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["The Roar Is Back"]

3 of our top 5 players who had hugely interrupted pre-seasons , Newy , Jack and Lids , have had slightly more spasmatic seasons than some expectations ?
Outstanding leader and great player who should possibly be playing within our midfield , IIRC , 7 days ago we were hearing extensively how the rebound from Lids and Newy made our half back line the best in the AFL ?

 

[Rayzorwire]

It's always a bit sad to watch the people who insist Newman is a champion scramble to come up with defenses for him like 'I can name ten other players who were worse'...they're continually confirming exactly what the people who rate him properly say about him; that when his best and his worst are evened out over a season he always comes out an average player with a very dubious habit of going AWOL when it counts.

We're talking about a player who has polled Brownlow votes in only six of his 185 games despite almost always playing on the weakest opposition forward, and can anyone name a few games where the difference between us winning and losing was Newman? I'm not a person who thinks a captain needs to be the best player, or even in the best ten players, but I do think that if they can't lead on being the best or being a very smart and vocal tactical leader, they need to lead with their heart and their deeds when the club needs them and inspire their teammates through their obvious desire to not want to blow the game.

How many times through Newman's captaincy or indeed his career have we been able to say something along the lines of 'we would have suffered a humiliating loss to Port Adelaide BUT Chris Newman ran his heart out and stood tall with a succession of decisive I50 goal assists and hard ball get rebounds out of defense in the 3rd quarter which swung the game our way, punishing the opposition coach's decision to play a 13 game kid on him?'

I struggle to come up with any examples, not a single one, but I'll concede someone out there may be able to scratch up half a dozen examples, perhaps even a number of those being highly debatable.

Winning premierships is about not accepting mediocrity and about finding the heart and the hunger to get over the line in games you MUST win. A team with premiership ambitions 100% requires a leader who can click into top gear and stand up when it counts more times than not - the case against Newman ever being that player is infinitely more convincing than the case that he is an excellent candidate for the job.

He's been a solid player for us over a number of years and good value for where we drafted him, he's obviously a good bloke and respected by his teammates, but as a player judged on his merits like everyone else he's a good kick and nothing more - not a great player and he's certainly not a great on-field leader. On a board where teenagers and fringe players are routinely blasted to shreds over far more minor cases of 'letting the side down,' the fact Newman almost always entirely escapes criticism is beyond belief to the point you swear there must be either magic involved or something funny in the Melbourne tap water.

 

[El Tigre]

3 of our top 5 players who had hugely interrupted pre-seasons , Newy , Jack and Lids , have had slightly more spasmatic seasons than some expectations ?
Outstanding leader and great player who should possibly be playing within our midfield , IIRC , 7 days ago we were hearing extensively how the rebound from Lids and Newy made our half back line the best in the AFL ?

So it looks like we are up for a mid season purple patch when they come "on line"

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

It's always a bit sad to watch the people who insist Newman is a champion scramble to come up with defenses for him like 'I can name ten other players who were worse'...they're continually confirming exactly what the people who rate him properly say about him; that when his best and his worst are evened out over a season he always comes out an average player with a very dubious habit of going AWOL when it counts.

We're talking about a player who has polled Brownlow votes in only six of his 185 games despite almost always playing on the weakest opposition forward, and can anyone name a few games where the difference between us winning and losing was Newman? I'm not a person who thinks a captain needs to be the best player, or even in the best ten players, but I do think that if they can't lead on being the best or being a very smart and vocal tactical leader, they need to lead with their heart and their deeds when the club needs them and inspire their teammates through their obvious desire to not want to blow the game.

How many times through Newman's captaincy or indeed his career have we been able to say something along the lines of 'we would have suffered a humiliating loss to Port Adelaide BUT Chris Newman ran his heart out and stood tall with a succession of decisive I50 goal assists and hard ball get rebounds out of defense in the 3rd quarter which swung the game our way, punishing the opposition coach's decision to play a 13 game kid on him?'

I struggle to come up with any examples, not a single one, but I'll concede someone out there may be able to scratch up half a dozen examples, perhaps even a number of those being highly debatable.

Winning premierships is about not accepting mediocrity and about finding the heart and the hunger to get over the line in games you MUST win. A team with premiership ambitions 100% requires a leader who can click into top gear and stand up when it counts more times than not - the case against Newman ever being that player is infinitely more convincing than the case that he is an excellent candidate for the job.

