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Lloyd would make a great captain, unfortunately captaining from FF isn't idel and makeing Lloyd into a CHF is wrong in my opinion it would shorten his career and it's robbing peter to pay paul. Lloyd is the best kick for goal in the comp if not ever so why would u want to change that its a advantage we have over ever other team yes if he played CHF he could get goal assists but he's the best FF by a mile whereas he'd proberly third or fourth best CHF in the league. We should blood Laycock Johns as CHF at times and rotate bolten hill richards through CHF in bursts. we can still win a flag without a definte CHF.

therefore Rama should be he next captain IMHO and Lloyd and Lucas vice captains
 
I certainly wouldn't be surprised if Lucas became the next captain. Lets face it, Hird should play at least 2-3 more years, and Lucas started doing media this year, and highly successfully. In terms of off-field persona, Lucas is much more articulate than "yeah-nah" Lloyd. In each of his performances this year Lucas has spoken clearly and very well, whilst not giving away any information that he shouldn't. Given his on-field performances, which we can reasonably expect to continue, his on-field leadership will only increase. In 3-4 years time, when the next captain is needed, Lucas could be right up there.
 
Originally posted by bugman5
I certainly wouldn't be surprised if Lucas became the next captain. Lets face it, Hird should play at least 2-3 more years, and Lucas started doing media this year, and highly successfully. In terms of off-field persona, Lucas is much more articulate than "yeah-nah" Lloyd. In each of his performances this year Lucas has spoken clearly and very well, whilst not giving away any information that he shouldn't. Given his on-field performances, which we can reasonably expect to continue, his on-field leadership will only increase. In 3-4 years time, when the next captain is needed, Lucas could be right up there.
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Yes, i'm sure the criteria of choosing the next captain will rely on who speaks the better of the two.:rolleyes: Lucas is a fantastic player, but doesnt rank next to lloyd in the leadership stakes unfortunately.
 

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Originally posted by Nandoz
Yes, i'm sure the criteria of choosing the next captain will rely on who speaks the better of the two.:rolleyes:
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It certainly comes into it. No doubt clubs take into account the public profile of players when deciding upon a captain.
 
Originally posted by Nandoz
Yes, i'm sure the criteria of choosing the next captain will rely on who speaks the better of the two.:rolleyes: Lucas is a fantastic player, but doesnt rank next to lloyd in the leadership stakes unfortunately.
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Leadership as about leading the way - if we take Lloyd - then our work ethic will be - oh well someon else can do it. Not bagging Lloyd - but he is not the player he was 3 years ago. He has become more complacent and unless we deliver well to him - he is almost a non-factor in contests. You can all ridicule me - but if you take off your blinkers and actually watch the way Lloyd will not chase after his opponent - compared with Scotty who is like a work horse - you will agree with what I have said.

Lloyd should not be captain unless he changes his attitude.

Lucas would be a good captain - but I like Welsh - maybe not now - but definitely will be a captain of the club in the future. Ramma would be good as would JJ - but to me - Welsh is the player who would be most natural at it. Having said that - he shouldn;t be captain for prob 3-5 years.
 
Consider yourself bagged.
What a rediculous thing to say about Lloyd.
The bloke is only the second best Full Forward we have ever had and may in time prove to be the best-if he survives long enough -the toughest position on the ground.

Full forwards as good as Lloyd have to be a little selfish,after all the opposition seem to like him generally affording him the affections of several of their team.
Yes, I suppose on thinking about he is selfish why should he have all those playmates to himself.

Lloyd should be captain and is far more eloquent than some of the posters in here.

And he is a star. They are hard to come by.
 
Ditto.
On an open market Lloyd would be first picked by any team. I want him to protect himself, I want him to take the easy option, he doesn`t do this. He was a punching bag early on in his career. He has proven his loyalty to the club by taking less when he could get ( at a guess ) $200 thousand more, easily.
He is not the best when it comes to public speaking, he is not the worst. The boy walks on water and will be the next captain of The Club.
 
Originally posted by Vulcan
Consider yourself bagged.
What a rediculous thing to say about Lloyd.
The bloke is only the second best Full Forward we have ever had and may in time prove to be the best-if he survives long enough -the toughest position on the ground.

Full forwards as good as Lloyd have to be a little selfish,after all the opposition seem to like him generally affording him the affections of several of their team.
Yes, I suppose on thinking about he is selfish why should he have all those playmates to himself.

Lloyd should be captain and is far more eloquent than some of the posters in here.

And he is a star. They are hard to come by.
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Here here! well said Vulcan and windyhill. I couldn't agree more.
 
None of you have actually addressed what Pevers-Legend mentioned: Lloyd not willing to work hard defensively.

I won't comment, because I can't think of any evidence either way.
 
Well, Vulcan, it looks to me as if you were mentioning how Lloyd gets double- and triple-teamed. Now that shouldn't have any influence on his defensive efforts. After all, he should still be chasing the bloke with the ball, eh? :D

But maybe he is getting blocked off the ball so he can't be effective defensively. Like I said, I can't think of any evidence off-hand, so I won't comment.

But again, Lloyd getting double- and triple-teamed shouldn't affect his defensive efforts.

