The new Shiel deal & his kicking

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Probably because tricky Dicky isn’t involved.
You know, all those brown paper bags stuffed with cash that Pratt ripped off from the public..

Pratt built a great Aussie company that pays out a billion a year to employees. His net contribution to Australia and Australians would far exceed most of the nuffs who get on their imaginary high horse when hearing his name. It’s a pity that for Average Joe, Pratt is only remembered for what AMCOR CEO called a Clayton’s cartel, a false ceasefire after a decade of price wars, a deal done by his execs while he was battling cancer.
 
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Apparently it’s $20k you numpties. Christ some people are easy to rile up

Essendon get fined $20 grand for JD, rich Essendon coterie member gives Shiel $20 grand and says Dylan flip that over to the club to pay for JD's fine, there's a good chap.

This Bloody Club, won't they ever learn ################.
 

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Pratt built a great Aussie company that pays out a billion a year to employees. His net contribution to Australia and Australians would far exceed most of the nuffs who get on their imaginary high horse when hearing his name. It’s a pity that for Average Joe, Pratt is only remembered for what AMCOR CEO called a Clayton’s cartel, a false ceasefire after a decade of price wars, a deal done by his execs while he was battling cancer.
Pratt built a company that ripped off many Aussies.
We all know it just wasn't about the Visy and APM price fixing cartel.
 

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Whatever the amount, there is no way of stopping someone from employing someone else. The AFL realise they are treading a fine line with the salary cap and restricion of trade. Not surprised that they approved this at all. However, just like umpiring and the MRO, it's the consistency of the decision making that has most people perplexed.
 

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Chris Dudd was paid $200,000 a year to be a non existant VISY environmental ambassador.

Dylan Shiel is getting $20,000 a year. Reasonable wage for a part time office gofer.

There is the difference. Move along people nothing to see here.

Where Pratt was involved, there is always a stain.

Secrets of Chris Judd's pay packet revealed
Michael WarnerNews Corp Australia
March 1, 2009 11:00PM
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EXCLUSIVE: A JIGSAW puzzle is a key piece of Carlton superstar Chris Judd's lucrative contract with cardboard giant Visy.
The Herald Sun can reveal the list of obligations placed on Judd in his role as Visy's "environmental ambassador".
As well as the use of Judd's image on an environmental puzzle, his duties include providing green tips for the AFL footy record and appearing at Visy staff functions.
Cash payments from Visy to Judd - believed to total several hundred thousand dollars a year - come on top of his $1 million-a-season Carltonpay packet.

AFL chiefs have approved the arrangement.
Visy is owned by embattled billionaire and Blues powerbroker Dick Pratt.
Pratt, 74, stood down as Carlton president last year to face criminal charges that he lied to the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission over price-fixing.
The Visy deal is believed to have been a deciding factor in Judd choosing Carlton after he left West Coast Eagles in 2007.
Both Carlton and Visy have refused to disclose the size of Judd's off-field payments.
"The exact details of his contract with Visy are confidential," company spokesman Tony Gray said.
"We are more than happy with the arrangement and believe Chris has delivered excellent value for us."
Mr Gray said Judd would be the face of Visy's school program to be launched on World Environment Day in June.
He would also host lectures for schoolchildren in the Visy Sustainable Living Centre to be opened at Princes Park.
Blues spokesman Ian Coutts said he knew nothing of the arrangement.
"I have no idea. It's completely separate to Carlton," he said.
Judd has previously defended the Visy contract.
"What I do for them is largely based around increasing awareness of recycling," he said last year.
"One of Visy's major pushes is the use of recycling as a tool against climate change. I have done a couple of talks for them . . . I'm pretty green."
Judd's long-time partner Rebecca Twigley, a model and part-time speech pathologist at The Alfred hospital, has emerged as one of Melbourne's A-list personalities.
Coutts denied suggestions a public relations firm had been hired to help Judd improve his own image.
"I don't know where that has come from. It would be a pleasure if all of our players were like Chris Judd," he said.
"He presents as well as anyone - on and off the football field."


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Pratt built a great Aussie company that pays out a billion a year to employees. His net contribution to Australia and Australians would far exceed most of the nuffs who get on their imaginary high horse when hearing his name. It’s a pity that for Average Joe, Pratt is only remembered for what AMCOR CEO called a Clayton’s cartel, a false ceasefire after a decade of price wars, a deal done by his execs while he was battling cancer.

Dick was found gulity & the other guy was looking for a job. Fair enough too.
 
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Where Pratt was involved, there is always a stain.

Secrets of Chris Judd's pay packet revealed
Michael WarnerNews Corp Australia
March 1, 2009 11:00PM
TOPICS
SA NewsWA NewsSportAFL
EXCLUSIVE: A JIGSAW puzzle is a key piece of Carlton superstar Chris Judd's lucrative contract with cardboard giant Visy.
The Herald Sun can reveal the list of obligations placed on Judd in his role as Visy's "environmental ambassador".
As well as the use of Judd's image on an environmental puzzle, his duties include providing green tips for the AFL footy record and appearing at Visy staff functions.
Cash payments from Visy to Judd - believed to total several hundred thousand dollars a year - come on top of his $1 million-a-season Carltonpay packet.

