New Year, same Fev...

[zeeCFC]

Holiday cheer has expired

 

[jono25]

Holiday cheer has expired

No mate I am very cheery. But if somebody is just going to post something nonsensical on this blog (i.e. lets change the law to convict someone we don't like), I am going to call them on that garbage. When that person (and his cronies who always come to his aid) choose to then play the man rather than the ball...well hey. I guess it is too much on this forum to expect posters to actually justify the statements they make and stay at least partily on topic in responding.

I don't mind the personal abuse - makes it fun. But when people simply ocus on that and ignore the topic when asked a direct question - well that says a lot about them in my book.

 

[40yearBLUE]

So to paraphrase - you can't defend your stupid statement that the rules of evidence should be changed to ensure Fev is convicted (bias much?). You also can't point to a serious offence Fev has been convicted of to justify him being deregistered by the AFL. So instead you choose to personally attack me.

Feel free to continue to do so - I enjoy putting the likes of you in your place. But don't for a second think you are fooling anyone, other than your bum chums on here - you are a pathetic little man that is envious of anyone who has achieved something in life.

I have already, quite clearly articulated what I think ought to happen to the likes of Fev. But let me restate them for those that profess to be research junkies but alas prove to be serial BluePriders.

He would have been, as any AFL player that transgresses the lines of morality and social values (as set out in the HUN's editorial pages, perhaps we can get that other beacon of reason Bolta to adjudicate) regardless of if laws were broken, would have been sacked for a ........now wait for it as it may come as a bit of a shock.......first and only offence.

If the club or AFL has to have a press conference to attempt any form of apology then it is goodbyeski. That is the social contract they would be signing on to if the AFL had any balls or morality.

And while we are at it, the likes of you would be joining them in whatever shithole they decided to infest after they leave AFL. But that is just me, I am a hardass when it comes to public figures, I have no empathy, sympathy or tolerance for or of them or you or lawyers or scumbags who profess a social conscience whilst bragging and simultaneously complaining that they earnt $3500 for the morning but the "wife" (and what a token of emancipation she must be) spent $5000 at the sales bless her. (Are you sure Bluepride isnt writing your material?)

But this is not new, I have long articulated this. In fact before Fev was sacked I mentioned if I were in charge we would not have sacked him from the club we would have had him sit out the entire length of his contract at Preston, in their seconds, never to be promoted no matter what, bit harsh on Preston but we all have to dig in.

And just to round it out, you sad pathetic little pretense of a someone, I dont have the first clue what Thy does for a living nor do I care, I can judge the mans character by his utterances just as well as I can sadly judge yours. You dont know just how much money I have because I dont ever discuss it because it is irrelevant and not how character is measured. But you of course measure a man by whether or not he has an Armani or a Zegna. I prefer boardies and thongs in my semi retirement. I have done very nicely for myself thanks for asking. My experience of others that have done well are those that dont find the need to brag in fact they are often the most humble in direct proportion to their success, on the other hand, those that pretend to have done well often scream it loudly. This is pretty much a ubiquitous occurrence.

Guess where we think you fall there Francis Galbally? But hey keep em coming they are hilarious. No really, they are.

 

[OldBlueFan]

Post 74 you research giant in your field you, should just about cover it I would say.

Dont like Lionel Hutz or suitboy huh? Well how about pretentious, pompous and dissimulative tossbag?

Let me make it plain for you, from what little I have gleaned on here, I dislike your persona, and anyone that emulates your persona whether real or feigned. In fact just about anyone that measures a man by his hourly rate.

And therefore I find it difficult to remove that overarching color from my reading of your posts. Call it a failing for it is, but I dont apologize for it. In fact I find it perfect to re-energize by antagonizing the likes of you. Call it sport if you will, to while away the summer days.

I hope I have made myself unequivocally clear for you Clarance (Darrow).

And yet you still haven't addressed his point. Post #74 doesn't even come close.

 

[thylacine60]

No mate I am very cheery. But if somebody is just going to post something nonsensical on this blog (i.e. lets change the law to convict someone we don't like), I am going to call them on that garbage. When that person (and his cronies who always come to his aid) choose to then play the man rather than the ball...well hey. I guess it is too much on this forum to expect posters to actually justify the statements they make and stay at least partily on topic in responding.

