Few quick photos above as I drove past today from inside a van.
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This discussion happened with Adelaide Oval and over 5 years or so it's shown to be a good size, once the attraction of "brand new stadium" wears off.So Townsville new rectangle stadium is opening next month with an open day, followed by Elton John.
I wonder, should it have been bigger than the 25-26,500 seats, since that is roughly the same capacity as the old stadium?
Although admittedly the average crowd size for the Cowboys has dropped off significantly from before 2010 even despite winning the 2015 Premiership. But maybe crowds will go back up with the new facilities and location.
"If the Queensland budget was strong the state would be able to do what Victoria and NSW do and fund it with their own money," he said.
Yes I think that the key take away point of the AFR article were that the stadium was projected to return only 21 cents for each dollar invested to build it over 30 years. Further, that it was built at the expense of more viable options. It is the classic definition of a white elephant. Of course now built, this stadium needs to be maintained and probably refurbished in 15-20 years as the tropical elements and sea air have their effects. Anyway, happy new year Kwality.In this climate what constitutes a strong budget is academic. Currently its about the ability to borrow.
Cost benefit analysis in the public sector tends to start with desired result & the analysis developed to meet that desired result.
Yes I think that the key take away point of the AFR article were that the stadium was projected to return only 21 cents for each dollar invested to build it over 30 years. Further, that it was built at the expense of more viable options. It is the classic definition of a white elephant. Of course now built, this stadium needs to be maintained and probably refurbished in 15-20 years as the tropical elements and sea air have their effects. Anyway, happy new year Kwality.
The 13 home games a year certainly won't be the only events held there. There have already been Non-NRL events there in Covid times.
It'll cost Taxpayers' money - you bet. So do freeways, police, public transport, the Armed Forces ( ), Fireworks , Pollies' generous Super - the list goes on and on.
It will ( and has ) provide a large influx of people to the CBD on event days that will help local businesses. Not to mention the Airlines.
These things can't always be "cost-benefitted"
I'm not an NRL fan and despite the obvious Pork-Barrelling it is actually nice to see some of "our" money coming back to our community - instead of being slurped up by the Capital city and surrounds. I'm sure you know the value of morale Roogal.
I realise Roogal that you placed this purely for informational purposes, but dry academic arguments don't always touch on the "real" benefits. How many major sporting facilities in the country would "do well" when judged under the same criteria? How long did they take to "come good"?
w***ers that take potshots after the fact would do better to look at their own contribution to society. Accountants would nearly be, to paraphrase Douglas Adams, "The first Bastards up against the wall" in MY revolution. Great at telling everyone what to do after its all over - not so good at getting out there and doing it. And what difference to the Punter in the street would State funding vs Federal funding make? - it's still our effing cash!!!!!
Things can be cost 'benefitted'. In political decisions on Government spending the benefit is never purely economic. Their are social benefits, as well as political benefits. Its called 'pork barreling'
Tourism bodies across the country look to support such ventures until they need to move on.
Your points are noted but those factors were already factored as part of the 21 cents return per 1 tax-payer dollar cost analysis. But we mere tax payers should never question or stand btween a good old fashioned political pork-barelling, or the scent of a Coaltion PM who thinks that he can win a marginal Queensland seat. I don't even think that the Liberal PM visited Victoria more than four times in the last Federal Election much less promise much more than a couple of billion dollars against the $14 billion promised to QLD. But when politics comes into play, the first casualty is always without exception ... common sense.White elephants need to be promoted to extract value.
In AFL footy terms its reflected by the move from the 'burbs to the CBD & the problems that can result.
In Townsville they are considering a permanent motor racing venue. https://www.velocitymagazine.com.au...permanent-motorsport-facility-for-townsville/
I pretty much don't give a rat's bum which side of the political spectrum Pork Barrels me. It won't effect my vote one iota and never has.
I'm actually just happy to see some of my community's cash come back at it.
If a good pork barrelling influences voters to that extent then we're really, REALLY in trouble re the attention span of your average voter.
The stadium is nice. It'll bring money into businesses and get lots of people into a city that they maybe otherwise wouldn't have gone to.
Townsville has pretty good facilities now and some good events. Covid actually screwed a few good International cricket fixtures here last year.
The city is really improving in terms of eating/drinking/entertainment venues.
The aforementioned facilities have had a major influence on small business stepping up with those offerings and choices.
Like I said before - not everything is just a dry old "Cost Benefit" equation.
We can all squeal about stuff happening in someone's backyard, but I reckon most of us will agree with line 2 above. Sometimes it's YOUR community that gets lucky.
I still can't justify in my head the bottomless Victorian money pit which is colloquially refered to as the 'Melbourne Formula 1 Grand Prix'.
Nor I, & I love the sport & the event.
The only point I'd make is that successive Vic Governments of both sides of politics have reviewed the GP contracts & renewed them. The same thing happened in SA.
Like the Australian Open Tennis, there are other bidders internationally keen to grab the events. I think that influences the price paid.
You might be interested to know the ordinary motor sport enthusiast would prefer money spent on permanent facilities not street circuits.
Over the last 20 years there have been many attempts in WA to move events from the permanent base to street circuits but failed. WA Tourism have supported the permanent facility.
The difference between the F1 Grand Prix and the Australian Open is that the latter draws 800,000 plus spectators and generates real money. The F1 Grand Prix perplexes me too. No idea why the state's taxpayers are underwriting that bottomless money pit. Same as for the Olympics, just $30 billion two week piss up for the rest of the world. No wonder there are now only 3 bidders stupid enough to put their hand to host 2032 Gsmes.Nor I, & I love the sport & the event.
The only point I'd make is that successive Vic Governments of both sides of politics have reviewed the GP contracts & renewed them. The same thing happened in SA.
Like the Australian Open Tennis, there are other bidders internationally keen to grab the events. I think that influences the price paid.
You might be interested to know the ordinary motor sport enthusiast would prefer money spent on permanent facilities not street circuits.
Over the last 20 years there have been many attempts in WA to move events from the permanent base to street circuits but failed. WA Tourism have supported the permanent facility.
There has been talk of moving Ng to a oerma track in Melbourne (Avalon and Sandown have been raised as options), but Bernie used to threaten us with losing the race if we moved away from a street circuit.
No idea what the Americans views on this are now.
Bernie always had another bid in his back pocket. Just as Melbourne gazumped Adelaide, Sydney 'white ants' ....& Asia wants more.
In the US F1 is not the holy grail of its motor sport, thats the Indy 500 running a US formula.
The difference between the F1 Grand Prix and the Australian Open is that the latter draws 800,000 plus spectators and generates real money. The F1 Grand Prix perplexes me too. No idea why the state's taxpayers are underwriting that bottomless money pit. Same as for the Olympics, just $30 billion two week piss up for the rest of the world. No wonder there are now only 3 bidders stupid enough to put their hand to host 2032 Gsmes.
Sydney is no chance. Bernie said as much, plan b is Jakarta
Bernie has been gone for a couple of years now (Jan 2017) when Liberty Media paid $US4.6bil for control.
as i said earlier, things may have changed with the yanks... BUT
the money from asia nukes what we can offer. if melbourne lose it, its leaving AU
Not so sure about Sydney.
I would love to read the justification for keeping it in Melbourne, anywhere in fact.