Preview New interchange rule (a post Jacob analysis)

[blue_boys]

This new rule is just horrible. It just has no purpose, there was nothing wrong with rule before so no need to change it. Of course there are going to be freak games where 2 or 3 player go down injured but it's just bad luck, no need to make up a new rule.

I didn't think it was possible, but a sporting body has made a worse rule than the new domestic one-day cricket rule (split innings one). Once again the AFL mess with the rules and ruin them.

 

[Stamos]

This new rule is just horrible. It just has no purpose, there was nothing wrong with rule before so no need to change it. Of course there are going to be freak games where 2 or 3 player go down injured but it's just bad luck, no need to make up a new rule.

I didn't think it was possible, but a sporting body has made a worse rule than the new domestic one-day cricket rule (split innings one). Once again the AFL mess with the rules and ruin them.

It actually does have a purpose, which is to reduce rotations and to make the interchange closer to what it was intended to be, ie coverage for injuries. This is how they should have brought the in 4th interchange player initially (1997?), and it would be much less of an issue now.

 

[IheartCarrots]

if they bring in this experiment, can i suggest they have a 21 plus 4 emergencies?

If your only ruck goes down in the first quarter and your sub is chris yarran you're stuffed.

So if the sub is for emergencies only - let the mc decide which of the 4 to play!

Which is exactly why the sub will not be somebody like Yarran. This isn't a new rule, it worked fine for years. You pick a sub based on combination of form and needs. Somebody such as Davies, Lucas, Johnson, Hadley or even Houlihan. They are perfect bench players due to their versatility and size.

 

[gbatman]

let it be known, this rule change is a blight on what already is a great game that needs no changing.

 

[Jabba73]

I can see Kreuzer being the sub or the one subbed out for the first few weeks back from his knee. Good chance to get some quality game time into him without having to play the whole game before he is ready.

We played quite a few games this year with one or two down on the bench and still were competitive so not sure the rule will have the intended result of slowing the game down.

All the new interchange rule is doing, is lowering the skills of footballers (through tiredness) to the same level as the athletes (through lack of ability) in the last quarter when fitness, more than skill, will be the key.

 

[thylacine60]

I can see Kreuzer being the sub or the one subbed out for the first few weeks back from his knee. Good chance to get some quality game time into him without having to play the whole game before he is ready.

Geez, I don't really know why but that doesn't sound right to me.

 

[Jabba73]

Geez, I don't really know why but that doesn't sound right to me.

There is nothing in the rule that says you have to swap for a like player. You could start with the two ruckmen in the 21 and play Kreuzer for about 2-3 quarters then take him off and bring on another runner to increase the rotations at the end of the game.
We have versatile ruckmen in Kreuze and 206 who can go forward and mark so they are not wasting a spot in the 21. We will see the value of the utility type player go skyward under this new rule.
We may have dodged a bullet with Walker not getting a trade to another club as he and Waite are the perfect type of player to have in the side.

 

[Team Mo']

There is nothing in the rule that says you have to swap for a like player. You could start with the two ruckmen in the 21 and play Kreuzer for about 2-3 quarters then take him off and bring on another runner to increase the rotations at the end of the game.
We have versatile ruckmen in Kreuze and 206 who can go forward and mark so they are not wasting a spot in the 21. We will see the value of the utility type player go skyward under this new rule.
We may have dodged a bullet with Walker not getting a trade to another club as he and Waite are the perfect type of player to have in the side.

I think that Thy means if Kreuzer isn't ready to play a whole game then playing one quarter could still be bad for his knee.

It doesn't take 4 quarters to injure a knee; only one second really. So he is either 100% fit or he isn't playing for mine.

 

[thylacine60]

I think that Thy means if Kreuzer isn't ready to play a whole game then playing one quarter could still be bad for his knee.

It doesn't take 4 quarters to injure a knee; only one second really. So he is either 100% fit or he isn't playing for mine.

Yup. Makes things heaps easier when someone else is clarifying them, Mo.

 

[Dima]

I can see Kreuzer being the sub or the one subbed out for the first few weeks back from his knee. Good chance to get some quality game time into him without having to play the whole game before he is ready.

We played quite a few games this year with one or two down on the bench and still were competitive so not sure the rule will have the intended result of slowing the game down.