Your a pussy sunshine and I bet you sit down to piss. It is a real shame your mother spead her legs for both the mail man and the janitor - perhaps the mixing of sperm from two losers ****ed you up so much it is not really your fault?

You're right, the personal abuse is seriously getting out of hand around here.

 

[bluepride]

In fact before Fev was sacked I mentioned if I were in charge we would not have sacked him from the club we would have had him sit out the entire length of his contract at Preston, in their seconds, never to be promoted no matter what, bit harsh on Preston but we all have to dig in.

You have a IQ very close to Brendans if you believe that.

 

[Jeremias]

If he believes what? What he would've done if he was in charge of the club?

 

[jono25]

I have already, quite clearly articulated what I think ought to happen to the likes of Fev. But let me restate them for those that profess to be research junkies but alas prove to be serial BluePriders.

He would have been, as any AFL player that transgresses the lines of morality and social values (as set out in the HUN's editorial pages, perhaps we can get that other beacon of reason Bolta to adjudicate) regardless of if laws were broken, would have been sacked for a ........now wait for it as it may come as a bit of a shock.......first and only offence.

If the club or AFL has to have a press conference to attempt any form of apology then it is goodbyeski. That is the social contract they would be signing on to if the AFL had any balls or morality.

And while we are at it, the likes of you would be joining them in whatever shithole they decided to infest after they leave AFL. But that is just me, I am a hardass when it comes to public figures, I have no empathy, sympathy or tolerance for or of them or you or lawyers or scumbags who profess a social conscience whilst bragging and simultaneously complaining that they earnt $3500 for the morning but the "wife" (and what a token of emancipation she must be) spent $5000 at the sales bless her. (Are you sure Bluepride isnt writing your material?)

But this is not new, I have long articulated this. In fact before Fev was sacked I mentioned if I were in charge we would not have sacked him from the club we would have had him sit out the entire length of his contract at Preston, in their seconds, never to be promoted no matter what, bit harsh on Preston but we all have to dig in.

And just to round it out, you sad pathetic little pretense of a someone, I dont have the first clue what Thy does for a living nor do I care, I can judge the mans character by his utterances just as well as I can sadly judge yours. You dont know just how much money I have because I dont ever discuss it because it is irrelevant and not how character is measured. But you of course measure a man by whether or not he has an Armani or a Zegna. I prefer boardies and thongs in my semi retirement. I have done very nicely for myself thanks for asking. My experience of others that have done well are those that dont find the need to brag in fact they are often the most humble in direct proportion to their success, on the other hand, those that pretend to have done well often scream it loudly. This is pretty much a ubiquitous occurrence.

Guess where we think you fall there Francis Galbally? But hey keep em coming they are hilarious. No really, they are.

Ok so in your view you believe the media (including the HUNs editorial page) should determine the criminal sanctions imposed on a person. Want to go back through history and apply that logical to several subsets of society e.g. aborigines, women etc. Surerly you don't believe the media is a better determinant of a person's fate than a legal system?

It seems from your post you also believe AFL players should be held to a higher standard than a typical employee/member of society. Plenty of people share that point of view so I can't say it is unreasonable (despite disagreeing with it) but I believe the way you rant on shows you actually have a real problem with AFL players. Query whether this is an inferiority complex or what the cause is? Either way it is a poor reflection of you as a person to blanket one part of society with your own stereotype/bias.

As for your comments about me and my profession charging by the hour (or in my case the 6 minute unit), do you also denounce doctors, engineers, many tradesman etc who embrace charging customers on a time basis?? Or just a particular hatred for lawyers, and if so why???

Finally, you seem to have a problem with someone earning money - why is that? You don't know me and can jump to whatever conclussions you want, but despite the money I earn I don't own Armani (nor would I want to), my wife and I have one car, a 2007 Rav 4 which we bought second hand (we live and work in the Brisbane CBD so don't need two cars until we have kids) or anything overly extravegent. I save away the large bulk of my money to set myself and my future kids up for life. Why do you have a problem with that? As for my wife spending 5k at the sales, big deal. She goes on a major shopping spree once or twice a year and I indulge her. Should I apologise for being able to do so? Not that it is any of your business, but more than half the $ she spent was on my pregnant sister in law, who can't afford great maternity clothes because her husband (my brother) is on a train driver's salary.

