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New Hawks deal fury

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February 10, 2007 12:00am
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FRESH doubts have been raised over the value for money the $15 million Hawthorn football sponsorship deal will deliver Tasmanian taxpayers.

The AFL television rights deal announced this week will see at least three of the five matches played at Launceston's Aurora Stadium broadcast on pay TV.

Opposition deputy leader Jeremy Rockliff said this would drastically reduce the potential TV audience that could see the Tasmanian logos.

He said there were serious concerns about the value of the controversial deal Premier Paul Lennon negotiated last year.

Mr Rockliff said the Government had talked up the benefits of Tasmania being promoted on a national stage through television coverage of Hawthorn's matches.

"It is therefore extremely disappointing that so few of Hawthorn's matches will be broadcast free-to-air, according to the schedule released to date.

"Hawthorn talked up the benefits that would accrue from its total live-game television audience of 13.5 million viewers (both free to air and Fox footy)."

Mr Rockliff demanded the Government explain whether it expected so many Hawks games to be on pay TV before it committed taxpayers' money.

Community Development Minister Michelle O'Byrne did not address the question and instead attacked the Opposition for "whining".

She said the Opposition had again shown it did not support AFL football in Tasmania.

"Every Hawks jumper will carry the name Tasmania, and there will be promotional signage at all Hawthorn's home games in Melbourne and Launceston," she said.

"At every game Hawthorn plays, including its home games at the MCG, Tasmania will be promoted, and every game they play in 2007 will be broadcast."

Ms O'Byrne said every game played in Launceston would bring visitors who would help fill hotels and motels and boost the local economy.

"Mr Rockliff needs to explain to Tasmanians why he and his Liberal colleagues are so opposed to Tasmania being van integral part of Australian rules sporting culture," she said.

The deal, which Mr Lennon and Hawthorn president Jeff Kennett discussed over a couple of rounds of golf, has attracted criticism since it was announced in September.

Outspoken Labor MLC Terry Martin threatened to quit the party over the deal, miffed that the money was not spent on affordable housing.

And late last year, the union representing child-protection workers released a flyer urging Hawks fans to return the favour and sponsor an abused or neglected Tasmanian child.
Really wish both sides of Tasmanian parliament would stop their bickering in regards to this matter and got on board the Hawks bandwagon. ;)
 

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Really wish both sides of Tasmanian parliament would stop their bickering in regards to this matter and got on board the Hawks bandwagon. ;)

Meh, politicians - get used to it, because it will never stop.
And, if the government is voted out, watch them turn and criticise the arrangement, while the Liberals then support it.

The most important part of the Tasmanian deal is to get mainlanders to travel to Tasmania, to stay there, and to spend money doing it. It is for that reason that they wanted to have more Victorian teams playing against us.


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Just another day in the lives of politicians. This article doesn't concern me one iota.
But it should.

It can't be a good thing if the opposition and media and other stakeholders start questioning the value of this deal.

Further we should want our sponsors to get max value for sponsoring HFC and that cannot happen if we only get 8 games on FTA - especially when you compare it to what other clubs get.
 

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But it should.

It can't be a good thing if the opposition and media and other stakeholders start questioning the value of this deal.

Further we should want our sponsors to get max value for sponsoring HFC and that cannot happen if we only get 8 games on FTA - especially when you compare it to what other clubs get.
The general public couldn't care less what politicians say. Let them bicker - that's all they are good at.
 

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The general public couldn't care less what politicians say. Let them bicker - that's all they are good at.
Lennons also getting heat from his own party as well as unions and other stakeholders over the value of this deal - it is naive to suggest this isn't a problem.

I don't remember any other instance where a clubs sponsor was questioned regarding the value they got over their sponsorship.

And as I said thats only part of the issue, the other part is that because we only get 8 games on FTA tv we cannot give sponsors the same value as other clubs with more games can.

But of course frank, you don't care about that either I suppose.
 

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Couldnt give a ******** what our opposition think even if they arent as dodgy as Lennon.

We will still get lots of value out of the deal. Tourism, exposure in Melbourne live and anywhere around the world a Hawthorn game is broadcast.

Its got enough support, the libs are just riding the "government waste money bandwagon. But if it means we get footy, no worries. :thumbsu:
 
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But it should.

It can't be a good thing if the opposition and media and other stakeholders start questioning the value of this deal.