All the new interchange rule is doing, is lowering the skills of footballers (through tiredness) to the same level as the athletes (through lack of ability) in the last quarter when fitness, more than skill, will be the key.

Disagree with this Jabba. I think that the terrible accuracy in front of goal and general - IMO - weakening of overall skill levels in the last couple of years were due to the increased rotations, running and intensity of the game. If players are all forced to conserve more energy and the game slows up as a result, the skills will come to the fore and pure footballers will increase in importance once again.

Do agree with your first couple of points though, the Port Adelaide game springs to mind where we were down a couple and pulled through.

 

[IheartCarrots]

I feel the apparent reduced accuracy around goal is more to do with how professional football is getting. Gone are the days where everybody would spend at least an hour either side of training doing nothing BUT kicking for goal. No longer do the boys have a bit of kick to kick in the late afternoon if they have nothing else on. Hell, there isn't even the good old markers up which taught us all how to take a decent contested mark. Even the training sessions are entirely different with far more time spent on tactics and athleticism than developing skills.

 

[Faz 2000]

It could also be due to vastly better-drilled and more effective defensive structures that force attacking teams to take shots from further out/worse angles.

Full forwards just don't take half a dozen marks on the lead, 35m out, directly in front any more like the Dunstalls, Locketts, etc did. Now there's zones and loose players and whatnot that make it that much tougher to get a clean possession and shot at goal.

Which is also why the Blues need more players with superior kicking skills (both distance and accuracy) so we're more of a scoring threat than... you know... Brad Fisher.

 

[40yearBLUE]

I dont mind this rule, we used to have 2 subs in the beginning then went to being able to interchange them, then 3 on the bench then 4, so 3 interchangeable and one sub is no big regression for mine.

And I feel (not sure yet whether by design or luck, although Ratts intimated in a mid year interview that they were planning for it) we are going to benefit from this rule in a big (read HUGE) way. Not only do we have 3 versatile and mobile ruck options that can run hard and play forward, we also have quite a number of "utility" players that can play forward or back (Waite, Hendo, Tex, even Irish) so I think we are uniquely placed to capitalize on it and no doubt this changes the criteria a little for our drafters, and look for big engined players in the draft.

I initially thought a ruck would sit sub but I have been convinced by other posts that the sub will likely be a running half back/bigger bodied mid like Davies/Lucas etc that have defensive quality as well as offensive run and ball delivery skill as Iheartcarrots pointed out, and the utilities rotated on the ground to fill the gap if its a KP that goes down and a ruck "resting" at FF or a brief spell on the pine. Also think some of the mids will "rest" in the forward line, especially Judd and fits his new goal of hitting the scoreboard harder perfectly.

Besides our natural progression of our players, and the apparent decline of previous top 4 giants Cats and maybe Saints and Dogs, we could be especially placed in history for a dramatic change of fortunes. Would not be totally surprised to see us shoot it out with Collingwood next year for minor premier. Big call I know but crazier things have happened and their is some logic and not just wild hope in my call.

 

[Silvagnis]

I suspect our substitute will be a midfielder, not a ruckman or KPP.

Possible ideal 22 (post 2011)

B: Russell Jamison Laidler
HB: Bower Watson Yarran
C: Lucas Gibbs Simpson
HF: Garlett Henderson Collins
F: Betts Waite Walker
R: Kreuzer Judd Murphy

I/C: Warnock Robinson Carrazzo/Armfield

Sub: Mclean

Emerg: Austin Buckley Davies Duigan Joseph Kerr Hampson McCarthy Mitchell McInnes White

The position of substitute which removes one set of fresh legs from the rotations might be a blessing in disguise for Mclean. Our best strategy might be to thrash Robinson for the first half then sub Mclean (or Curnow) in. Or vice versa. Mclean and Curnow mightn't be as dynamic as Murphy, yet they have huge motors and can win their own ball. They might be the perfect substitute for Carlton. Mclean can't go forward, but Gibbs, Lucas, Garlett, Yarran, Walker, Robinson and Murphy are versatile players and good options inside 50. Top endurance athletes and hard runners such as Lucas and Walker should be kept in the 20.

Subs worry for Judd

"I think certainly the aerobic requirements of the players, having that one less player rotating off the bench, is going to go through the roof."

