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I know what your saying however it still doesn't look and feel right
It's this national past time we seem to have in this country with an obsession that coaches can only be good if they have done it themselves at a top level and still can do things. That is so far from what makes a good successful coach.
 

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We need a coach that can get our players to get physical and hard at it...

We lack push, shove & mongrel
Tudor will deliver that

Pyke IMO is a hybrid of Craig & sando
 

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It's this national past time we seem to have in this country with an obsession that coaches can only be good if they have done it themselves at a top level and still can do things. That is so far from what makes a good successful coach.
Your evidence?

Which successful AFL coach did not have an AFL career? I reckon you should ask some players what the first thing they look for in a coach is.
 

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It's this national past time we seem to have in this country with an obsession that coaches can only be good if they have done it themselves at a top level and still can do things. That is so far from what makes a good successful coach.
Agreed. However, I would say that what helps a coach become successful is quality players first and foremost.

Whoever they decide upon does not have a bare cupboard to work with.
 

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Your evidence?

Which successful AFL coach did not have an AFL career? I reckon you should ask some players what the first thing they look for in a coach is.
This is akin to saying there are no women in top jobs, because if they can't do it. We know they can't do it, Because they haven't done it.

The point was, in other sports, you don't need to have been a great player, but actually be a good coach. Aussie Rules clubs generally only give jobs to ex-players - hence it is hard to point out a successful non-ex-player.
 

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Your evidence?

Which successful AFL coach did not have an AFL career? I reckon you should ask some players what the first thing they look for in a coach is.
When I said top level I meant not just playing at the highest playing level, but being one of the best players in that level. Apologies for not making that clearer.

For evidence, only look at Voss, Buckley, Hird and Roo. Four outstanding players who people all talked about coaching post career and kept pushing to happen. Out of that four, one is smart enough to not want to coach/know that is not his strength. One is going okay but there is still a little question mark regarding his own abilities versus what he took over / strength of the list. The other two were disasters for their clubs.

Bolton is going to be interesting to watch as he never played AFL, yet Hawthorn players talk about the respect they hold for him and that he is the coach who has wielded the 'big stick' at the club more than the angry man in Clarkson.

Most of the topline coaches were decent/okay backline players interestingly enough. Very few top line football coaches were the outstanding players, which is what most people talking about footy think is what is required.

I've been involved in coaching another sport and my family is still involved coaching at a very high level. I've observed some amazing top line coaches that never competed for their country at the highest level, but oh boy do they have the respect of their athletes.

Athletes sometimes are not the best judge of what a good coach is. ;)
 

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This is akin to saying there are no women in top jobs, because if they can't do it. We know they can't do it, Because they haven't done it.

The point was, in other sports, you don't need to have been a great player, but actually be a good coach. Aussie Rules clubs generally only give jobs to ex-players - hence it is hard to point out a successful non-ex-player.
At least Saint Kilda have recognised that gender isn't the be all and end all of ability to coach football. ;)

Look at my own sport of gymnastics - in Women's Gymnastics it is rare to find a female coach at the Olympic level. There are more men who coach successful Women's Gymnastics (which I sometimes find a little bit hinky at times considering the age of the girls involved).

I still love the quote from Bela Karolyi when he was first interviewed after arriving in the US to coach the US Women's team. A journalist talked about how he was going to cope in the US because of other sports like Football being considered more 'important' to a US audience. His response was "If gymnastics was easy, it would be called Football". :D
 

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At least Saint Kilda have recognised that gender isn't the be all and end all of ability to coach football. ;)

Look at my own sport of gymnastics - in Women's Gymnastics it is rare to find a female coach at the Olympic level. There are more men who coach successful Women's Gymnastics (which I sometimes find a little bit hinky at times considering the age of the girls involved).