He's been a solid player for us over a number of years and good value for where we drafted him, he's obviously a good bloke and respected by his teammates, but as a player judged on his merits like everyone else he's a good kick and nothing more - not a great player and he's certainly not a great on-field leader. On a board where teenagers and fringe players are routinely blasted to shreds over far more minor cases of 'letting the side down,' the fact Newman almost always entirely escapes criticism is beyond belief to the point you swear there must be either magic involved or something funny in the Melbourne tap water.

Tom Harley ?

He is admired an respected by his teammates and some say , more so than any captain we've had in the past 2 decades , that alone suggests to me he's a very good option ?
The fact he was is in the early days as captain seen the removal of Wallace shouldn't be ever forgotten .

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

So it looks like we are up for a mid season purple patch when they come "on line"

Opposition dependent , but our pre - season injuries, and some players form , always indicated to me that our 2nd half of the year would be better based on the players who we had seen previously .

 

[El Tigre]

Opposition dependent , but our pre - season injuries, and some players form , always indicated to me that our 2nd half of the year would be better based on the players who we had seen previously .

Not sure what you mean. You saying the likes of Moore, Astbury, Griffiths, Moreton...?
I always thought that between rounds 10 to 16 would be our "best" footy, and depending on the draw (which is probably leaning towards being kinder to us), whether we would be coming out with wins, or not as bad losses. I just hope we are in top form for the Blues game. Its the one that i would absolutely love to win.

 

[acr2751]

It's always a bit sad to watch the people who insist Newman is a champion scramble to come up with defenses for him like 'I can name ten other players who were worse'...they're continually confirming exactly what the people who rate him properly say about him; that when his best and his worst are evened out over a season he always comes out an average player with a very dubious habit of going AWOL when it counts.

We're talking about a player who has polled Brownlow votes in only six of his 185 games despite almost always playing on the weakest opposition forward, and can anyone name a few games where the difference between us winning and losing was Newman? I'm not a person who thinks a captain needs to be the best player, or even in the best ten players, but I do think that if they can't lead on being the best or being a very smart and vocal tactical leader, they need to lead with their heart and their deeds when the club needs them and inspire their teammates through their obvious desire to not want to blow the game.

How many times through Newman's captaincy or indeed his career have we been able to say something along the lines of 'we would have suffered a humiliating loss to Port Adelaide BUT Chris Newman ran his heart out and stood tall with a succession of decisive I50 goal assists and hard ball get rebounds out of defense in the 3rd quarter which swung the game our way, punishing the opposition coach's decision to play a 13 game kid on him?'

I struggle to come up with any examples, not a single one, but I'll concede someone out there may be able to scratch up half a dozen examples, perhaps even a number of those being highly debatable.

Winning premierships is about not accepting mediocrity and about finding the heart and the hunger to get over the line in games you MUST win. A team with premiership ambitions 100% requires a leader who can click into top gear and stand up when it counts more times than not - the case against Newman ever being that player is infinitely more convincing than the case that he is an excellent candidate for the job.

He's been a solid player for us over a number of years and good value for where we drafted him, he's obviously a good bloke and respected by his teammates, but as a player judged on his merits like everyone else he's a good kick and nothing more - not a great player and he's certainly not a great on-field leader. On a board where teenagers and fringe players are routinely blasted to shreds over far more minor cases of 'letting the side down,' the fact Newman almost always entirely escapes criticism is beyond belief to the point you swear there must be either magic involved or something funny in the Melbourne tap water.

spot on 10 players worse only puts him mid range.

some of the treatment on this board of the younger players in comparison is laughable.

as i said he seems untouchable

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Not sure what you mean. You saying the likes of Moore, Astbury, Griffiths, Moreton...?
I always thought that between rounds 10 to 16 would be our "best" footy, and depending on the draw (which is probably leaning towards being kinder to us), whether we would be coming out with wins, or not as bad losses. I just hope we are in top form for the Blues game. Its the one that i would absolutely love to win.

