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[jedi mind tricks]

Kangaroos had a 5 man forward line and 7 man defence. They some how managed to win the game.

Their kicking into the forward 50 was better.

 

[Scham]

JLo, Scott Burns and Carracella are the best available.

 

[Hazelsnuts]

Fwiw I don’t get all the Sumich hate.
It seems the populist thing to hate him around here.
Not an advocate but I don’t get it.

 

[mike91]

I never said no one is out there. I mentioned proven AFL coaches first. I then said Caracella is unproven but what I didn't say is that he wouldn't do a better job than Ross.

Do you believe Ross is the man to take us forward Jedi?

 

[Admiral Byng]

You can use that straw man if you want, but really - all I want is a forward coach that can contribute to developing our forward structures and improve what we have. Part of it is simple things - not all going up for the same high ball and spoiling each other, having the crumbers hit a pack at speed, having people roll through into space, and having forwards moving rather than static. Throw another resource into an area we're weak to further work with what we've got.

Will the forward coach be listened to, and have the authority to implement his ideas if he and Ross disagree on a fundamental principle? What is the point of having the best forward coach ion the world if Ross overrules him? It is not the forwards coach wherein lies the problem.

 

[creamygoodness]

Fwiw I don’t get all the Sumich hate.
It seems the populist thing to hate him around here.
Not an advocate but I don’t get it.

It's a combination of looking kind of dumb, not being particularly inspiring as well as being turned down for pretty much every head coaching job for the last 15 years.

 

[apuchar]

Norths Structure changed throughout the game. Sometimes 6 on 6 sometimes, sometime 7 on 5. One 7 on 5 was when they were 3 and a half goals up in the wet with 10 minutes to go.

 

[Arcassius]

Will the forward coach be listened to, and have the authority to implement his ideas if he and Ross disagree on a fundamental principle? What is the point of having the best forward coach ion the world if Ross overrules him? It is not the forwards coach wherein lies the problem.

That's not something either of us can answer. Ross appears to be more collaborative now than 2 years ago, but how much influence the forward coach will have will probably come down to Ross, the board, and how credentialled that coach is and the trust that Ross and the coach develop.

You can assume if you want that a forwards coach won't improve us because Ross won't listen to him. But I don't believe that Ross is that intractable. I think surrounding Ross with better assistants is a good starting point, then seeing how they work together determines whether he stays or not.

 

[dockshark]

Fwiw I don’t get all the Sumich hate.
It seems the populist thing to hate him around here.
Not an advocate but I don’t get it.

People are convinced that he is some angry guy with an axe to grind against Ross and the club. He isn’t, he wasn’t fired, he left the club by his own choice.

 

[FreoMonocle]

Fwiw I don’t get all the Sumich hate.
It seems the populist thing to hate him around here.
Not an advocate but I don’t get it.

Can't exactly pin it on him. But there was a series of bad press from leaks coinciding with his departure.

It is bad leadership to be seen whinging and bitching, complaints only go upwards in a chain of command and not downwards for a good reason, if you can't keep your lip buttoned you aren't fit to lead.

 

[Hazelsnuts]

It's a combination of looking kind of dumb, not being particularly inspiring as well as being turned down for pretty much every head coaching job for the last 15 years.

He’s dumb is he? You know this how?
Fcked if I know how Ross Lyon sounds inspiring in contrast....
Gee there are some sheep on here that agree with the majority.....
Get an opinion based on fact.
He is actually very astute... but ask anyone on here, he’s just a dumb Cro market gardener???
For fcuks sake.....

 

[jedi mind tricks]

Do you believe Ross is the man to take us forward Jedi?

I'm unsure

West Coast supporters were calling for Simpson to be sacked now he has their full support.

Freo are halfway through thier rebuild and have had 22 list changes in two years. He has had very little continuity plus a turn over of some development coaches.

Simpson has had a stable team and it's paying off. They know the game plan and work very well together.

So I wouldn't be rushed into sacking him. It's such a reactionary thing that could drive players away also.

So the answer is no

 

[Admiral Byng]

That's not something either of us can answer. Ross appears to be more collaborative now than 2 years ago, but how much influence the forward coach will have will probably come down to Ross, the board, and how credentialled that coach is and the trust that Ross and the coach develop.

You can assume if you want that a forwards coach won't improve us because Ross won't listen to him. But I don't believe that Ross is that intractable. I think surrounding Ross with better assistants is a good starting point, then seeing how they work together determines whether he stays or not.

Maybe Hale is shit too, I don't know. I just don't see either of them trying anything new.

Look, I'll bring my clipboard and notepad to the next home game against Adelaide. I'll jot down the number of times we kick to the hot-spot, and the outcome of each attempt. I reckon it results in a goal less than two times out of every ten, yet that is still out main tactic.

 

[Hazelsnuts]

Can't exactly pin it on him. But there was a series of bad press from leaks coinciding with his departure.

It is bad leadership to be seen whinging and bitching, complaints only go upwards in a chain of command and not downwards for a good reason, if you can't keep your lip buttoned you aren't fit to lead.

