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[neroblack]

Preferable tho if everyone took 9/11 talk to the thread over there.

Keep this for WW3

Kinda amusing though that most people who think the attack on the world trade centre was orchestrated by the US Govt are the same people who think we're actually close to WW3. Surely that can't just be a coincidence???

 

[Doc_]

Ok, So we dont want to talk about no fighters bring scrambled on the morning of 9/11 anymore?

So "lots of men in overalls" set up a the demolition of the WTC in a couple of days, not months, and some "fire trucks had been seen in the early hours of the morning at the twin towers in the lead up to the attacks"?
Presumably the fire trucks were there to help the "lots of guys in overalls" get the job finished in time for the grand piece if theatre to play out????

 

[Doc_]

Eyewitness admission of a number of power downs in the towers in the days before the incident and lots of men in overalls working in the top half of the buildings.

Hang on a minute GG. There was not a "number of power downs in the towers". There was ONE. In tower 2 ONLY, not both towers. It lasted 36 hours. Hardly time enough to rig for demolition.
It was from approximately the 50th floor up. Only "several" maintenance workers were spotted at that time. Not lots. Hardly unusual as the power down was for upgrading cabling.
This is from THE ONLY WITNESS of the said "lots of men in overalls", Scott Forbes. Nice editing of his interview by Scholars for 9/11 Truth & Justice BTW.
The full transcript of that interview is available here : http://killtown.blogspot.com.au/2005/12/scott-forbes-interview.html
Hardly convincing when you look at ALL THE FACTS of the said reports of "lots of men in overalls".

Now, would you care to share with us betchsta, where you got the evidence of the said fire trucks on the morning of 9/11 from?

 

[Upgrayedd]

Rather talk about a possibility of Would war 3 (World V North Korea) Rather then 911 crap guys.

I don't think China would get involved. However to say it wont do the China/US relations any good unless it was USA attacking after North Korea fired first, even with that China would ask US to stop before wiping the country off the map

Ok, So we dont want to talk about no fighters bring scrambled on the morning of 9/11 anymore?

But Damn i cant help this. There were a few tests going on the day previous and the day in question, It

it was reported, just 20 minutes to intercept is cutting it pretty close from when it was reported. Whether it's a giant conspiricy or just poor human error remains to be seen, However bending this to arguments is circumstancial and theories rather then facts.

 

[Gough]

Have the North Koreans nuked DC yet?

 

[Upgrayedd]

Have the North Koreans nuked DC yet?

Unless they are sourcing Missiles out of China i doubt they have the technology, I doubt it could reach Washington Let alone to hit Washington DC without the US intercepting it.

If Anything Korea have developed short ranged missiles for Japan/South Korea, not to attack the US, It's a death-wish

IF WW3 were to happen it would be N Korea attacking Japan/S Korea, I doubt China would get involved unless USA decided to bomb them out of some sort of spite for not helping out.

 

[betchsta]

Hang on a minute GG. There was not a "number of power downs in the towers". There was ONE. In tower 2 ONLY, not both towers. It lasted 36 hours. Hardly time enough to rig for demolition.
It was from approximately the 50th floor up. Only "several" maintenance workers were spotted at that time. Not lots. Hardly unusual as the power down was for upgrading cabling.
This is from THE ONLY WITNESS of the said "lots of men in overalls", Scott Forbes. Nice editing of his interview by Scholars for 9/11 Truth & Justice BTW.
The full transcript of that interview is available here : http://killtown.blogspot.com.au/2005/12/scott-forbes-interview.html
Hardly convincing when you look at ALL THE FACTS of the said reports of "lots of men in overalls".

Now, would you care to share with us betchsta, where you got the evidence of the said fire trucks on the morning of 9/11 from?

Did I say I had actual evidence myself ?

Do you have you're own evidence of what happened on the actual day itself, or are you just going by what's available over the net ?

I'm just going by some audio from people who said they saw firetrucks at the twin towers early in the mornings in the lead up to the attacks.

 

[exe ex machina]

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[EagleMan87]

North Koreas plan would be attacking japan and south korea. Or inciting the usa to send troops and ships to the region and then attacking those.

In the process or before the process somehow getting support from china russia. Or maybe nth korea would try to align with other anti usa nations like iran who could create a theater of war in the mid east

Like germany italy and japan aligning.

Hasn't China agreed to the UN sanctions against NK?

 

[Tiff]

North Korea does not have the technology. They're stuck in the 50's and they have no money.

 

[Iason]

Bahaha, You're familiar with him ?

I listen to his show a few times a week.

I think some stuff he says is over the top, but I believe what he is saying is the truth.

Sigh. The United States has destabilized entire governments because they were bored and nothing good was on TV.

Do you really think if Alex Jones was telling the "truth", he'd still be alive? He is an entertainer, nothing more.

 

[Tulip]

Very kind of the U.S. government to make sure the building collapsed on itself. At least they care about everybody else on the ground

 

[Doc_]

Rather talk about a possibility of Would war 3 (World V North Korea) Rather then 911 crap guys.

I don't think China would get involved. However to say it wont do the China/US relations any good unless it was USA attacking after North Korea fired first, even with that China would ask US to stop before wiping the country off the map


But Damn i cant help this. There were a few tests going on the day previous and the day in question, It

it was reported, just 20 minutes to intercept is cutting it pretty close from when it was reported. Whether it's a giant conspiricy or just poor human error remains to be seen, However bending this to arguments is circumstancial and theories rather then facts.

Listen to the tapes yourself. Its pretty obvious how things played out.



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I thought you didnt want to talk about this?

 

[The_Reaper]

North Koreas plan would be attacking japan and south korea. Or inciting the usa to send troops and ships to the region and then attacking those.