So really all your conotations and statements are based on your own personal prejudices, which really demonstrate what a pathetic person you are.

 

[bluepride]

Believer that would have been the better course taken by Carlton.

Making Fev play for the Bullants to teach him a lesson is what 30yr would have done, then we are very lucky people like you arent allowed within the walls of Carlton.

No Lucas
No Henderson
Pay Fevolas salary
Would have been in the headlines all season, and been a distraction not only to the players but the coach staff

But... yer we should have done that.

Dont worry about winning games, lets just try to reform all those within reach.

 

[jono25]

Not believe, not the correct term.

Making Fev play for the Bullants to teach him a lesson is what 30yr would have done, then we are very lucky peanuts like him are allowed within the walls of Carlton.

No Lucas
No Henderson
Pay Fevolas salary
Would have been in the headlines all season, and been a distrator not only to the players but the coach staff

But... yer we should have done that.

Dont worry about winning games, lets just try to reform all those within reach.

You have to love people like 30yr. Make an absolute mess of their own lives, first to jump in and criticise others, but when asked to suggest a solution, come up with someone so impractical and stupid, to demonstrate their total dislocation from reality!

What annoys me is that this bludger gets the same number of votes as a sane person at a ballet box.

 

[thylacine60]

You have to love people like 30yr. Make an absolute mess of their own lives, first to jump in and criticise others, but when asked to suggest a solution, come up with someone so impractical and stupid, to demonstrate their total dislocation from reality!

What annoys me is that this bludger gets the same number of votes as a sane person at a ballet box.

One of your best yet, Rudolph.

 

[bluepride]

 

[40yearBLUE]

And yet you still haven't addressed his point. Post #74 doesn't even come close.

You mean he has one? I stated that I thought the AFL were compromised as were his club, with the following from post 74:

Zee, call me a cynic but unfortunately I dont think he is. If he was going to be gone he would have been long ago but everyone seems to scared to act or worse to invested to act.

I dont think any action is being taken for him because the AFL does not really want him gone, on the contrary it has value invested in him.

The first thing a government says when it wants to hide something is that it intends to be open and transparent, and then it systematically buries whatever was the original information with obfuscation.

The AFL has had ample opportunity to invoke its code of conduct rules and has failed to act. It must surely be time to ask why when clearly the majority feel he has had ample opportunity to stop trashing the club or the code and setting altogether the wrong example for the more impressionable among us.

And of course we as a society have immense and often unfathomable problems with alcohol abuse and instead of removing from public office, and that is essentially what being an AFL footballer is, public office assigned by football ability, and with that office comes privilege not bestowed on the rest of the bill paying proletariat. No on the contrary, they are rewarded with ever bigger contracts, tv deals, book deals etc. And all the while the pusher, the Brewers and Distillers are major sponsors. Please, dont get me started on the utter utter hypocracy this represents.

But I thought all of the above was implicit in my highlighted passage. Silly me.

 

[jono25]

You're right, the personal abuse is seriously getting out of hand around here.

Oh dear resorting to previous threads to attempt to make a point. ODN asked in another more recent thread that we all grow up and stay on topic, have been trying to do so. Not me hurling the insults tonight champ - just you and your mate.

Again you won't state whether you agree with 30yr that the legal system should be changed to ensure Fev is convicted. Do you agree with his statement?

You also continue to attack me because I am upfront about my personal circumstances. Yet despite being called on by numerous posters to explain your personal situation you refuse to do so. You are well within your rights as this is a public form but surerly you see the hypocrisy in attacking someone based on their personal circumstances whilst staying silent on your own?? The small target strategy doesn't work in politics champ and it won't work here.

 

[thylacine60]

It's actually spelling but hey, truth is your enemy right, bl?

 

[zeeCFC]

Yeah coz I hate those toffs in private boxes at the ballet!

 

[jono25]

One of your best yet, Rudolph.

