New foxtel cup qualification is needed.

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Have all the teams from the SANFL/VFL/WAFL plus the premier of the NEAFL (32 teams).

8 groups of 4. Each group plays the other in their group (3 rounds). Top of each group goes through to knockout stage (8 teams QF > 4 teams SF > 2 teams GF).

That would require 6 weeks at the start of the season. Perhaps a more meaningful competition where all focus is on the Foxtel Cup before the State Leagues get under way.

In the SANFL/WAFL case with 9 clubs, reduce the season to home and away fixture only making 18 rounds (16 games plus 2 byes). Include a State Game in there. Then finals.
 
glengowan said:
Have all the teams from the SANFL/VFL/WAFL plus the premier of the NEAFL (32 teams).

8 groups of 4. Each group plays the other in their group (3 rounds). Top of each group goes through to knockout stage (8 teams QF > 4 teams SF > 2 teams GF).

That would require 6 weeks at the start of the season. Perhaps a more meaningful competition where all focus is on the Foxtel Cup before the State Leagues get under way.

In the SANFL/WAFL case with 9 clubs, reduce the season to home and away fixture only making 18 rounds (16 games plus 2 byes). Include a State Game in there. Then finals.
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After watching Morningside (who is sitting last on the QAFL Table with only 1 win) defeating Port Adelaide away in Adelaide. It seems that the SANFL is obviously not up to the standard of the QAFL.

I would agree that all VFL/WAFL/QAFL teams are included into the Foxtel cup and the Premiers of the "Lesser Leagues" SANFL/TFL/ACT NSW AFL can fight it out.

Then the winner of the lesser leagues goes on and qualifies into the list of 32 teams from Victoria,Western Australia and Queesland , where it is then drawn into 8 pools consisting of 4 Teams.
 
The_Sherrin said:
After watching Morningside (who is sitting last on the QAFL Table with only 1 win) defeating Port Adelaide away in Adelaide. It seems that the SANFL is obviously not up to the standard of the QAFL.

I would agree that all VFL/WAFL/QAFL teams are included into the Foxtel cup and the Premiers of the "Lesser Leagues" SANFL/TFL/ACT NSW AFL can fight it out.

Then the winner of the lesser leagues goes on and qualifies into the list of 32 teams from Victoria,Western Australia and Queesland , where it is then drawn into 8 pools consisting of 4 Teams.
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As much as QLD footy is progressing nicely, nobody up here suggests that the NEAFL Nth Conf. is to the standard (or even very close) to the SANFL. Port rested 12 top liners yesterday, morningside probably about 5-6. Both teams at full strength and Port would win comfortably. In fact, if the attitude for Port was better yesterday they would have won. Morningside are re-building and have not won a game against a NTH Conference team in the 1st half of the season (the 1 win was against an ACT team in a cross-conference game). The spoon up here for the Panthers is likely.

Yesterdays foxtel cup game, coupled with the QLD 18's beating WA, and the NTH Conference winning the state game last week by 145 points (and last year going well against WAFL) suggests that QLD teams deserve to be in the foxtel cup in the current format and deserve state games against the powerhouses of the SANFL,WAFL, VFL.

The good thing for footy up here is now quality players are attracted to playing here, because its a good standard comp and a good climate. Theres a genuine AFL pathway with the Suns so the best local talent can stay (5-10 years ago a lot of the best talent had to go South).

Just need the economy to get a bit better, as some clubs are battling a bit financially and clubs are losing players to the mines for employment.
 

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from - http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/a/-/wafl/14010945/night-games-in-cup-revamp/


Eight teams will play on Tuesday nights for a $100,000 first prize in a dramatic overhaul proposed for the Foxtel Cup next year.
Increasing the prize money and halving the number of teams are being considered as key solutions to the lopsided matches that have marred the national second-tier competition.
And while the AFL is committed to retaining the Foxtel Cup until 2016, it is poised to introduce significant changes to make it more competitive and attractive.
AFL second-tier manager Simon Laughton agreed that playing on Tuesday nights, rather than as AFL curtain-raisers early on Saturdays, could significantly boost ratings and club profiles.
"We see it starting to build a profile and being an integral part of the State league pathway but it is a matter of finding the right balance," Laughton said.
"The questions are: who is in it, how many games are there and when are they played?
"There are probably one too many rounds so we might go back to eight teams with perhaps qualifiers for the emerging States."
The new schedule would mirror the historic national competitions such as the Escort Cup that pitted State league teams against each other on weekdays.
Under the new plan, it is likely the grand final teams from the WAFL, VFL and SANFL would be invited to take part, with two other teams from the emerging States.
It would remain a knockout competition but the premiers would only have to win three matches to receive the purse.
Laughton said last year's ratings showed about 50,000 people watched each game, before slipping to between 20,000 and 35,000 this year as Foxtel took up its commitment to show nine live AFL matches every week.
"We need to find a time to maximise rating and exposure for clubs," he said. "We will explore all options including midweek games."
The vast gap between the best WAFL and VFL teams and the minnows from other State leagues was emphasised last Saturday when Mt Gravatt were held scoreless until the third quarter of their match against Claremont.
Mt Gravatt are second last in the northern conference of the North East Australia Football League, which involves nine Queensland teams and the NT Thunder.
But NEAFL bottom team Morningside upset all expectations by advancing to a semifinal next month after beating Launceston and Port Adelaide.
None of last year's SANFL finalists agreed to take part this season, while replacement West Adelaide selected a novice team, including nine debutants, when they were beaten by 101 points by Claremont in their first-round match.
Claremont will host a semifinal at Patersons Stadium next month against the winner of the South Adelaide-Port Melbourne match at the MCG tomorrow.
The Foxtel Cup winner receives $60,000, while $35,000 goes to the runner-up.
 