AFL chiefs have approved the arrangement.
Visy is owned by embattled billionaire and Blues powerbroker Dick Pratt.
Pratt, 74, stood down as Carlton president last year to face criminal charges that he lied to the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission over price-fixing.
The Visy deal is believed to have been a deciding factor in Judd choosing Carlton after he left West Coast Eagles in 2007.
Both Carlton and Visy have refused to disclose the size of Judd's off-field payments.
"The exact details of his contract with Visy are confidential," company spokesman Tony Gray said.
"We are more than happy with the arrangement and believe Chris has delivered excellent value for us."
Mr Gray said Judd would be the face of Visy's school program to be launched on World Environment Day in June.
He would also host lectures for schoolchildren in the Visy Sustainable Living Centre to be opened at Princes Park.
Blues spokesman Ian Coutts said he knew nothing of the arrangement.
"I have no idea. It's completely separate to Carlton," he said.
Judd has previously defended the Visy contract.
"What I do for them is largely based around increasing awareness of recycling," he said last year.
"One of Visy's major pushes is the use of recycling as a tool against climate change. I have done a couple of talks for them . . . I'm pretty green."
Judd's long-time partner Rebecca Twigley, a model and part-time speech pathologist at The Alfred hospital, has emerged as one of Melbourne's A-list personalities.
Coutts denied suggestions a public relations firm had been hired to help Judd improve his own image.
"I don't know where that has come from. It would be a pleasure if all of our players were like Chris Judd," he said.
"He presents as well as anyone - on and off the football field."


https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/ql...-revealed-ng-511b660996fc784a917d11164dc3acf2

“It is believed this, it is believed that”. What’s the purpose of posting what some jounro believes?
 
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Dick was found gulity & the other guy was looking for a job. Fair enough too.

Nope. Visy the company was fined and the execs who hatched the scheme were fined. Pratt himself was never fined.

The collusion’s aim was to cease a long running price war, not hike high prices higher. Just to stop undercutting the market (which in duopoly means each other) and allow prices to rise along with CPI like most other products. It was the right decision for both companies and fair for customers; the idea of being “ripped off” is actually based on customers losing access to unsustainable under market prices. The only problem is, the execs talked about it and agreed upon it. That agreement is the civil matter for they were brought before the court.

But I get it, people read a headline and with a slither of perspective, grab their pitchforks and forget the millions this guy gave to charity, the billions he distributed to employees, from a company he build ground up. I mean the guy was far from an angel, but gives me pause for thought about the comparative contributions from those who sit in judgement.
 

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“It is believed this, it is believed that”. What’s the purpose of posting what some jounro believes?

Agreed. A judges findings are far more reputable.

https://www.smh.com.au/business/visy-and-pratt-fined-36m-over-price-fixing-20071102-gdrhy2.html

Justice Heerey said Visy's actions were "calculated and premeditated" and the case was the "worst cartel to come before the court in the 30-plus years since cartel behaviour has been illegal" in Australia.

"There cannot be any doubt that Mr Pratt also knew (along with Debney and Carroll) that the cartel, to which he gave his approval, and in which he has admitted to be knowingly concerned, was seriously unlawful,'' Justice Heerey said.
"There is also the factor that the cartel was to operate for Mr Pratt's personal benefit, via his ownership, or part ownership, of Visy. This was not the case of any employee action out of some misguided sense of corporate loyalty.''
Pratt admitted to sanctioning the arrangement.
 

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Nope. Visy the company was fined and the execs who hatched the scheme were fined. Pratt himself was never fined.

There is a good reason why Pratt himself was never fined.

Only on Monday, prosecutors dropped criminal charges against the dying billionaire, saying it was unlikely the case could be concluded, given Pratt's advanced, terminal prostate cancer.
It was alleged Pratt misled the ACCC at a hearing in 2005 when he denied he had been involved in price fixing.

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news...k=6d0e9e1a40e13ecd2144aad9e124a868-1556075828
 

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https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...Vaw1fWGziTpiSZmCLJLoVjdZy&cshid=1555893514370

This thread is nonsense. AFL players get income (hopefully) from three sources. All are perfectly legit.

1. Their club contract
2. Promotional work. Paid by the AFL
3. Third party deals loooked after by their manager.

To single out Dylan's third party deal and call it cheating is really silly. Particularly as it is aimed at acquiring knowlege rather than money it seems.

What would be interesting ilto me s a discussion on the topic of player payments in general, and whether third party deals are appropriate. So much is unknown though and it seems the Bombers have been unusually frank, or this one leaked.

For those with an interest beyond trolling the Bombers I attach an interesting podcast on the financial arrangements from a players perspective.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...Vaw1fWGziTpiSZmCLJLoVjdZy&cshid=1555893514370
 
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lol no he won't. He's bloody part-time in a role to 'learn the property game', he will not have to lift a finger.

There seems to be heaps of 3rd party deals going around still - why did Visy and Judd cop so much s**t for it but something like this doesn't?
Is there really all that much to learn though in the property game?
 
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