I'd expect the performance and ability of those player who weren't recruited via the ND this season would be better in the later half of the year .
We started the season with Lids, Newy , Jack , Nason , Griffiths , Post , Goo , Taylor and Moore all having interrupted or no pre season . Edwards , Astbury , Connors , Morton and Grahams pre season form was IMO below expectation , Foley was returning, Grigg and Houli were new to the club and Cotchin was always going to improve as the season progessed .
During the latter half of the year it wouldn't surprise if the players drafted in the ND become tired .
The problem we have is Moore still hasn't played a game, personally I think season 2011 for him is shot , Grimes now likewise , Morton , Connors and Taylor MIA .

 

[acr2751]

pretty ordinary thread, Newy is in career best form right now, yep he had an ordinary one, as did ea member of leadership group with exception of foley...he's prob had 7 good games and 2 poor ones. that's why their is a number of leaders in the side to sppread the load, it was my major dissapointment that no one else stood tall against the tide

yes sums up what i am saying career best form is just average

it is more like 2 good games 7 average to poor games

i dont think he stood tall against the tide either

 

[acr2751]

Tom Harley ?

He is admired an respected by his teammates and some say , more so than any captain we've had in the past 2 decades , that alone suggests to me he's a very good option ?
The fact he was is in the early days as captain seen the removal of Wallace shouldn't be ever forgotten .

very good player/captain locked down on many forwards and his captaincy was very visable held the cup up too

i hope leading the revolt against a coach is not his claim to fame.

 

[Private Hudson]

i have done a search and cant find a lot of content for our captain discussing his pro's and cons.(is he untouchable?)

it seems to me he goes missing quite a bit, his best (which is very good) is a long way from his worst.
defensively i think he is just passable,his rebound from defense can be very good or not at all,he hardly ever takes a turn in the midfield if at all.
i hear a lot about his off field leadership but what about his on field leadership i never see him directing traffic or even addressing the players on the ground.

any way just puting it out there for discussion

listen hear matey, obvously you have abosolutly no idea about the game if you are questioning chris newman as a player and a captain, if he were to play in a top four or top six side people would be getting hard ons watching him play, i am a north supporter so there is no bias in this comment, newman is the most underated captain in the comp, the man could kick the ciggarette out of your mouth with the ball from 45 meteres away. and look at his supercoach scores if you want to get technical

 

[strav]

i have done a search and cant find a lot of content for our captain discussing his pro's and cons.(is he untouchable?)

it seems to me he goes missing quite a bit, his best (which is very good) is a long way from his worst.
defensively i think he is just passable,his rebound from defense can be very good or not at all,he hardly ever takes a turn in the midfield if at all.
i hear a lot about his off field leadership but what about his on field leadership i never see him directing traffic or even addressing the players on the ground.

any way just puting it out there for discussion

Whats the matter with you. Is this the best you can come up with. A "Bag another Player Thread". be a little more imaginative.

 

[ize_]

Weird how Chris Newman lists himself as a North supporter on BigFooty

 

[Spagman]

Newman an average player? His supercoach tally this year says otherwise.

 

[RichoRichoRicho]

+1

Newman has been a rock for this team
Remember first 3 months of last year?

The guy is a great player. No not our best. Ling is captain of Geelong...and for reasons other than he is their best player.

Newman is often referred to as being one of the most respected captains. Sorry bigfooty writers but chances are they are right for a good reason or two

 

[nastytiger]

Newman an average player? His supercoach tally this year says otherwise.

Supercoach points are you serious your basing a defence for him on supercoach





The brains around this site make me laugh.

Lets argue his defensive ability, skills (which are very good), ability to break lines and the consistancy he does it, and his leadership

Maybe someone will throw in forward 50 entries and score involvement stats, maybe the number of spoils and contested marks in the back 50 also.

I have no problem with Newman wish he were more consistant and have no problem with him leading the team this year or any of the previous years next year i wouldnt mind a change

 

[acr2751]

Newman an average player? His supercoach tally this year says otherwise.

super coach score

our games are not played on a computer, super coach scores do not reflect what your direct opponent does on the day.
as a 180 plus game defender whose primary role is too defend then attack who was the last player of any standing that newman has locked down on?

lets look at the coaches votes for the year(more important than super coach) newman has 4 votes from the essendon game which gives him a total of 4 for the year 9th on of all our players and 42 votes behind the overall leader (judd) which i think is just average

 

[LuKe2428]

Anyone doubting Chris is obviously not watching the right team. This guy would kill for Richmond to get into a final's series. I agree with the North supporter that he is arguably the best kick in the league, good decision maker and a really good captain and the boys look up to him as well. Nothing more you want in a captain. I will go ahead and say Chris would be a captain then 90% of our playing will ever be and one of the best in the league. Keep going Chris your obviously doing something right because where only going up on the ladder.