I still love the quote from Bela Karolyi when he was first interviewed after arriving in the US to coach the US Women's team. A journalist talked about how he was going to cope in the US because of other sports like Football being considered more 'important' to a US audience. His response was "If gymnastics was easy, it would be called Football". :D
A - i had to look up 'hinky'
B - No wonder there are so few male JP teachers with attitudes like that ;)
 

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We need a coach that can get our players to get physical and hard at it...

We lack push, shove & mongrel
Tudor will deliver that

Pyke IMO is a hybrid of Craig & sando
I know little about Pyke...
I do know the only time Adelaide under Craig was tactically superior to the competiton was when Pyke was the the club..
And West Coast this year have been as tactically as impressive as any team I remember... Pyke supposedly has a big hand in that..
 

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it may have been the case however these processes are designed to put you under pressure, lets not forget that Bolton and Dew were also participating in finals and had to prepare for the AFC process, this in itself shines the light on your planning skills

Also interesting that Burns has missed a couple of roles after the AFC application

I think he is at risk of being branded as a bloody good assistant but not a senior coach

Good enough for the reserves but can't make the next step up.
 
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I honestly have no idea about Don Pike or what his abilities are. The Only thing I know is that for so long we have not been a side that is considered to be led by a coach who is tactically superior to other coaches in the AFL. With Walshy we got that but obviously under tragic circumstances we find our selves in the same situation again. I just hope that whoever is selected as the next Senior Coach of the AFC is someone with an elite tactical mind
 

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A - i had to look up 'hinky'
B - No wonder there are so few male JP teachers with attitudes like that ;)
It's the way certain of them interact that there are issues and cause my hinky factor to ramp up seeing it. Others are amazing coaches.

Unfortunately search the history of male gymnastic coaches and issues in the former eastern bloc country gymnasts. There are some horrible things that happened to those young girls - Olga Korbut is the prime example and so many people don't want to listen to what she has said. I have contacts within the international gymnastics community still a little bit and some of the things that still occur are not good :( But the chance for your child to be fed, have a stipend for life if they are successful... I can understand why a parent might make that decision not realising what really is in store for the child/young adult.
 

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We need a coach that can get our players to get physical and hard at it...

We lack push, shove & mongrel
Tudor will deliver that

Pyke IMO is a hybrid of Craig & sando
so your comments on Tudor is based on seeing him at one training session

your comments on Pkye, what do you base this on, didn't you admit that you know very little about Pyke?
 

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Confident we have Pyke locked and loaded. He has a brother that lives in Adelaide as well - is a physio.

I'm more interested in who else is on the coaching panel.

Do we get Lade? (That's what she said)
Does Glass move full time?

Could we add someone that can install a warrior attitude - a thus V them stick it up em character? M Williams anyone?

If we really want a flag and not more middle of the table, we need to go for it and stop playing safe.
 

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so your comments on Tudor is based on seeing him at one training session

your comments on Pkye, what do you base this on, didn't you admit that you know very little about Pyke?
Only gathering what I read or press videos and general here say!

My option is from that point, weak yes but I can't book a coffee with pyke to get to know him
 

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Confident we have Pyke locked and loaded. He has a brother that lives in Adelaide as well - is a physio.

I'm more interested in who else is on the coaching panel.

Do we get Lade? (That's what she said)
Does Glass move full time?

Could we add someone that can install a warrior attitude - a thus V them stick it up em character? M Williams anyone?

If we really want a flag and not more middle of the table, we need to go for it and stop playing safe.
I put together a post last year that had the coaching panel of the top 8, and the difference between those clubs and ours, where that they mostly had at least 1 or 2 guys with resumes that read like "coached own side in local league for 2 premierships, development coach here for 4 years, assistant for 3 years with 1 premiership, assistant for 5 years." etc. or a really experienced senior coach.

That we brought in Sanderson with basically Neil Craig's coaching panel and then didn't really change it for Walsh as far as adding more experience, this means we really should be looking at making some big changes, especially if we are not bringing in a coach who hasn't been doing it at some level for 15+ years.

