Coach New direction

[jonmacTrag]

Most of us here can remember the close call MM had about 9 years into his tenure when the board wanted him gone. Eddie stood up to them and turned that around on the proviso that MM be forced to get serious about the ruck and following division.
A couple of years later and boom FLAG.
I'm thinking it's time for the board to move again, too many things are slightly out of kilter which add up to a sh1tstorm of fckups during a season.

1. Time to stop living in the past, the midfield - despite it's reputation - is a bigger source of worry to me than the forwards. On paper we should thrash sides but the center bounce clearances are horrific.
2. The forwards are never going to work ad hoc as has been the case for a while now. We need a couple of genuine forward threats that don't rely too much on delivery.
3. Too little faith shown in young players making their way up - as a club we need that progression of players and some have simply stagnated.
4. Too much faith shown in fringe players who are simply not going to make it. This makes our bottom 6 much worse than the top 4 teams of any season.
5. As for team coaching direction and tactics, that is simply too complex for me to comment on but none of us are pleased with the present arrangements.
6. I keep banging on about this but FFS we need specialist ruck and kicking coaches. How many season's before the club admits their penny pinching in this regard is costing the team premiership chances?
7. Derek needs a clearer directive in recruitment targets, topping up with ex champs is not working - time to invest in healthy, durable and proven talent.

Whatever you think of Buckley we have another year with his services but it's time for the board to step in NOW.

Clear direction from the top with performance triggers for all concerned from the pres down to the bootstudder.

 

[TradeDraft]

No Big Changes will happen with Eddie in Chrage

 

[Carringbush2010]

Most of us here can remember the close call MM had about 9 years into his tenure when the board wanted him gone. Eddie stood up to them and turned that around on the proviso that MM be forced to get serious about the ruck and following division.
A couple of years later and boom FLAG.
I'm thinking it's time for the board to move again, too many things are slightly out of kilter which add up to a sh1tstorm of fckups during a season.

1. Time to stop living in the past, the midfield - despite it's reputation - is a bigger source of worry to me than the forwards. On paper we should thrash sides but the center bounce clearances are horrific.
2. The forwards are never going to work ad hoc as has been the case for a while now. We need a couple of genuine forward threats that don't rely too much on delivery.
3. Too little faith shown in young players making their way up - as a club we need that progression of players and some have simply stagnated.
4. Too much faith shown in fringe players who are simply not going to make it. This makes our bottom 6 much worse than the top 4 teams of any season.
5. As for team coaching direction and tactics, that is simply too complex for me to comment on but none of us are pleased with the present arrangements.
6. I keep banging on about this but FFS we need specialist ruck and kicking coaches. How many season's before the club admits their penny pinching in this regard is costing the team premiership chances?
7. Derek needs a clearer directive in recruitment targets, topping up with ex champs is not working - time to invest in healthy, durable and proven talent.

Whatever you think of Buckley we have another year with his services but it's time for the board to step in NOW.

Clear direction from the top with performance triggers for all concerned from the pres down to the bootstudder.

Que in the 'yo NOT a coLLINwud SUportA, P155 orF'. Constructive criticism doesn't belong around here mate.

 

[jonmacTrag]

Que in the 'yo NOT a coLLINwud SUportA, P155 orF'. Constructive criticism doesn't belong around here mate.

I am actually a strong believer in both Bucks and the club and I truly believe we aren't in terrible shape overall but direction seems lacking as the club drifts from year to year with no clear policy in many areas.
This has to come from the top and many will say - Hang Eddie - or lynch the board.
But in reality direction needs to come from the membership. Just as the AFL should be answerable to their constituent clubs so our board should be answerable to the members.
Neither is the case and football as a game and this club in particular are suffering for the lack of accountability.
I am neither young enough or healthy enough to participate but those who love the club and have the time could do nothing more positive for the club than to become involved directly.
For too long this club has drifted away from our core principles of equality and connection with the community.
The supporter base has become somewhat disaffected with the corporatization of many aspects of the club and the AFL community as a whole - there is a growing disconnect between the inner club workings and the members - very much to the detriment to the health and the culture of the club IMHO.
Change is necessary and the longer it is delayed the harsher the consequences.

 

[jathanas]

Firstly, thanks for not making this thread another roast.

I agree with your basic premise Jon. I don't view the situation as dire as others do but I do believe that the club needs to make some "hard calls".

We need to get Bucks the coaching assistants he needs and not to let him continue with the ones he wants.