In the process or before the process somehow getting support from china russia. Or maybe nth korea would try to align with other anti usa nations like iran who could create a theater of war in the mid east

Like germany italy and japan aligning.

The main difference is that Germany and Japan were actually credible threats.

The USA is capable of demolishing Iran and North Korea quite easily as they did in Afghanistan and Iraq. If they stayed longer their would of course be issues.

Britain and France are capable of demolishing Iran and North Korea on their own.

 

[Upgrayedd]

North Koreas plan would be attacking japan and south korea. Or inciting the usa to send troops and ships to the region and then attacking those.

In the process or before the process somehow getting support from china russia. Or maybe nth korea would try to align with other anti usa nations like iran who could create a theater of war in the mid east

Like germany italy and japan aligning.

I dont know, I would be chucking the house on USA V North Korea/Iran/Syria If it was a full on war. None of this occupation and winning the hearts of people they pretty much fail at. I feel USA would flatten everyone and walk away, Much to the disgust of the UN however i doubt anything else would happen of it

 

[exe ex machina]

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[Gasometer]

WW3 has been going to happen after WW2 ended.

 

[betchsta]

Sigh. The United States has destabilized entire governments because they were bored and nothing good was on TV.

Do you really think if Alex Jones was telling the "truth", he'd still be alive? He is an entertainer, nothing more.

No because if he was killed for telling the truth it would be suspicious, I'm only new to his show, but I'd much rather consider what he is saying is the truth, rather than be naive about what is really happening in the world.

A lot of people who want to tell the truth are taken care of and killed, Just look Chris Dorner and what happened recently, He wanted to expose how corrupt and bad the LAPD really are, What did they do ?, Went after him and killed him,Sure he had no right to kill innocent people in the process, but that doesn't justify what the LAPD did to him in the end.

Reality is, Not everyone is going to like what Alex Jones has to say and will take it as a grain of salt, But I'd much rather be open minded about what he has to say and consider his opinions to be true & not be shocked if what he preaches turns out to be true by ignoring it and just thinking he is a scare monger.

 

[The_Reaper]

Russia picks a fight over Iran why?

They like the status quo but they won't get into a fight with America to protect it.

The Russians know that at the moment they are a paper tiger. The rest of the world knows it as well from their poor performance in Georgia

 

[exe ex machina]

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[The_Reaper]

All the more reason for them to engage and prove their capabilities.
Russia has defended Iran or Iranian interests before, has commented or made warnings against aggression towards Iran, by Israel/US.
If conflict flared up in the middle-east, it's in Russia's regional sphere too to have say, flex, concern about.

Russia is bluffing.
They won't go to war with the USA over Iran but they'd obviously support Iran in a Vietnam/Korean war way.
They'd probably go to war if one of the CIS nations were attacked though.

The Russians have no desire to get dragged into a massive and costly war that they'd probably lose.

 

[Andre]

The Russians have no desire to get dragged into a massive and costly war that they'd probably lose.

Exactly. For all the shit about the US and allies having trouble in Afghanistan the Russians have troubles still inside their OWN country they can't fix, in the caucasus region. If the US did end up in a war with North Korea, Russia (and China) would make noises but really just sit back and take advantage of the detrimental cost to the US economy to increase their own influence in the world.

 

[Howard Littlejohn]

I think it was Arthur C. Clarke who predicted decades ago a nuclear bomb will be dropped on a 3rd world country if/when it would happen again. He apparently had made some accurate predictions previously.

He got a lot of things right, and a lot of things wrong. Its the nature of being a "hard" science fiction writer with a solid scientific grounding.
As much as I like a lot of his work, though not aspects of his life, he wasn't a prophet or a particularly successful futurist. He did formulate the basic idea behind the geostationery satellite, was invlolved in the invention of radar for the Royal Air Force, forecast the rise of China as an economic power and space-faring nation, and popularised some "out there" ideas which are taken seriously now (most notably the possibility of life existing under the ice crust of Europa).

He also failed to predict the fall of the USSR, the internet, etc.


As for the topic at hand, being "on the brink of WWIII" seems somewhat unlikely.
North Korea, Iran, Syria are all problems - as are many other nations and non-government groups.
But they aren't new problems, and North Korea getting too aggressive doesn't suit China either so they would be shut down pretty quick if they did anything much more than aggressive posturing.

My uneducated view is that in North Korea's case it is largely to instil, or reinforce, nationalism and obedience to the state; but the leadership knows anything more than a minor naval infringement or whatever will not be tolerted by those in a position to overthrow/assassinate them.
North Korea has arguably the biggest single nation human rights problem in the world right now, but as a military and strategic one they need watching even though they aren't likely to do anything big.
They do appear to have nuclear capability of some sort now, whether they can yet use that capaility attached to a launch vehicle is questionable; but that may be more a bargaining chip than a genuine threat.

That does not mean an age of peace is at hand. Conflict will no doubt continue in much the same pattern as it has for decades, and really throughout human history.

 

[Gough]

He got a lot of things right, and a lot of things wrong. Its the nature of being a "hard" science fiction writer with a solid scientific grounding.
As much as I like a lot of his work, though not aspects of his life, he wasn't a prophet or a particularly successful futurist. He did formulate the basic idea behind the geostationery satellite, was invlolved in the invention of radar for the Royal Air Force, the rise of China as an economic power and space-faring nation, and popularised some "out there" ideas which are taken seriously now (most notably the possibility of life existing under the ice crust of Europa).

He also failed to predict the fall of the USSR, the internet, etc.

That was the the one very few futurists managed to pick. It's instructive to look at the bank balances these days of those that did.

 

[exe ex machina]

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