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Blue Rising 21

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Another point on Cripps. I see Cripps play sore week in week out for the last two seasons. Then I think of Judd carrying us hard with the inside mid role and retiring early at what was it, 29. I see pendlebury playing on. Albert playing on.

Looking at Cripps now...doesn’t anyone else think he will be lucky to make it to 30. How slow and banged up will he be.

or does everything think he looks in great order physically the past two seasons?
 

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Wasn’t he AFLPA MVP in 2019?
Do you think Cripps will last. Aren’t there are whole heap of specialist hard inside midfielders who became scrap heap players pretty quickly. Brock McLean was a fantastic inside mid early doors then a scrap heap player at Carlton. The inside midfielders average career at the top isn’t that long based on averages.

If Judd didn’t bail out Murphy and Gibbs by bulking up and playing inside mid, he would have played 2-3 more years.
 

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Not sure how banged up he looked in 2019 is all...
2020, yes.
Not that it is evidence, but checking footywire, his disposal count has dropped 3 years running. I know this season just gone was shorter and less minutes but you can see he was still down despite that.

Anyone on here willing to put money on Cripps setting a new benchmark? Can’t anyone else see the trend.

BTW, overkilling this topic I am. Just nothing else on here of interest lol.
 

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Not that it is evidence, but checking footywire, his disposal count has dropped 3 years running. I know this season just gone was shorter and less minutes but you can see he was still down despite that.

Anyone on here willing to put money on Cripps setting a new benchmark? Can’t anyone else see the trend.

BTW, overkilling this topic I am. Just nothing else on here of interest lol.
You can't just focus on disposal output though - I agree 2020 was lower for him, but I actually WANT his disposal count to drop if it means our other players are getting more of the ball.

When Cripps is dominating, we become a bit of a one-trick pony. A more versatile midfield will win more games.
 

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Not that it is evidence, but checking footywire, his disposal count has dropped 3 years running. I know this season just gone was shorter and less minutes but you can see he was still down despite that.

Anyone on here willing to put money on Cripps setting a new benchmark? Can’t anyone else see the trend.

BTW, overkilling this topic I am. Just nothing else on here of interest lol.
Question then is whether Cripps is worth playing anywhere other than the coalface.

He's not an outside mid, he's not a defender, and while he can get forward and take the odd mark, his kicking for goal is below average.

Maybe playing more time up forward would reduce fatigue and he'd be able to convert more opportunities? Maybe not.

For me, as harsh as it sounds, Cripps should be playing as much mid time as possible for as long as he can. If he's cooked by 30, well, that's the nature of his role. If he wants longevity, then he'd need to do a lot of work on his disposal and finishing to make playing him elsewhere a viable option.
 

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Speaking of things SOS related...

I like JSOS to the backline.

He lacks the speed and agility to get separation in the forwardline. Lacks speed and endurance to be a full-time mid.

What he does have is footy smarts, he reads the ball well and plays with desperation. He has shown good defensive nous during his limited time spent tagging. He has good vision, nice skills too and can kick to advantage.

I think he'd be a good 3rd tall in the backline (as long as he's not playing on super quick players).

Granted he is competing with Plowman, Marchbank and Doc for that role of 3rd tall/defensive sweeper. But I think backline is what best suits his strengths and most hides his weaknesses.
 

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Speaking of things SOS related...

I like JSOS to the backline.

He lacks the speed and agility to get separation in the forwardline. Lacks speed and endurance to be a full-time mid.

What he does have is footy smarts, he reads the ball well and plays with desperation. He has shown good defensive nous during his limited time spent tagging. He has good vision, nice skills too and can kick to advantage.

I think he'd be a good 3rd tall in the backline (as long as he's not playing on super quick players).

Granted he is competing with Plowman, Marchbank and Doc for that role of 3rd tall/defensive sweeper. But I think backline is what best suits his strengths and most hides his weaknesses.
It was mentioned somewhere else by another poster, but I really like the idea of JSOS transitioning to be the new E. Curnow. Very similar playing traits IMO. The only question is how would this transition actually look on the field? Curnow is getting older, but could have 2-3 decent years left in him. JSOS is able to play multiple positions, whereas Curnow can only really play as a mid.
 

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Speaking of things SOS related...

I like JSOS to the backline.