We also need to fill a few holes in what is otherwise a very promising playing list.

The club is working harder to be a corporate darling and in doing so is moving away from its historical values, but that is the way of the world. The club is moving in line with every other club and the AFL in general.

 

[TradeDraft]

Firstly, thanks for not making this thread another roast.

I agree with your basic premise Jon. I don't view the situation as dire as others do but I do believe that the club needs to make some "hard calls".

We need to get Bucks the coaching assistants he needs and not to let him continue with the ones he wants.

We also need to fill a few holes in what is otherwise a very promising playing list.

The club is working harder to be a corporate darling and in doing so is moving away from its historical values, but that is the way of the world. The club is moving in line with every other club and the AFL in general.

We got Bucks the Assistants and 1 left for Freo as Head Coach and Sacked the Other and we where back to where we begin

 

[upnsmoke]

You cant don major changes unless you want the team to go mingle with bottom 4 teams.

The Pies when healthy and playing their "normal" can beat any team and is a top 5 team.

Look at Richmond, prior to 2017, they looked like they were on the path to mediocrity... but injection of some young bloods with the established core got them over the hump. Pies are in that situation also.

The Pies need to improve their mid-field at least the followers, you need hard ball getters who are explosive and strong off a bounce to get those clearance out and on the attack.


The Pies defensive lineup of Howe, Moore, Maynard, Roughhead and fillers are one of the best if not the best in the league... look at the numbers.

The Pies have a skilled forward line but the ball delivery from mid-field is inefficient and misdirected a lot of times. Cox is critical but a secondary KPF would not only help Cox out, but would help out the smaller forwards. Need that big bruising KPF who crashes into defenders and take them to ground where the smaller forwards can then pick up the ball to attack. Look at how Darling does it and Hawkins too. Even Dangerfield who has packed on huge upper body muscle has now become a forward tank who bombs into defenders.... Pies dont have that and its critical to free up the smaller players.

The Pies are capped out salary wise however so they do need to consider some high paid players as trade bait and as sunk losses.

 

[Markfs]

Most of us here can remember the close call MM had about 9 years into his tenure when the board wanted him gone. Eddie stood up to them and turned that around on the proviso that MM be forced to get serious about the ruck and following division.
A couple of years later and boom FLAG.
I'm thinking it's time for the board to move again, too many things are slightly out of kilter which add up to a sh1tstorm of fckups during a season.

1. Time to stop living in the past, the midfield - despite it's reputation - is a bigger source of worry to me than the forwards. On paper we should thrash sides but the center bounce clearances are horrific.
2. The forwards are never going to work ad hoc as has been the case for a while now. We need a couple of genuine forward threats that don't rely too much on delivery.
3. Too little faith shown in young players making their way up - as a club we need that progression of players and some have simply stagnated.
4. Too much faith shown in fringe players who are simply not going to make it. This makes our bottom 6 much worse than the top 4 teams of any season.
5. As for team coaching direction and tactics, that is simply too complex for me to comment on but none of us are pleased with the present arrangements.
6. I keep banging on about this but FFS we need specialist ruck and kicking coaches. How many season's before the club admits their penny pinching in this regard is costing the team premiership chances?
7. Derek needs a clearer directive in recruitment targets, topping up with ex champs is not working - time to invest in healthy, durable and proven talent.

Whatever you think of Buckley we have another year with his services but it's time for the board to step in NOW.

Clear direction from the top with performance triggers for all concerned from the pres down to the bootstudder.

on paper we should thrash sides and we need to convince gil to play on paper
we need a couple of genuine forwards but we dont have high draft picks and we dont have the salary to spend
too little faith in younger players who are given chances but dont play consistently
fringe players arent going to make it so we need better fringe players but cant draft or trade for them
fans arent pleased with coaching so board should appoint coach who has appealing tactics
we should spend money on ruck coaches and sack other other coaches
hine should draft healthy proven 17 year old talent

 

[YouBeauty]

Agree with midfield being the biggest source of concern. Has been getting beaten for over 12 months now. The prelim should have been the alarm bell. We adjust way too slowly.

 

[jonmacTrag]

Firstly, thanks for not making this thread another roast.

I agree with your basic premise Jon. I don't view the situation as dire as others do but I do believe that the club needs to make some "hard calls".

We need to get Bucks the coaching assistants he needs and not to let him continue with the ones he wants.

We also need to fill a few holes in what is otherwise a very promising playing list.

