"
"But the challenge is going back to Lenny this year to put his hand up for the leadership group."
... you can hear the urgency in Watters' voice.
"We have spoken about how it is easy to become conditioned to acceptable levels of performance."
"It is about them individually challenging themselves daily and as a team, and choosing their own destiny rather than listening to others."
"Our list is definitely progressing ... it's a work in progress, but with the players we have brought in we feel there is a starting point for a real foundation which complements our senior players."
Bottom line: St Kilda won't be falling back on Raph Clarke and his ilk if injuries hit this year. (ahhh ... thanks Ralphy )
"Kosi is no different to any player on the list. I am not one that selects on emotion. Players effectively select themselves. Those who are physically prepared and absolutely exhaust every avenue over summer are the ones who show good pre-season form, and they ultimately find their way into the Round 1 side."
(on Roo & captaincy) "We have had some brief discussions but nothing massive yet. We will cross that bridge in January, but what I thought was a real bonus for the club last year was the way Nick led."
Quite frankly, it had everything to do with their structure and our (read: Lyon's) reluctance to play anyone who hadn't proven their worth in the desired tactical perspective as well as being physically tough enough. We all know, especially after his interview with Sheahan, that Baker should never have been played due to injury. The reason he was played was what else he could provide and what was valued at the time.
As stated, our game style under Lyon had everyone bamboozled until such time that any particular team could break it down and minimise its effect. It certainly didn't help that we kicked something like 1 12 up until half-time against them in perfect weather.
Collingwood maximised the effect of having a large number of talented 'unknown quantitites' as far as we were concerned. We had a large number of talented 'known quantities' as far as they were concerned, who didn't/couldn't execute while they were able-bodied, let alone when it counted.
It may not be everyone's cup of tea, but to get an idea of how much formation and initiative comes into play and how those aspects are being adopted by various clubs, I challenge anyone to play a recent (post 2009) edition of Football Manager and create a game style from scratch (without milking any known glitches or deficiencies within the game). The sport, in real life, being 'soft' or not has no bearing on your outcomes, only your decisions do. Everyone wants to be the first applying hindsight and declaring the supposedly correct way of doing things if they had their way. Armchair critics with no experience... are just that.
Imagine you're in the final of the Champions' League but your best striker has just returned from injury and really isn't physically capable of performing. Any amount of money says that you as a 'manager' will take that striker as a matter of personal loyalty and subjective projection of possible outcome. There's a very good reason that Sheedy (hugely talented list across the board) has been in talks with Alex Ferguson after Malthouse's declaration of adopting a 'manager' role.
Sometimes you're a manager who has no actual say regarding 'cattle', yet has every say on game day. The NFL is a perfect example of what it is to be a coach in the same manner. The AFL already has the equivalent of both Defensive or Offensive Co-ordinators. We just call them Midfield coaches (eg. Robert Harvey, Dean Laidley) etc.
Topping up is another way of saying 'hey coach, if this is the sort of player you need (read: another versatile back flanker or defensive forward) we'll get the best one we can find at short notice and you can use them to your own end. Sometimes the board force their hand and you no longer have a stalwart of your system, as Watters has had to experience through the Goddard fiasco.
Sydney currently have the oldest list, however they just won a premiership. Age is irrelevant. Man management both mentally and physically is king, and one slip can cause an irrepairable rift or consideration of a managerial perspective.
To be a 'career coach' is to build a system based on what is available to you regardless of overall ability. Ross Lyon played for Fitzroy. Did he go out and declare he wanted to be coach of Brisbane? Why did both Lyon and Roos find Sydney a more viable option to ply their trade? Was it because his father played a tiny number of games for South Melbourne? Why did Lyon select Elshaug as a member of his coaching staff even though he had no prior link to St.Kilda whatsoever?
Too many pretend they're reading between the lines and thinking macro when they're really thinking micro. These are opinion bases that don't deserve the time of day. Pretension is an individual curse, unfortunately fostered by the media and lapped up by the mentally weak.
Love Watters focus and what he is trying to get from all players.
The competition for all places at the Saints this year will be intense. If he is selecting them on form and endeavour, we are in for an exciting year.
Too many role players.
You just can't justify that all of Dempster/Mini/Eddy/Jones were required for lockdown?
Couple that with Ross pushing numbers back.
4 run with players
v
0 run with players...
+ goodness knows how many defenders and numbers behind the ball.
Clearly I overate the capacity of some of our guys to win a one on one battle?
Scott doesn't, see Joey/Dal/Fisher/BJ etc and how they were used this year...and how he was consistent in his message that our guys had lost the ability to play one on one.
I don't think it's too much to ask someone to concentrate on their direct opponent, and I'm looking forward to how that shapes out.
I don't want to hear 'but we didn't make finals this year' as some excuse to justify why Scotts way isn't as good, it's simply difference, and he deserves time to prove himself.
Too many role players.
You just can't justify that all of Dempster/Mini/Eddy/Jones were required for lockdown?
Couple that with Ross pushing numbers back.
4 run with players
v
0 run with players...
+ goodness knows how many defenders and numbers behind the ball.
Clearly I overate the capacity of some of our guys to win a one on one battle?
Scott doesn't, see Joey/Dal/Fisher/BJ etc and how they were used this year...and how he was consistent in his message that our guys had lost the ability to play one on one.
I don't think it's too much to ask someone to concentrate on their direct opponent, and I'm looking forward to how that shapes out.
I don't want to hear 'but we didn't make finals this year' as some excuse to justify why Scotts way isn't as good, it's simply difference, and he deserves time to prove himself.