It's clearly outdated now but I'll paste in anyway. I think Fremantle's probably stands out the most from ours, somebody as experienced as Ross Lyon, yet he has the support of multiple coaches that have been doing it since the late 90's

Richmond -

Brendan Lade - Forwards coach
A former teammate of Coach Damien Hardwick, Lade takes up the role as ruck/midfield coach after his stellar 234-game career with Port Adelaide came to an end last year.

Ross Smith - Defensive Analyst
He led ACT club Ainslie to a premiership in his first season as its captain-coach, in 1997, and was then involved in several successful stints at TAC Cup, VFL and AFL level, before becoming an assistant coach at Hawthorn in 2005 and was a part of their successful 2008 Premiership season.

Danny Daly - Midfield Stoppage Coach
Following six seasons at North Melbourne in various roles, Daly joined the Tigers at the beginning of Damien Hardwick's helm as coach of the club.

Mark Williams - Midfield Spread Coach
After three seasons at Melbourne working initially as a development coach and then as midfield coach, the former Carlton and Footscray player joined Richmond in October 2011.

Coached Sandringham to three consecutive VFL premierships from 2004-06. Looks after Richmond’s offensive structures and
its forwards.

Mark Williams - Senior Development Coach
Previously served as senior assistant coach at GWS, where he worked under Kevin Sheedy for two seasons.

Before that he was head coach of Port Adelaide for 11 years, leading the club to its first AFL premiership in 2004.

Essendon - we know most of them, less experienced but under Mark Thompson

Neil Craig

Simon Goodwin

Nathan Bassett

Mathew Egan - Assistant Coach

He was appointed as an assistant coach in Geelong’s VFL side in 2009 before becoming an assistant for the Geelong Cats in 2010

Kangaroos

Leigh Tudor - Senior Assistant

Calder Cannons Asst. Coach 2001-2003
Western Jets Coach 2004
Geelong VFL Coach 2005-2008: P'Ship 2007
St Kilda Asst. Coach 2009-2010
Sydney Asst. Coach 2011-2013
North Melbourne 2014-

Shane Watson - Forward Coach
Northern Bullants playing assistant coach: 2001-2003
Lower Plenty head coach: 2005
Sandringham Dragons/Vic. Metro assistant coach: 2006
Eastern Ranges head coach: 2007-2009
North Melbourne assistant coach (Backline): 2010-2013
North Melbourne assistant coach (Forwards): 2013-

Darren Crocker - Midfield
After retiring at the end of the 1998 season, Crocker started his coaching career at Port Melbourne in the VFL. He spent one year at the Borough as an assistant before moving to Richmond.

Crocker was also an assistant coach at the Tigers and spent four seasons at Punt Road. At the end of 2004 he returned to the Kangaroos.

Josh Drummond - Defence
North Melbourne development coach: 2013
North Melbourne assistant coach (Defence): 2013-

Port Adelaide

Shaun Hart - Director of Coaching

Broadbeach Football Club senior coach (2008)
Gold Coast Football Club assistant coach (2009-2010)
Gold Coast Football Club NEAFL coach (2011-2013)

Phil Walsh - Midfield Manager
2013-present Port Adelaide Football Club midfield manager
2009-2013 West Coast Eagles strategy and innovations coach
1999-2008 Port Adelaide Football Club midfield assistant coach
1995-1998 Geelong Football Club strength and conditioning coach

Josh Carr - Midfield Coach
2012 - present Port Adelaide Football Club (AFL) midfield coach

Mathew Nicks - Backs and Defence Coach
2013-present Port Adelaide Football Club (AFL) defence coach2011-2012 Port Adelaide Football Club (AFL) development coach

Tyson Edwards - Forwards and Offensive Coach
2014 - present Port Adelaide Football Club (AFL) forwards coach
2012 – 2013 Port Adelaide Football Club (AFL) development coach

Fremantle

Brett Kirk - Midfield
Kirk is responsible for Fremantle's midfield.

