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Nori said:
Most people prefer to go forward in their careers, not backwards. He’s been there, done that.

Surely there are other worthy candidates for the job?
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Some people don't have a choice, and some people move to different roles they enjoy more or are more comfortable in.

Not saying it will happen, not even saying there would be interest there, just that we have an experienced option at the club already if they want to go down that path.
 
jezzajay said:
How is Matt Bain not seen as a conflict of interest considering he manages some of our players?
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Because in taking the position he would cease to be their manager, he'd simply be our List Manager (or whatever title we use). For sure, he'd need to change the way he interacted with some of those guys, but they'd also need to find themselves new managers to take his place. There is absolutely a difference in the relationship between agent/player and father/son.

Depending on what we want the next bloke to actually be responsible for, I think a player manager brings a lot to the table. Good relations with all clubs, good understanding of the intricacies of player contracts, inside knowledge of the contracts/personalities/drivers of some opposition players, good network of junior talent scouts, to name a few.

Not saying he's a shoe-in here, he'd need to be weighed up against what others bring to the table, but there are definitely positives.
 

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Blue__Balls said:
Because in taking the position he would cease to be their manager, he'd simply be our List Manager (or whatever title we use). For sure, he'd need to change the way he interacted with some of those guys, but they'd also need to find themselves new managers to take his place. There is absolutely a difference in the relationship between agent/player and father/son.

Depending on what we want the next bloke to actually be responsible for, I think a player manager brings a lot to the table. Good relations with all clubs, good understanding of the intricacies of player contracts, inside knowledge of the contracts/personalities/drivers of some opposition players, good network of junior talent scouts, to name a few.

Not saying he's a shoe-in here, he'd need to be weighed up against what others bring to the table, but there are definitely positives.
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I appreciate your reply.
Yes, if he were to relinquish his role as their manager I can see that as 'not being a conflict of interest'.
Just wasn't sure as to whether he would maintain that role also.
 
jezzajay said:
I appreciate your reply.
Yes, if he were to relinquish his role as their manager I can see that as 'not being a conflict of interest'.
Just wasn't sure as to whether he would maintain that role also.
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I don't think there is any way he could possibly be both a player manager for individual players (ours and opposition) and a list manager (or any other full time role at the club).

If he wants to come and run drinks at training in his spare time, that's a different story. But a senior position at the club would mean a career pivot, rather than some extra work on the side.
 
Blair Hartley??

He’s not even that good. It was only recently he was throwing first and second rounders around for Yarran and Hampson, and picking Lennon ahead of Cripps.

Overrated list manager being made to look good from a freakishly good crop of elite players (all of whom went high in the draft) and great coaching.

He’s ‘nailed’ late picks lately because they’re coming into an elite system and being developed.
 

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jezzajay said:
How is Matt Bain not seen as a conflict of interest considering he manages some of our players?
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Because he hasn't had a spat with Liddle yet.
 
chunkylover53 said:
Blair Hartley??

He’s not even that good. It was only recently he was throwing first and second rounders around for Yarran and Hampson, and picking Lennon ahead of Cripps.

Overrated list manager being made to look good from a freakishly good crop of elite players (all of whom went high in the draft) and great coaching.

He’s ‘nailed’ late picks lately because they’re coming into an elite system and being developed.
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That's the draft.

How about mature recruits?

Nankervis, Prestia, Lynch, Caddy - were they all under Hartley's watch?

Because I think it's fair to say we're moving past the draft being our priority, and into the space where we need to be able to identify and secure key personnel in areas of need. Perhaps that's something Hartley does well (not perfectly, nobody does). Being successful obviously helps (ie. Lynch), but the others were all joining Richmond while they were still Ninth-mond, and ended up improving them significantly.
 
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Back to being seriousish. Dom Ambrogio from Brisbane? They seem to be making all the right decisions.
 

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AlecDuncan said:
Back to being seriousish. Dom Ambrogio from Brisbane? They seem to be making all the right decisions.
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He looked pretty calm going way over the allotted timeframe to be able to pick swap for Kadein or whatever his name was.
Pan to Dodo and he had his head in his hands, his balls crossed, praying to the god of Hird in the hope they didn’t match


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Jeremias said:
Some people don't have a choice, and some people move to different roles they enjoy more or are more comfortable in.

Not saying it will happen, not even saying there would be interest there, just that we have an experienced option at the club already if they want to go down that path.
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It certainly is handy having a head of footy who knows about list managment.
 
AlecDuncan said:
I wouldn't say SOS bent the rules, but he certainly worked them until they squeaked. His embrace of live-trading is an object lesson to the entire competition.
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I think this is a good point. You can argue the toss about his success with late picks but (a) you’re only as good as your scouts and (b) it’s a mixed bag for everyone anyway.

But you can’t argue that he’s been aggressive and proactive in the way he’s accumulated picks and been willing to use the new rules. So far (and it’s admittedly early) he proven to be ahead of the game and gained us a clear advantage.

I often wonder where we’d be if someone else had come in and just taken a more traditional route to list building. We wouldn’t have Stocker. We wouldn’t have McKay and Curnow. If this comes off, it will be because SOS has been willing to back himself and use the rules to his advantage.

Ultimately, THATS what we risk losing...not his judgement on players.
 
Blue__Balls said:
That's the draft.

How about mature recruits?

Nankervis, Prestia, Lynch, Caddy - were they all under Hartley's watch?

Because I think it's fair to say we're moving past the draft being our priority, and into the space where we need to be able to identify and secure key personnel in areas of need. Perhaps that's something Hartley does well (not perfectly, nobody does). Being successful obviously helps (ie. Lynch), but the others were all joining Richmond while they were still Premiershipmond, and ended up improving them significantly.
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Getting mature players like the above is more about the coaches and leadership group, imo. List manager targets the players and writes up the contract which is a credit to them. But the bulk of the decision would be based around the stakeholders they’re going to be spending every day with (coaches, players).
 
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