Further we should want our sponsors to get max value for sponsoring HFC and that cannot happen if we only get 8 games on FTA - especially when you compare it to what other clubs get.

Still at it mate? :rolleyes:

How are Don, Michael and the other members of Operation Recovery? Still putting your challenge together for the next AGM?


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Still at it mate? :rolleyes:

How are Don, Michael and the other members of Operation Recovery? Still putting your challenge together for the next AGM?


LH86

I dont know why you keep calling me mate - it is pretty obvious I am not a mate of yours.:rolleyes:

As far as your comments regarding operation recovery they are as accurate as the rest of your posts on this issue.

Again as I say do some analysis before you post.

As I have said before I admire don scott but I probably wouldn't vote for him.
 
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13 games in Melbourne. 4 home games in a big country town in a stadium with a low crowd capacity. Approx 2 out of 9 fta games when we play interstate. Melbourne supporters have been seriously done over and it is about time supporters wake up and see what is happening to the club.

It wasn't that long ago when we played 17 games in Melbourne and the emphasis of the then Dicker board was to play as many Saturday arvo games as possible. I can't believe our club has come to this and especially as it is all so unneccesary.

Someone posed on another thread what the anti-tassie supporters alternatives were. That is easy - stay in Melbourne and concentrate on building up membership in the massively expanding south-east region. Our finances didn't demand that we had to take up the tassie option. In fact our finances were/are in excellent shape and considering our poor onfield performances for a number years we have done exceptionally well.

We have now seriously compromised our ability to expand our Melbourne based membership. The new 7/10/foxtel agreement just compounds the issue.

Our brand and identity has been diluted and now the tassie pollies are arguing over the merits of our sponsorship.

Jeff, it's another fine mess you've got us into.
 

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13 games in Melbourne. 4 home games in a big country town in a stadium with a low crowd capacity. Approx 2 out of 9 fta games when we play interstate. Melbourne supporters have been seriously done over and it is about time supporters wake up and see what is happening to the club.

It wasn't that long ago when we played 17 games in Melbourne and the emphasis of the then Dicker board was to play as many Saturday arvo games as possible. I can't believe our club has come to this and especially as it is all so unneccesary.

Someone posed on another thread what the anti-tassie supporters alternatives were. That is easy - stay in Melbourne and concentrate on building up membership in the massively expanding south-east region. Our finances didn't demand that we had to take up the tassie option. In fact our finances were/are in excellent shape and considering our poor onfield performances for a number years we have done exceptionally well.

We have now seriously compromised our ability to expand our Melbourne based membership. The new 7/10/foxtel agreement just compounds the issue.

Our brand and identity has been diluted and now the tassie pollies are arguing over the merits of our sponsorship.

Jeff, it's another fine mess you've got us into.
I will have to dissagree. Hawthorn are pushing into the eastern region with their presence at Waverley. They have also had a family day at Pakenham.

We would not have to go to Tasmania if membership was 35,000+ (yes I am a member, however I live in Darwin). However, the Tassie deal will give us an extra $1.5 to 2 million profit for 5 years and set us up for years after that.

We got skewered by the AFL because of the TV rights deal. But at the end of the day be thankful you can see 13 games live this season. I can only manage 1 or 2 every two years.

No matter what, we all are still The Hawthorn Hawks.:thumbsu:
 

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Yawwwn! Please, detractors, let's get on with the season and live with our exciting expectations of our young team rather than the on-and-ons of the Hawthorn Political Debating Club.

By all means, go on with your drawn-out copy and pasting, regurgitations, plagiarisms. This is a democratic chat-fest.

For me, I just want to enjoy the Hawthorn Football Club. So I am just about to exercise my right and activate a personal ignore list. I never thought I would ever see the day when I would have need to do that in this forum.
 

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Yawwwn! Please, detractors, let's get on with the season and live with our exciting expectations of our young team rather than the on-and-ons of the Hawthorn Political Debating Club.

By all means, go on with your drawn-out copy and pasting, regurgitations, plagiarisms. This is a democratic chat-fest.

For me, I just want to enjoy the Hawthorn Football Club. So I am just about to exercise my right and activate a personal ignore list. I never thought I would ever see the day when I would have need to do that in this forum.
Oh convienient once again gary.

Well gary I put up a suggestion - please ignore me - because it will make no difference!

Because I notice you have NEVER,
EVER
EVER
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responded to a post of mine that comments on yours and I have posted many.