 

[LuKe2428]

i have done a search and cant find a lot of content for our captain discussing his pro's and cons.(is he untouchable?)

it seems to me he goes missing quite a bit, his best (which is very good) is a long way from his worst.
defensively i think he is just passable,his rebound from defense can be very good or not at all,he hardly ever takes a turn in the midfield if at all.
i hear a lot about his off field leadership but what about his on field leadership i never see him directing traffic or even addressing the players on the ground.

any way just puting it out there for discussion

He play's the same role as Hodge and Goddard. There defensive work is just passable. He can't be everywhere on the ground so he can direct traffic. Sorry mate he only has 2 arm's and 2 legs. Do you want him attacking or standing next to the player directing traffic?

 

[nastytiger]

He play's the same role as Hodge and Goddard. There defensive work is just passable. He can't be everywhere on the ground so he can direct traffic. Sorry mate he only has 2 arm's and 2 legs. Do you want him attacking or standing next to the player directing traffic?

if your comparing newman to goddard and hodge, have rocks in your head!!!


Goddard and Hodge are out and out guns!! I would have no problem swapping Newman for either of these two, and the majority of this board would do the same! Nobody is saying Newman is a dud but you put him in the same category as these two is just stupid!

There is nothing wrong with newman and nobody is calling him a dud potentially he has the talent to be a better than what he is!

and the whole point to this debate is to ask why he isn't as good as he could be, personally myself and im sure a few others would agree with me that he could/should be better than what he is! especially with his ability!




Is it wrong to ask a bloke that wears the richmond jumper with so much pride too play to his full potential?

 

[mcuzzy]

ITT: fair few idiots who don't understand footy and have never properly played a team sport

It's not all about the stats or super ****** **** coach points you get

he has acknowledged he is a bit inconsistent at the moment, yet he is still playing pretty well and he's a great captain

take a shot at the whole team, not just one player

 

[dothebowdenshuffle]

Fact is, every week we jig our defense solely around Newman's failings as a player. Because we always try to play him on the weakest small forward match-up, any combination of Deledio, Houli, Grigg or Batchelor get a tougher opponent. So we could be freeing up Deledio, instead we free up Newman because it's the only way he won't leak goals, we can't play him on a genuinely dangerous small or a marking medium forward. I know which way I'd prefer we went about this problem; move Newman to the forward half of the ground and hope his kicking can outweigh the fact the opposition will play someone who kills him in open field running on him.

Played on Steve Johnson a couple of years ago and although we lost by 10 goals he beat Johnson easily, consistently out positioning him in 1 on 1 contests. Think it was 2008 or 2009 - a Saturday night at Etihad. I know that's just one example, but it certainly left an impression at the time.

 

[Dr Awkward]

He is a solid/good player. Plays the occaisional great game but generally plays a pretty average/normal game.

Pros: An excellent kick, very rarely causes turnovers. He is probably the player that I feel least nervous when he is about to dispose of the ball. Plays reasonably tough and hard at the contest. Shows some leadership qualities through action on the field. Players seem to have no problem with him as captain and respect him. Generally a good decision maker. I would probably describe him as a poor man's Matthew Knights in back pocket form (which is a compliment).

Cons: His biggest downside is that he is no longer a particularly good defender. He isn't able to play on the really good forwards any more like he used to against Stevie J, Milne, Betts...etc. His role is pretty inflexible, he pretty much MUST play as a rebounding defender and also chips in with spoils and tackles in the backline. Sometimes is left behind by quicker and more agile players.

I think he probably seems immune to criticism from some people because he never plays multiple bad games in a row and thus never really exposes himself to criticism.

It's hard for us to say what kind of captain he is, we're not around the club. Don't really think he is overrated or underrated.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Anyone think his form post leg break is better than any other player who has experienced such a break ?

 

[Bojangles17]

his last 18mths has been career best form, he is a great leader amongst the playing group and admired in the footy industry far and wide...I haven't bothered reading the entire thread, my guess is the knock on his defensive abilities. yep he is more offensive than defensive, he is the go to man clearing the pill from defensive 50 and does it very very well