Or perhaps you are being too subtle. ;)
 

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Well you are being a little too subtle for me now.

But like any good politician says having said all that I'll now say this.

Lloyd has generally been a great defensive forward but like what happened last year he is of not much use damaging a finger in a fruitless tackle to appease the paddock horse devotees, being Cup week an appropriate analogy.

His pedigree is of racehorse and should be treated that way.Same goes for Hird for that matter.

His skills as a leading forward are outstanding and should not be compromised until such time as they desert him.

We need his hands,body and mind working to kick goals consistantly.

Many before him coudn't because of being belted or negated out of the game.

Don't let that happen to Lloyd.

And Stevo as far your last bit is concerned mostly the bloke running off with the ball ain't his opponent.

So whose is it?
 
I expected this response - never did I bag Lloyd and say I don;t want him - I merely mentioned why I believe his isn;t captain material.

I said take off the blinkers - if any of you watch fox footy - observe Lloyds second and third efforts - and I am not talking about when he is triple teamed - I get schitty with the crumbers who aren;t there when that happens. No I am talking about when he is one on one and he does not chase hard enough. as soon as the ball isn;t delivered well enough - he just seems to give up - and yes his opponent does run off him. He is a bloody full-forward and he should have no excuse for not chasing. It's not like a midfielder who runs himself into the ground.

If Lloyd of 99 was playing it would be a different story. He is complacent compared with the way he was - young and just exicted to be playing footy.

And I'll just say this clearly - I never ever mentioned trading him or criticised him for taking pay cuts of any sort - I commend him for staying loyal - but a captain has to have certain attributes to his game to make him the right choice - and unless Lloyd lifts his sometimes flagging workrate I wouldn;t give it to him.
 
how many goals has lloyd got by zoning off his man, and getting a chip or handpass over the top, running into open goal?

sometimes, it's not always wise to chase.
 
Lloyd may or may not be a worthy recipient of the captaincy, but as long as he's the league's premier full forward kicking 100 goals a season playing out of the goalsquare, he shouldn't be captain. Yes he is a class player. Yes he needs to be preserved to ensure his longevity in the game. The reason his impact has tapered off is because he's targeted every time he gets on the park, and despite that he still manages to be the best.

But captaining from the goalsquare? I don't see it happening. It's not the best place to do that job from.
 
Don`t see too many fullbacks running off him, probably because they know the damage he will inflict. I have a feeling that M.Lloyd can not win this solo argument you are having with yourself Pevers.
Do you notice these kick in strategies of other teams Pevers ? How is he supposed to pick up three/four loose players ? Who does he chase ? I have no problem with M.Lloyd smoking the occassional cigar at Full Forward.
He`ll be captain, Hird will have one more year of it then pass the baton to The Great One.
 

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Originally posted by windyhill
Don`t see too many fullbacks running off him, probably because they know the damage he will inflict. I have a feeling that M.Lloyd can not win this solo argument you are having with yourself Pevers.
Do you notice these kick in strategies of other teams Pevers ? How is he supposed to pick up three/four loose players ? Who does he chase ? I have no problem with M.Lloyd smoking the occassional cigar at Full Forward.
He`ll be captain, Hird will have one more year of it then pass the baton to The Great One.
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One more year? I doubt Hird will pass on the captaincy until he retires
 
Originally posted by Pornstar
Nothing wrong with Lloyd's game. Let his bloody opponent run down the ground if he wants. Quite happy to have Lloyd on his own in the forward line when the turnover in the midifeld happens.
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Yeah,exactly you can't kick goals if you are on the half backline.

Jesus,it's amazing the better they are the more is demanded from them.

That attitude has half killed Hird many times and it shouldn't be allowed to happen to Lloyd.

Don't care about the donkeywork,let those less talented do it,there are plenty of them,otherwise we will all end up watching a bunch of scrubbers each week and "applauding" there gallant efforts each week just like St.Kilda have been doing for most of their existance.

Appreciate the assets we have and stop trying to find faults.

And if the judgement on Lloyds eloquents' is made on by his appearences on The Footy Show,forget it,that's a glorified Pie night with their determination to make him a figure of ridicule.

And he had my sympathy,no wonder he is not seen on it often.

Your need "champions" like Glen Manton to make that show succesfull.

Yes he's captaincy material playing where he is.

What other player wouldn't be proud to play with and for a bloke who may become Essendon's all time greatest Full Forward.
 
Im stunned that im the only one who Nominated Jason Johnson...He has the biggest heart in the essendon side and is tough and inspirational. The great comeback game against north in 2001 is a great example of that. I think he would make a great captain but i must be the only one who thinks that.
 
Originally posted by marcuz
Im stunned that im the only one who Nominated Jason Johnson...He has the biggest heart in the essendon side and is tough and inspirational. The great comeback game against north in 2001 is a great example of that. I think he would make a great captain but i must be the only one who thinks that.
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Yes.
 
Originally posted by marcuz
Im stunned that im the only one who Nominated Jason Johnson...He has the biggest heart in the essendon side and is tough and inspirational. The great comeback game against north in 2001 is a great example of that. I think he would make a great captain but i must be the only one who thinks that.
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You're not the only one. A couple of other people (me included, I think) mentioned him.
 

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