The club is working harder to be a corporate darling and in doing so is moving away from its historical values, but that is the way of the world. The club is moving in line with every other club and the AFL in general.

Well we basically both seem to feel the club is not in diabolicals but from there we differ a bit which is fine.
Just need to refocus.
Not sure how you construe this to be a roast thread, I do believe some things need adjusting but hardly calling for heads.

 

[jonmacTrag]

on paper we should thrash sides and we need to convince gil to play on paper
we need a couple of genuine forwards but we dont have high draft picks and we dont have the salary to spend
too little faith in younger players who are given chances but dont play consistently
fringe players arent going to make it so we need better fringe players but cant draft or trade for them
fans arent pleased with coaching so board should appoint coach who has appealing tactics
we should spend money on ruck coaches and sack other other coaches
hine should draft healthy proven 17 year old talent

I love the way you twist posts mark you strike me as both a born debater who actually believes they mean something and a counterpuncher.

 

[Markfs]

I love the way you twist posts mark you strike me as both a born debater who actually believes they mean something and a counterpuncher.

i just read what you wrote and typed accordingly. you can ignore me if you like, many have, but i like to see something that's possible. calling for new players means drafting or trading. how to do that with salary cap probs? sell de goey? but in the spirit of today let me have my wish list.


we need to recruit superstars. we need to draft first round picks. we need to get all the best coaches. we need to try to win all the finals we play in. I think that should work

 

[Markfs]

Agree with midfield being the biggest source of concern. Has been getting beaten for over 12 months now. The prelim should have been the alarm bell. We adjust way too slowly.

i thought our lack of scoring was the biggest source of concern.

 

[Ron]

You would think with a midfield of Grundy, Pendles, Adams, Sidey, Treloar, with a few others going through there, that you would at least break even in the centre clearances.
Yet time and time again we get smashed in there, it is infuriating to watch.
The players for some reason on the rare times they get the ball first want to have a perfect clearance instead of just getting it forward and they screw it up.

Massive changes needed in the centre square work for next year.

 

[jathanas]

Well we basically both seem to feel the club is not in diabolicals but from there we differ a bit which is fine.
Just need to refocus.
Not sure how you construe this to be a roast thread, I do believe some things need adjusting but hardly calling for heads.

Quite the contrary mate, I thanked you for not making this a roast thread (due to an existing abundance of them).

 

[TradeDraft]

You would think with a midfield of Grundy, Pendles, Adams, Sidey, Treloar, with a few others going through there, that you would at least break even in the centre clearances.
Yet time and time again we get smashed in there, it is infuriating to watch.
The players for some reason on the rare times they get the ball first want to have a perfect clearance instead of just getting it forward and they screw it up.

Massive changes needed in the centre square work for next year.

and Massive Changes in the Coaching Box

 

[SnakePlisskin]

i thought our lack of scoring was the biggest source of concern.

Which comes from midfield delivery.

 

[BEEG]

The team knows how to defend time to become more attacking.

Move it through the middle.

 

[YouBeauty]

i thought our lack of scoring was the biggest source of concern.

Which relies upon....... You finish the sentence you're the smart ass campaigner

 

[Markfs]

Which relies upon....... You finish the sentence you're the smart ass campaigner

people kicking goals?

 

[Markfs]

Which comes from midfield delivery.

well then sell moore and a few others and get the best midfielders... is de goey a midfielder? if not, we should focus more on the midfield...same with jamie. Maybe we're straining the salary cap because of non-mid fielders and thats the problem

 

[jonmacTrag]

Quite the contrary mate, I thanked you for not making this a roast thread (due to an existing abundance of them).

Oops sorry misconstrued - I had been working flat out all morning and just sat down for a breather.
And yes always at this time the frayed tempers spill over - I try to keep from responding as I feel the same pain.

 

[Bungeye]

We need Cox to become our goal kicking coach!

 

[jonmacTrag]

i just read what you wrote and typed accordingly. you can ignore me if you like, many have, but i like to see something that's possible. calling for new players means drafting or trading. how to do that with salary cap probs? sell de goey? but in the spirit of today let me have my wish list.


we need to recruit superstars. we need to draft first round picks. we need to get all the best coaches. we need to try to win all the finals we play in. I think that should work

Mark mate peace - I don't share your particular attitudes but you are a fellow pies supporter in as much pain as me.

 

[TW Sherrin]

Is Al Clarskon busy?