Michael Prior

Originally Fremantle's skills coach in 2007, He was East Fremantle assistant coach in 2005 and East Perth Colts coach in 2006 and 2007, winning a premiership in 2006. He was appointed an assistant coach at Freo at the end of the 2010 season.

Peter Sumich - Assistant Coach
had been an assistant coach with West Coast for the past 11 seasons before joining Fremantle in 2011

Simon Lloyd - Assistant Coach
was appointed as an assistant coach at the club at the end of the 2010 season.
He previously managed the Fremantle Dockers’ Development Academy since 2009 and is still a major contributor in that department.

Simon has a wealth of AFL experience, having worked at Hawthorn and Collingwood in key development, leadership and coaching roles before joining Fremantle.

He was at Collingwood from 2005 to 2008 as high performance manager and club psychologist.

Simon was previously at Hawthorn between 1998 and 2004, filling a number of roles including club psychologist, player development manager, development coach and assistant coach of the club’s VFL side Box Hill.

Mark Stone - Stoppages Coach
was appointed as stoppages coach for the 2012 season. The father of two has been stoppages coach at the Sydney Swans for the past four seasons.

Prior to that, Mark was stoppage and opposition analyst at West Coast from 2003 to 2007.

He was also an assistant coach at South Fremantle in the WAFL from 2001 to 2002 and senior coach of the Wagga Tigers (1999-2000) in the Riverina Football League.

Geelong

Dale Amos - Assistant

Geelong: Ass coach since 2012; VFL coach 2009-2011
South Barwon: coach 2004-08

Blake Caracella - Assistant
Collingwood: asst coach 2007-09
Geelong: asst coach since 2010

Shane O'Bree - Assistant
Geelong: Asst coach since 2013 Gold Coast: Asst coach 2011-2012

James Rahilly - Assistant
Geelong: Specialist coach, VFL assistant coach 2008-09; Asst coach since 2010

Hawthorn

Luke Beveridge - Assistant
spent time with Collingwood in 2009-2010, where he was a highly regarded Development Coach and viewed as a crucial role player in that club's premiership success.

The former Melbourne, Western Bulldogs and St Kilda player began his coaching career with the Victorian amateur competition where he oversaw the incredible feat of coaching St Bedes Mentone Tigers to the C, B and A Grade premierships in consecutive seasons.

Brendon Bolton - Assistant
After spending two seasons with the Club's VFL affiliate, Box Hill Hawks, Bolton was appointed Assistant Coach at Hawthorn.

Cameron Bruce - Assistant
Bruce joined Hawthorn first as a Development Coach in 2013, following his retirement from football during the 2012 season.

He impressed as one of the Club's development coaches and was moved into an Assistant coaching role at the end of 2013.

Brett Ratten - Assistant
Ratten joined the Hawks as an Assistant Coach in 2013, following his position as Senior Coach of Carlton.

Damian Monkhorst - Ruck
Monkhorst joined the Club as Ruck Coach in 2010, following a stellar career at AFL level.

Sydney

John Blakey - Defence
Joined the Swans at the end of the 2006 season after being an assistant coach with the Brisbane Lions.

Stuart Dew - Strategy and Stopages
Dew joined the Swans late in 2009 as a development coach.

Henry Playfair - Forwards
Playfair was appointed a development coach soon after the completion of the 2010 season, just weeks after he retired because of persistent injuries.

Handed the reins of the reserve side in 2011, Playfair led it to the Eastern Conference final in the new NEAFL competition.

Marty Mattner - Assistant Midfield
Mattner spent some time helping out with the Swans reserves side and eventually took on the role as an assistant coach during the break between the 2013 and 2014 seasons.

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Mark Bickley - Senior Assistant/Forward
Assistant Coach at Adelaide 2009 - present

Scott Camporeale -Midfield
Assistant Coach at Essendon 2008-2010, Assistant Coach at Adelaide 2011 – current

Darren Milburn - Defence
Assistant coach at Adelaide 2012 – current
 
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