Oh dear now you resort to picking up spelling mistakes! Way to win the argument Thy - I bow to your intelligence.

Nothing to do with the fact I am watching the tennis and touch typing, so not exactly proof reading...but hey you take your phyric victory champ!

 

[OldBlueFan]

You're right, the personal abuse is seriously getting out of hand around here.

Hate to point this out to you Thy, but the personal abuse in this particular thread most definitely has it's origins with 30YB and your good self (unless that second quote has been deleted since posted and appeared earlier in this thread - but we can't tell cos there's no link on it).

While J25 might have said some unsavoury things in the past and in other threads, doesn't really justify using them completely out of context as another form of personal attack ... but that's just my opinion of course.

 

[bluepride]

it's actually spelling but hey, truth is your enemy right, bl?

 

[jono25]

Yeah coz I hate those toffs in private boxes at the ballet!

been to the ballet once in my life mate - walked out at intermission and drank scotch with the bartender whilst the Mrs went back in with her mother. Not my thing and thankfully I don't get forced to go to it!

 

[blue gunslinger]

don't normally get personal but jono and blue pride remind me so much of CP it is uncanny

 

[thylacine60]

Oh dear resorting to previous threads to attempt to make a point. ODN asked in another more recent thread that we all grow up and stay on topic, have been trying to do so. Not me hurling the insults tonight champ - just you and your mate.

Again you won't state whether you agree with 30yr that the legal system should be changed to ensure Fev is convicted. Do you agree with his statement?

You also continue to attack me because I am upfront about my personal circumstances. Yet despite being called on by numerous posters to explain your personal situation you refuse to do so. You are well within your rights as this is a public form but surerly you see the hypocrisy in attacking someone based on their personal circumstances whilst staying silent on your own?? The small target strategy doesn't work in politics champ and it won't work here.

You'll find out bits and pieces if you keep yourself nice. Why would I tell you anything about myself anyway? My income and employment have zero to do with this thread although I'm told yours does. As for agreeing with 30YO, mostly I'm here to annoy the likes of delusional wannabes like yourself but I'll give the question a little thought for you.

 

[thylacine60]

don't normally get personal but jono and blue pride remind me so much of CP it is uncanny

someone had to say it...

 

[dumb]

expecting players to adhere to principles means that you have to adhere to them yourself. sometimes you have to suck it up and realize that you just won't get to enact petty moralistic vengeance, at least not without trampling over some other principle. i hear the idea of changing the definition of evidence to convict, and i think of the USA definition of torture amended so they can waterboard.

anyone who wants to live a principled moral life, and then suggests changing the definition of evidence to suit a whim is a hypocrite. maybe fev is a w***er but setting the precedent of making that little extra leap to some sort of conviction based on the circumstantial and unknown...? it'd have disastrous ramifications and i can't believe it's being argued.

at that point it comes down to what kind of conviction is being argued here - jail time? sacking? i think clubs should be able to sack for whatever they want, but they don't because they know they'll bear the brunt. it's that balancing act which sees them retain players of questionable behaviour. there's also the balancing between what they want on the field, and the humans that inevitably make mistakes off it... ditto allowing personal freedoms/nanny-state beliefs.
jail time? i don't even need to argue against it. the courts take care of that. changing the definition of evidence might seem like fun but it's not going to wash, it's as simple as that. it's not going to get anyone far, so you'll have to come up with something else. if you're going to have a tantrum because the courts won't accept you've changed the definition of evidence you may as well set up a new country or principality. i mean, that is how ridiculous that statement is. it's a simple whim and nothing more.

anyway, latest incident is pretty mild compared to some of fevs.

but the asking for leave does seem to continue along the lines of old fev... this is fev 'recognizing his problems', and then 'going to change'.

 

[blue gunslinger]

You'll find out bits and pieces if you keep yourself nice. Why would I tell you anything about myself anyway? My income and employment have zero to do with this thread although I'm told yours does. As for agreeing with 30YO, mostly I'm here to annoy the likes of delusional wannabes like yourself but I'll give the question a little thought for you.

thylacine
employment-on the pension
income - not enough to cover his medication costs