He lacks the speed and agility to get separation in the forwardline. Lacks speed and endurance to be a full-time mid.

What he does have is footy smarts, he reads the ball well and plays with desperation. He has shown good defensive nous during his limited time spent tagging. He has good vision, nice skills too and can kick to advantage.

I think he'd be a good 3rd tall in the backline (as long as he's not playing on super quick players).

Granted he is competing with Plowman, Marchbank and Doc for that role of 3rd tall/defensive sweeper. But I think backline is what best suits his strengths and most hides his weaknesses.
I would like to see JSOS developed as an Ed understudy.
He has already proved himself to be capable of tagging quality mids.
Has elite awareness and very creative when finding clever disposal options in traffic.
Showed many times his multiple efforts and desperation.
 

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SOJ had enough leg speed to get away from Merrit who had to resort to a desperate punch to the ribs...will be interesting to see how SOJ performs in pre-season. I'd like to see him put on a bit of upper body size to match his legs but yeah he has the brains and character to play multiple roles
 

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A couple of points regarding a change of roles.

Firstly, I think that the new interchange rules are going to have a big say; with only 75 allowed per game that's say 17/18 per quarter. As I see it that's one rest for the mid field (6 x 2 one off, one back on =12) one rest for the half back line (3 x 2 = 6) and pretty much no-one else. This is going to hurt a lot of players, and help others. It's also going to make resting players on-field much harder.

Additionally, when talking about the work rate of our midfield and the run of scores against us we don't seem to discuss what I consider to be the most important connection in modern footy; The half back to half forward connection.

With every team playing the rolling zone, whether you transition forward via a line of overlap handball or precisely kicking through it, the effect is the same:

1. The transition is slow, allowing the opposition to react.
2. All the work rests on our midfield.
3. Our midfield is all in-line or forward of the ball, meaning that any turnover results in the opposition running forward into empty space and a wide-open forward line.

This is not the case if the half-back / half-forward connection is working.

1. The transition is quick, providing the forwards with a better chance to score.
2. The opposition midfield is now behind the ball and so all the work rests with them.
3. Our midfield is behind the ball, meaning that any turnover is more easily defended (and the work load is lower).

This will become even more important this year as the more you can force the opposition midfield to work, the more pressure you put on the rotation cap.

Unfortunately, IMHO we have exactly one half forward that works hard and presents unconditionally, and that's JSOS, its enlightening to go back and watch our 2019 games and look for his leading and how often moving the ball quickly to half forward results in a score.

Anyway, just my thoughts.
 

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Jack started about 15m ahead of Merrett who closed the gap on him very quickly.
Just recently watched it and saw it very differently. JSOS took the ball about 15m in front of Merrett's position who had to run about the same distance diagonally to intercept, and in the end had to dive and broke his ribs (probably unintentionally, just trying to give a free and slow the ball down) as JSOS was past him and running into an open forward line.

Regardless, whether it was reaction time or pure leg speed Merritt couldn't get there in time to legally tackle JSOS.
 

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Just recently watched it and saw it very differently. JSOS took the ball about 15m in front of Merrett's position who had to run about the same distance diagonally to intercept, and in the end had to dive and broke his ribs (probably unintentionally, just trying to give a free and slow the ball down) as JSOS was past him and running into an open forward line.

Regardless, whether it was reaction time or pure leg speed Merritt couldn't get there in time to legally tackle JSOS.
I remebered the episode not only because of the bad injury following what looked like an inocuous punch - but also because Jack seemed to be a lot faster than I had previously observed...shame he ended up being out for the year.
 

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A couple of points regarding a change of roles.

Firstly, I think that the new interchange rules are going to have a big say; with only 75 allowed per game that's say 17/18 per quarter. As I see it that's one rest for the mid field (6 x 2 one off, one back on =12) one rest for the half back line (3 x 2 = 6) and pretty much no-one else. This is going to hurt a lot of players, and help others. It's also going to make resting players on-field much harder.

Additionally, when talking about the work rate of our midfield and the run of scores against us we don't seem to discuss what I consider to be the most important connection in modern footy; The half back to half forward connection.

With every team playing the rolling zone, whether you transition forward via a line of overlap handball or precisely kicking through it, the effect is the same:

1. The transition is slow, allowing the opposition to react.
2. All the work rests on our midfield.
3. Our midfield is all in-line or forward of the ball, meaning that any turnover results in the opposition running forward into empty space and a wide-open forward line.

