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Analysis New player roles - 2020
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This is a combination of existing positions with maybe more definition.
Levi - Some of his best football to me has been played in the back half and also roaming ruck. I am picturing him as our Justin Westhoff.
SPS - He has to be played down back, with pinch hitting in the midfield.
Docherty/Newman/Simpson - One or two of them have to push higher up the ground and pinch hit in the midfield and Docherty has the best feeling in that role for me. Simpson would be the least likely
Cripps - I am hoping that we have a midfield that allows him to play like Dustin Martin and just clear out the forward line and allow him to one v one a team. I would not mind a 65/35 Midfield/Forward distribution. Increasing his forward percentages should be high on our list of priorities.
TDK - If Kruezer goes down, I could see him potentially being the main ruck.
Newnes - I am hoping he moves back to the wing again compared to his final years at Saints.
Murphy - I'd love for him to play a Cotchin role and become a more defensive midfielder/lock down player. Cotchin's role change has been one of the most impressive displays I've seen. Cotchin is a legit top line midfielder that is playing the best team game I've seen for years. His selfless play has unlocked that midfield unit.
Kennedy - He is a forward or bust pick in my eyes, I just don't see he has the ability to play midfield. I would prefer to get games into Dow, Setterfield, Stocker....
I honestly think the modern structure of teams is more a
4 - Forwards (McKay, McGovern, Curnow, Levi, Betts) We can head down the path of 2/3 talls with a combination of Betts and a resting midfielder
4 - Backs (Plowman, Levi, Weitering, Jones, Simpson, SPS) 2/3 talls with 1/2 of a Docherty, Simpson, SPS, Newman
9 - Midfielders - While some of these midfielders will be playing in back or forward positions, they need to have an ability to move into the midfield.
This is why I like JSOS's ability to move into the midfield, opens up his ability to shift from the forward half into the midfield.
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That is the rough on-field structure these days.
Rookies - No real point talking about new roles as their role in juniors years is semi pointless.
Levi - Some of his best football to me has been played in the back half and also roaming ruck. I am picturing him as our Justin Westhoff.
SPS - He has to be played down back, with pinch hitting in the midfield.
Docherty/Newman/Simpson - One or two of them have to push higher up the ground and pinch hit in the midfield and Docherty has the best feeling in that role for me. Simpson would be the least likely
Cripps - I am hoping that we have a midfield that allows him to play like Dustin Martin and just clear out the forward line and allow him to one v one a team. I would not mind a 65/35 Midfield/Forward distribution. Increasing his forward percentages should be high on our list of priorities.
TDK - If Kruezer goes down, I could see him potentially being the main ruck.
Newnes - I am hoping he moves back to the wing again compared to his final years at Saints.
Murphy - I'd love for him to play a Cotchin role and become a more defensive midfielder/lock down player. Cotchin's role change has been one of the most impressive displays I've seen. Cotchin is a legit top line midfielder that is playing the best team game I've seen for years. His selfless play has unlocked that midfield unit.
Kennedy - He is a forward or bust pick in my eyes, I just don't see he has the ability to play midfield. I would prefer to get games into Dow, Setterfield, Stocker....
I honestly think the modern structure of teams is more a
4 - Forwards (McKay, McGovern, Curnow, Levi, Betts) We can head down the path of 2/3 talls with a combination of Betts and a resting midfielder
4 - Backs (Plowman, Levi, Weitering, Jones, Simpson, SPS) 2/3 talls with 1/2 of a Docherty, Simpson, SPS, Newman
9 - Midfielders - While some of these midfielders will be playing in back or forward positions, they need to have an ability to move into the midfield.
This is why I like JSOS's ability to move into the midfield, opens up his ability to shift from the forward half into the midfield.
1 - Ruck
That is the rough on-field structure these days.
Rookies - No real point talking about new roles as their role in juniors years is semi pointless.
Very well thought out and explained.
Players with versatility to play multiple roles/areas is crucial for team balance, which improves the said gameplan, but more importantly gameday tactics
If big H doesn't quite get up I'm hoping we put big DeKoning in his place, still a little raw and underdeveloped but i love his attack at the ball and the man if he don't mark it he'll crash the pack and create chances, he chases and tackles fiercely as well, that will give us two big key forwards at 204cm and 200cm Casboult we'll need their contested strength and marking, then 191cm McGovern then our mediums and smalls.
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I personally would love to see Doc up the ground, up the ground, as in on the wing or streaming off half back. I think his skill set is suited to the wing, but for now, I just want him to get through the season.
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Nah, no need for TDK in R1 against the reigning premiers.
Martin, Casboult, Cunners
Betts, Kennedy, McGovern
4 genuine marking targets and 4 genuine crumbers, with Kennedy and Martin both filling dual roles. Makes us unpredictable, and hopefully dangerous.
Strangely, I think of all the "talls" we have at our disposal, Matt Kennedy is the one that would have the most natural synergy with Betts.