Subs worry for Judd

Someone like Carrazzo who is a great runner, but an average kick who can't rest in the forwardline and kick goals might be forced out of the side. Players such as Kerr, Collins and eventually Buckley who can kick and make the right decisions will become even more important. One paced role players like Ellard might fall by the way side. Joseph, Davies, Tuohy and Armfield could be a better bet than Ellard with their pace and run.

 

[Sin City]

I love the thought of Armfield coming on with fresh legs half way through the third quarter and running everyone off their legs, similar to that run through the middle late against Hawthorn in 2009. Rohan Kerr will be a good option later on as well.

 

[Stamos]

I love the thought of Armfield coming on with fresh legs half way through the third quarter and running everyone off their legs, similar to that run through the middle late against Hawthorn in 2009. Rohan Kerr will be a good option later on as well.

Army can run them off their legs all game. I reckon his run would be wasted only coming on late.

 

[Faz 2000]

I think the concept of using battering-ram type players like Robinson, Ellard, McLean for a half each maybe has merit.

Instructions would be to give everything you've got in a half clearing space for Judd, Murph and co, then hit the showers.

 

[Sin City]

Army can run them off their legs all game. I reckon his run would be wasted only coming on late.

Like it or not it's gonna have to be someone, if he's moving into a midfield role he can't really comand a starting spot ahead of others just yet so until he does coming on with a quarter and a half to go and hopefully making a few game changing runs against players with tired legs is a good thing for us to have.

 

[Stamos]

Reckon this week it will be one of Scotland/Collins/Lucas

 

[Salaryman]

I quite like the twin battering ram idea as well

 

[blueblood25]

I love the thought of Armfield coming on with fresh legs half way through the third quarter and running everyone off their legs, similar to that run through the middle late against Hawthorn in 2009. Rohan Kerr will be a good option later on as well.

This reminded me of the bombers game in 2008 where big Lance came on with 5 mins left at the end of the second quarter where we were 50 odd points down. That helped some bozo kick 8 goals and i think we all remember how that match worked out.

Bring back Lance.

 

[Sin City]

Bring back Lance.

A dangerous man with fresh legs. Even more dangerous with hollow legs

 

[Red Bull]

I suspect our substitute will be a midfielder, not a ruckman or KPP.

Possible ideal 22 (post 2011)

B: Russell Jamison Laidler
HB: Bower Watson Yarran
C: Lucas Gibbs Simpson
HF: Garlett Henderson Collins
F: Betts Waite Walker
R: Kreuzer Judd Murphy

I/C: Warnock Robinson Carrazzo/Armfield

Sub: Mclean

Emerg: Austin Buckley Davies Duigan Joseph Kerr Hampson McCarthy Mitchell McInnes White


Love this team General ,
Think you have got it spot on , even down to the positions .

Just 1 change , come 2012 Carrazzo will have to make way .
The game and the team will have gone past him .

Add any 1 of your emergencies and its starting to really look like a team that can seriously challenge for no.17 !!!

 

[Silvagnis]

Think you have got it spot on , even down to the positions .

Just 1 change , come 2012 Carrazzo will have to make way .
The game and the team will have gone past him .

Add any 1 of your emergencies and its starting to really look like a team that can seriously challenge for no.17 !!!

It's incredibly early, yet I hope we look at a classy or tough half forward (a Max Rooke, Ryan O'Keefe or Bob Murphy) in the next draft.

We need some Hamill or Hickmott type grunt inside 50.

Or a tall forward if Mitchell struggles with injury.

 

[Red Bull]

It's incredibly early, yet I hope we look at a classy or tough half forward (a Max Rooke, Ryan O'Keefe or Bob Murphy) in the next draft.

We need some Hamill or Hickmott type grunt inside 50.

Or a tall forward if Mitchell struggles with injury.

Hoping Mitchell can be our big one grab forward playing deep .
Ive always liked the thought of Waite roaming the HFF , and he's got a bit of mongrel in him .

HF : Waite Henderson Garlett

F : Betts Mitchell Walker / Collins / Kerr

Henderson as your lead up forward
Waite floating across half forward can take a grab
Mitchell playing deep , big target and a 1 grabber ???
Garlett and Betts supply the class , pace , smarts and forward pressure
Then its up to Walker , Collins and Kerr to fight for the last spot , they all have different strengths , leave that to the MC to decide whats best for team balance .