This is not the case if the half-back / half-forward connection is working.

1. The transition is quick, providing the forwards with a better chance to score.
2. The opposition midfield is now behind the ball and so all the work rests with them.
3. Our midfield is behind the ball, meaning that any turnover is more easily defended (and the work load is lower).

This will become even more important this year as the more you can force the opposition midfield to work, the more pressure you put on the rotation cap.

Unfortunately, IMHO we have exactly one half forward that works hard and presents unconditionally, and that's JSOS, its enlightening to go back and watch our 2019 games and look for his leading and how often moving the ball quickly to half forward results in a score.

Anyway, just my thoughts.
The whole time reading your post until the last paragraph I thought you were going to mention Saad and Williams speed through the middle of the ground. JSOS is an extremely smart player and deserves to play every game. IMO the effect of his 'lack' of speed (whether or not he has improved), is greatly diminished by bringing in the 2 fast players above.
 

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The whole time reading your post until the last paragraph I thought you were going to mention Saad and Williams speed through the middle of the ground. JSOS is an extremely smart player and deserves to play every game. IMO the effect of his 'lack' of speed (whether or not he has improved), is greatly diminished by bringing in the 2 fast players above.
100% agree re: Saad and Williams, they make the half forwards even more important to get right. Even the best half back in the world is not going to risk running the ball if he looks up and no-one further down the ground is presenting.

But with the new rule changes its now more important than ever that HB and HF take a greater part in our transition game and lessen the workload that our midfield has to bear.
 

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Jack Silvagni - Inside mid. It might take an injury to Ed Curnow for us to try this experiment but I'm convinced it would be the making of Jack.
JSOS as a stopper. Week in week out, stop the opposition's best. Anything more is a bonus.

Has the size and the ticker.

Otherwise, Dow if he has the ticker. Time to find out?
 

Juddrockz

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Another point on Cripps. I see Cripps play sore week in week out for the last two seasons. Then I think of Judd carrying us hard with the inside mid role and retiring early at what was it, 29. I see pendlebury playing on. Albert playing on.

Looking at Cripps now...doesn’t anyone else think he will be lucky to make it to 30. How slow and banged up will he be.

or does everything think he looks in great order physically the past two seasons?
Comparing Cripps and Juddy to Pendelbury? There isn't one,in my opinion.
Who would you want to take to war with you??
 

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Comparing Cripps and Juddy to Pendelbury? There isn't one,in my opinion.
Who would you want to take to war with you??
I was comparing not as like players but as in Pendlebury has been protected more. Early on he bulked up but then gave that aspect away. That decision I think prolonged his career. That and they moved him away not always taking clearances and the lode that comes with that.
 

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Speaking of things SOS related...

I like JSOS to the backline.

He lacks the speed and agility to get separation in the forwardline. Lacks speed and endurance to be a full-time mid.

What he does have is footy smarts, he reads the ball well and plays with desperation. He has shown good defensive nous during his limited time spent tagging. He has good vision, nice skills too and can kick to advantage.

I think he'd be a good 3rd tall in the backline (as long as he's not playing on super quick players).

Granted he is competing with Plowman, Marchbank and Doc for that role of 3rd tall/defensive sweeper. But I think backline is what best suits his strengths and most hides his weaknesses.
Totally agree. He has similar attributes to his old man. The desperation, competitiveness and natural football smarts. Having him down back will improve the speed in which we move the ball out of defence to give our forwards a chance to compete in one on one contests. Will need to compete with Plow for that role
 

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I like your post for a whole lot of reasons. But don’t forget the problem here... he can’t kick for goal. Not only that, try and name a player on the list you would less prefer kicking for goal. Liam Jones and Plowman are about the only two I can come up with. Yes, goal kicking can be taught (Casboult at times), but there’s something about his makeup which suggests that he’s very fragile in front of the big sticks.
The question should be, if Cripps spends less time on fitness, midfield drills, contested ball - ie, he trains as a forward - would he still be a bad kick for goal from a set shot?

He's still training ostensibly as a midfielder. Wonder how much time midfielders devote to goalkicking over the course of a) a preseason and b) home and away training.
 

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