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Was joking about the words smalls, lets start that conversation again
Hoping to see Dekoning get a go at it some time this year (form permitting of course)
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Agree. Think we need a 2nd genuine tall. Otherwise what do we have when Casboult is rucking?
Neither JSOS or Kennedy are quick, particularly with the frenetic speed of the game early in the season. They also don't have the aerial strength to make up for the lack of pace. De Koning is obviously not Carl Lewis either, but offers more in the air. He can also ruck, letting Casboult stay forward.
De Koning got games late 2018, surely with Charlie and Harry out (if that happens) he has to be a big chance to play?
It's a good forward line and without stating the obvious the way we bring the the ball into F50 along with the delivery will no doubt play a pivotal part, hopefully that goes well, if the ball is bombarded in a lot through pressure and just bad disposal then i see us being in a bit of trouble..
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Kreuzer rests, Casboult rucks - we better hope Gov is sitting on a lot of heads!
Might be a good forward line in adverse weather, but gee we would risk getting outmarked a lot in good conditions.
As much as we'd love to get multiple clean entries most of the game, they aren't going to allow that so my thoughts are like you just mentioned having more/sufficient aerial strength forward because when Casboult goes in to relieve Kruez we seem to be left without a KP size presence..
Missed the bolded, my badWas joking about the words smalls, lets start that conversation again
Hoping to see Dekoning get a go at it some time this year (form permitting of course)
9 doesn’t mind going forward.
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Casboult strong in the air, McGovern strong in the air, Martin strong in the air, Kennedy strong in the air - Kreuzer will rest forward at times, Cripps will rest forward at times, Setters will rest forward at times...if we're playing Marchbank on a wing we have the option to swing either him or one of the defenders forward for a short spell as well in a pinch. There's plenty marking options available, its more about delivery to them at that stage (which I understand has been a major focus in the preseason).
Teams make do with less than 3 key talls on a regular basis, no reason we can't do the same.
And extremely good at it, usually hard to strip it back off them...
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Our preferred option would be Charlie, Harry, Gov, Martin, Betts and whoever is resting. This is the structure we have set up as the "ideal".
Casboult replaces Charlie for now. With no Harry, to maintain that same structure, we need a genuine marking tall (even better if he can ruck).
I think you are overstating the marking power of some of the above. Kreuzer has never been the answer up forward. Granted Martin is new and might add something in this regard. The others were all there last year and our forward line was hardly the envy of the competition. Hopefully extra fitness will help with some of them.
If Cripps rests forward whilst Kreuzer rests (bench) and Casboult rucks, we are weaker in 2 areas.
God help us if we got an injury to a tall in-game.
I’d be stunned if he plays round one. He has not done a block of training at all and Russell seems to like seeing a good 6 week run at it before games.
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is a stunned windows1 anything like a shattered windows1?
No not at all, in fact as he comes back from his reco’s I think he should remain purely as a half back, later down the road I think he could be considered in the rotations with a few of the other back half players as I said previously.
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I think you're underestimating Kennedy, in particular, as a specialist deep forward.
He doesn't have the height of Harry, or the athleticism of Charlie, but he's a solid lad with sticky hands and an old-school understanding of the game. He's a lighter Jack Darling.
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Ok Navy Knackers, looks like we've been banished to the outside courts
You're overstating and I'm underestimating.
Wouldn't mind betting there will be similar discussion to this at MC leading up to round 1. We can only wait and see.
I'm tipping De Koning plays if Harry doesn't get up. It's not ideal, but just allows a lot more flexibility if things go awry. Imagine if Jones gets a bad head knock and Casboult has to go back?
Kennedy may well be a part of the forward mix, and I would prefer his dead-eye-dickedness over JSOS. Not sure what the opposite to a dead-eye-dick is?
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Ok Navy Knackers, looks like we've been banished to the outside courts
You're overstating and I'm underestimating.
Wouldn't mind betting there will be similar discussion to this at MC leading up to round 1. We can only wait and see.
I'm tipping De Koning plays if Harry doesn't get up. It's not ideal, but just allows a lot more flexibility if things go awry. Imagine if Jones gets a bad head knock and Casboult has to go back?
Kennedy may well be a part of the forward mix, and I would prefer his dead-eye-dickedness over JSOS. Not sure what the opposite to a dead-eye-dick is?
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It does, but let's not get too clever for our own good.
No better recent example of a tactic gone wrong, than for Boltons small forward set-up last year.
If Polson wasn't confused beforehand, he certainly was after this failed trial.
Gibbons playing a more natural role may have ultimately saved his career.
ECurnow didn't like playing forward. Everyone says they welcome the challenge of a new role, but most are happy doing what they do best.
That's why I worry for Dow and Fisher this year and to a lesser extent Marchbank should they go ahead with playing him on a wing...and if we do I'll bet that it's with the NB'sd and not the main team. Maybe that's what we're being primed for, at tis stage.