I just wonder why that is!

You could only think the reason is you have no comeback and you know I am correct in what I say - you also know I am not some 17 yr old that will just accept some of the rubbish that is put out here.

You make these grand posts and when people respond with thought out analysis that doesn't agree with you all you come back with is a post like this, frankly all it suggests to me is you are GUTLESS and not prepared to back up your views in a debate.

And isn't that what a forum is all about!

PS: I have copied this post for further distribution.
 
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Yawwwn! Please, detractors, let's get on with the season and live with our exciting expectations of our young team rather than the on-and-ons of the Hawthorn Political Debating Club.

By all means, go on with your drawn-out copy and pasting, regurgitations, plagiarisms. This is a democratic chat-fest.

For me, I just want to enjoy the Hawthorn Football Club. So I am just about to exercise my right and activate a personal ignore list. I never thought I would ever see the day when I would have need to do that in this forum.
I seem to remember that you started a lot of this debate by asking the anti - tassie deal supporters what alternatives they had. And having debated very poorly you now want to pick up your bat and ball and go home. If you want to be a Hawthorn board yes man and accept every decision they make that's fine but don't expect me or other posters to suddenly stop posting on this important topic.
 

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13 games in Melbourne. 4 home games in a big country town in a stadium with a low crowd capacity. Approx 2 out of 9 fta games when we play interstate. Melbourne supporters have been seriously done over and it is about time supporters wake up and see what is happening to the club.

It wasn't that long ago when we played 17 games in Melbourne and the emphasis of the then Dicker board was to play as many Saturday arvo games as possible. I can't believe our club has come to this and especially as it is all so unneccesary.

Someone posed on another thread what the anti-tassie supporters alternatives were. That is easy - stay in Melbourne and concentrate on building up membership in the massively expanding south-east region. Our finances didn't demand that we had to take up the tassie option. In fact our finances were/are in excellent shape and considering our poor onfield performances for a number years we have done exceptionally well.

We have now seriously compromised our ability to expand our Melbourne based membership. The new 7/10/foxtel agreement just compounds the issue.

Our brand and identity has been diluted and now the tassie pollies are arguing over the merits of our sponsorship.

Jeff, it's another fine mess you've got us into.
MHDKA might be a better poster to explain this to you , but our finances were not in excellent shape.
Our net assets are fine but our cash flow was poor.

Someone better qualified will be able to explain it in better detail but we are not as excellent as you may think
 

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MHDKA might be a better poster to explain this to you , but our finances were not in excellent shape.
Our net assets are fine but our cash flow was poor.

Someone better qualified will be able to explain it in better detail but we are not as excellent as you may think
Don't look for support from me wahawk.

I do find this post of wahawks interesting though as one of the things I have maintained constantly about the tasmanian deal is we had no desperate need to do this deal for the cash - yet he amongst others have said I was wrong - now it is apparent he had no idea!

One thing I am happy to say is the club did manage our finances well last year and we actually had a strong turn around in cash flow of around $950K.

As said before we also have a strong net asset position - I think the second or third highest of any victorian club.

Anyone with a finance background, after looking at the accounts will verify that dicker has left the club in a strong financial position which has been managed well by Robson as CEO last year.

What we need to continue to do though is continue to control our costs and increase the level of membership and sponsorship & if we can continue to improve on the field this would have happened without the need of taking the risk of increasing our exposure to tasmania.
 
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You could only think the reason is you have no comeback and you know I am correct in what I say - you also know I am not some 17 yr old that will just accept some of the rubbish that is put out here.


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As you are a member of Operation Recovery, you have to be at least 55 years or more :D

Your organised campaign of posting here is not working, mate.

We know what you're doing.


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As you are a member of Operation Recovery, you have to be at least 55 years or more :D

Your organised campaign of posting here is not working, mate.

We know what you're doing.


LH86
I'll repeat my last post to you:

I dont know why you keep calling me mate - it is pretty obvious I am not a mate of yours.:rolleyes:

As far as your comments regarding operation recovery they are as accurate as the rest of your posts on this issue.

Again as I say do some analysis before you post.

As I have said before I admire don scott but I probably wouldn't vote for him.
I can see where you fit in - one of those 17 yr olds!

And BTW I am nowhere near 55 (not that theres anything wrong with that!)
 

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How about we all chill and cool off a little, guys.

Let's leave the friendly bantering to team discussions during the regular season, eh?
 
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