Did it occur to you the press leaks -leaked info may be common knowledge to many at the club?
Sorry but I don’t buy it that he is the devil incarnate.
Reckon he may just plain and simply disagreed with Lyons coaching footprint....

 

[salim malik]

Did it occur to you the press leaks -leaked info may be common knowledge to many at the club?
Sorry but I don’t buy it that he is the devil incarnate.
Reckon he may just plain and simply disagreed with Lyons coaching footprint....

Sumich was rejected by every club he applied to as a senior coach. West Coast didn't want him back when he left Freo. Sack Lyon if you must but ffs nominate some one fresh and new .

 

[Freeeoo]

Lyon isn't going anywhere and nor should he.
Was listening to pr on the way home, pushing the case for Sumich. God no!

 

[mike91]

I'm unsure

West Coast supporters were calling for Simpson to be sacked now he has their full support.

Freo are halfway through thier rebuild and have had 22 list changes in two years. He has had very little continuity plus a turn over of some development coaches.

Simpson has had a stable team and it's paying off. They know the game plan and work very well together.

So I wouldn't be rushed into sacking him. It's such a reactionary thing that could drive players away also.

So the answer is no

Fair enough mate. I honestly see where your points you've made and understand your point of view, but for mine it's not a reactionary thing, in my view Ross has been very poor for about 2-3 years now. It's not because of the kids, not the rebuild, it's the coach. Poor structures, poor team selections, getting out coached about 90-95% of the time throughout the last few years, refusing to try something different, not truly sticking to the rebuild and playing blokes like Pearce/Sutcliffe/Sheridan early in the season is truly horrendous, never having a functional forward structure, trying the same thing that fails and hoping it changes. At the start of the year, I thought Ross has to show progress, because the rebuild excuse (good teams don't stay down the ladder for long) is getting old and it doesn't even make sense. If we had a good gameplan and the kids showed something, but we lose then I'm happy with that. If we have a rubbish gameplan, no forward structure and a coach that doesn't even try fixing it, then I have a problem. I can handle a loss, I can handle a thrashing, because you expect them in rebuilds, but I can't accept poor coaching for consecutive years. In my opinion, we're better off without Ross.

 

[creamygoodness]

He’s dumb is he? You know this how?
Fcked if I know how Ross Lyon sounds inspiring in contrast....
Gee there are some sheep on here that agree with the majority.....
Get an opinion based on fact.
He is actually very astute... but ask anyone on here, he’s just a dumb Cro market gardener???
For fcuks sake.....

I didn't say he was dumb, I said that's what it looks like from the outside...

It's pretty damning that he hasn't gotten a head coaching job given the number of times he's gone for one though

 

[Hazelsnuts]

I'm unsure

West Coast supporters were calling for Simpson to be sacked now he has their full support.

Freo are halfway through thier rebuild and have had 22 list changes in two years. He has had very little continuity plus a turn over of some development coaches.

Simpson has had a stable team and it's paying off. They know the game plan and work very well together.

So I wouldn't be rushed into sacking him. It's such a reactionary thing that could drive players away also.

So the answer is no

Agreed, but under Lyons reign we have bottomed out when we shouldn’t have.
I’m not for sacking him - but I’m not backing him to the hilt like others are.
I would undertake an independent review like they did at Collingwood.

 

[G Mus]

Did it occur to you the press leaks -leaked info may be common knowledge to many at the club?
Sorry but I don’t buy it that he is the devil incarnate.
Reckon he may just plain and simply disagreed with Lyons coaching footprint....

And that's why he was demoted and taken off game day duties before he left?

 

[salim malik]

Agreed, but under Lyons reign we have bottomed out when we shouldn’t have.
I’m not for sacking him - but I’m not backing him to the hilt like others are.
I would undertake an independent review like they did at Collingwood.

I think we all would like some fresh new assistants and for Ross to listen to new ideas. And you're right about a review of the club. Geelong and Richmond both had reviews after both coaches were under pressure and turned the clubs around.

 

[rgauci]

Agreed, but under Lyons reign we have bottomed out when we shouldn’t have.
I’m not for sacking him - but I’m not backing him to the hilt like others are.
I would undertake an independent review like they did at Collingwood.

2nd half of 2015 was atrocious. Yet we finished minor premiers. It felt
Like the rot started then and hasn’t swung
Back since.

 

[Hazelsnuts]

I didn't say he was dumb, I said that's what it looks like from the outside...

It's pretty damning that he hasn't gotten a head coaching job given the number of times he's gone for one though

Looking for a job in the Vic-centric AFL is a tough gig especially if you are from WA unless you’ve had success like Worsfold.
Watters got the boot at St Kilda pretty quickly - Richo is doing a great job????

 

[wild side]

I'm unsure

West Coast supporters were calling for Simpson to be sacked now he has their full support.

Freo are halfway through thier rebuild and have had 22 list changes in two years. He has had very little continuity plus a turn over of some development coaches.

Simpson has had a stable team and it's paying off. They know the game plan and work very well together.

So I wouldn't be rushed into sacking him. It's such a reactionary thing that could drive players away also.

So the answer is no

So f**king this!

 

[Carnthedockers]

Do we really think another coach could do better with this list? Really?