I have doubts that type of scheduling would appeal to clubs, even with more prize money.
In SA at least they have become too attached to having byes and even if playing the tuesday of a bye weekend, they would complain about having an abbreviated preparation for their next league match.
 
The Tuesday night does seem an obstacle. You've already raised the prospect of a team playing Tuesday then having to front up the following weekend in best case scenario.

This is made worse if you're the team that travelled interstate for the game!

Players may also struggle to get time off work to travel for midweek games - weekend games would have much less impact on players lives.

Also would AFL listed players be able to travel for a Tuesday game as this would interupt their training schedule?
 
It used to be done in the 70s and 80s, but times have changed of course.
As you mention, there's the potential complication of AFL listed player participation.
I think the clubs would prefer a pre-season comp, but that probably wouldn't work for tv like the organisers want.
 
I can understand the reasoning, but it will be a kick in the teeth for the clubs in smaller leagues to not get into the cup proper if the numbers are reduced.
As for midweek games, I just don't see clubs going along with it. Or players employers. In the 70s and 80s it was probably easier for those involved in midweek games to get the time off because SANFL and WAFL clubs; and players; were very high profile in their states. That isn't the case now.
 
So with 6 of the 8 spots in the proposed system already delegated, and the organiser flagging the possibility of qualifying stages for the other 2 spaces, which leagues should be given berths to those preliminary matches (and how many prelim teams should there be in total)?
Based on the advice of this thread, I would suggest the premiers from the O&M, the Sydney AFL, the NEAFL Overall (After all, the North and East premiers already meet in the GF), and the TSL, in two arbitrary knock-out matches, and the two winners advancing to the QF's. That makes 9 matches of the Foxtel Cup, as opposed to the original 15.

And assuming that all of the leagues in that Prelim stage are in Eastern States, is it advisable to fixture the tournament based on geographical relationships, so as to minimise travel time/costs? For example:

(P = Premier, R = Runner-Up)

QUARTER-FINALS..........SEMI-FINALS............GRAND FINAL
WAFL P v SANFL R ╗
..........................╠ WINNER v WINNER ╗
SANFL P v WAFL R ╝...........................║
.......................................................╠ WINNER v WINNER
VFL P v QUALIFIER ╗...........................║
..........................╠ WINNER v WINNER ╝
QUALIFIER v VFL R ╝

It prevents a Grand Final between two teams from the same league, but it also prevents a SA team from meeting a WA team in the GF, which could prevent some quality match-ups.

But that's just my first concepts. What do you reckon?
 
The smaller states should play as state teams, just like the old Escort Cup. The premiers of these states will NEVER bridge the gap in standard, and this is the only chance for a competitive match if you're going to bother with this pointless comp at all! Mind you, the old VFL teams who drew a state team elimination match in the old days used to set some scoring records, so hopefully we wouldn't see a repeat to that extent.
 
Gibbke said:
The smaller states should play as state teams, just like the old Escort Cup.
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If it's done that way, I would choose Rep Teams of the NEAFL North v NEAFL East, and a TSL Rep team versus the Victorian Country Champion (the tournament between VCFL Rep teams).

I'm not sure if the Metro Leagues have a higher standard than the Country leagues, but A) The Metro area is represented by the VFL, and B) I follow a Ballarat team, so stuff 'em. :p
 
Would you accept an 8 team comp?
Round robin format?

GROUP 1
VFL
TSL
NEAFL NTH
NEAFL EAST

Group 2
WAFL
SANFL
NT
???


Can't figure out the final team, but, set up as such would limit travel up until finals

1st in group 1 plays 2nd group 2
1st in group 2 plays 2nd group 1

Surely it'd be a better standard, and you'd be more likely to get the SANFL premier participating

Even 6 team (premier of NEAFL) with top teams playing in the grand final
 

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