Next flag - Carlton, Essendon or Richmond?

[Juddernaut08]

All three way off a flag. The difference is Essendon and Carlton have finally come round to the fact that a rebuild is required.

Richmond still pushing for that first finals win, as evidenced by trading out first-rounders for the likes of Yarran.

 

[AstuteTiger]

All three way off a flag. The difference is Essendon and Carlton have finally come round to the fact that a rebuild is required.

Richmond still pushing for that first finals win, as evidenced by trading out first-rounders for the likes of Yarran.

Ffs get ur facts straight we KEPT our first rounder do some research before posting utter garbage, fyi we used our first round pic (15) on Daniel rioli, on Yarran we used a 2nd round pic 19, yarran 25 years old has plenty of good footy ahead of him...

 

[Halftimehero]

Ffs get ur facts straight we KEPT our first rounder do some research before posting utter garbage, fyi we used our first round pic (15) on Daniel rioli, on Yarran we used a 2nd round pic 19, yarran 25 years old has plenty of good footy ahead of him...

Pick 19 is a first round pick......

 

[Football Tragic]

So you have identified 6 players, the rest are dead set average, and you reckon you don't need a rebuild?

I'd throw is B.Ellis, McIntosh, Grimes, Vlaustin and some youth with plenty of potential including Yarran, C.Ellis, Rioli, Menadue and even McBean (most VFL goals kicked 2015). So we don't need a complete rebuild but rather give experience to our youth and find some talent via the trade/draft.

No team will have a list of complete champions (unless your GWS!) so you are always going to have tiers of ability. We have a strong upper tier but a weak lower. We need more depth which is what is being exposed atm and dragging our results down.

 

[Blues_Man]

Shhhhh some posters dont wanna hear the truth, Halftimehero says our youth is next to nothing lmfaooo we've recruited 11 youngsters in the last 2 years between 17-19 years old in the ND and Rookie drafts and 3 mature aged 22/23 yrs old...
Also FlowersByIrene says Richmond need a complete rebuild, whats he smoking, our rebuild started 5-6 years ago and we've build up our main core but we we do need a mini rebuild admittingly 1-2 years down, it can turn very easily on the upwards spiral!

Thats the problem ..your main core just isn't up to it ..and your kids aren't proven ..big problems at Punt road

 

[Football Tragic]

Thats the problem ..your main core just isn't up to it ..and your kids aren't proven ..big problems at Punt road

And thank you for that completely unsubstantiated and unfounded opinion . Are you basing your judgement on this season or last? On the last three years or 35?

Carlton are so far off it. They have recruited well in the last two years but your plethora of first draft picks have only given you average toilers at best. Murphy, Gibbs and Kruezer should be leading you towards a premiership by now but you have barely scrapped off the bottom of the ladder in recent years with them leading the way. I think you have years of pain still ahead.

 

[T2B_]

And thank you for that completely unsubstantiated and unfounded opinion . Are you basing your judgement on this season or last? On the last three years or 35?

All of the above. 30+ years of nothing and then losing 3 finals in a row. Big, big problems down at Richmond. Even the so called stars in your senior list are mentally suspect and that's a big issue ATM.

 

[gbatman]

Carlton and Essendon's young players look higher quality than Richmond's, none of them have an old list, it isn't youth the Tigers need it's quality. If the roll the dice and get a bounty of players like Geelong have then they are a chance again. That or they go the other way and go the long term rebuild via youth. Carlton and Essendon are looking to do a fairly balanced rebuild. Essendon failed with their attempts to top up with older talented discards. Both are trying to bring in youth while maintaining quality mature players to lead the way. This could easily turn on it's head, Really gun drafting, father son picks or some real aggressive recruiting by either of these sides could put them up the top within the next three seasons.

 

[AstuteTiger]

Pick 19 is a first round pick......

Ffs how many times must it be said or are u just trolling, pic 19 starts after the first round, first pic of the 2nd round its not that hard to comprehend...

 

[Halftimehero]

Ffs how many times must it be said or are u just trolling, pic 19 starts after the first round, first pic of the 2nd round its not that hard to comprehend...

Nope

 

[YEMOC NAYR]

All three way off a flag. The difference is Essendon and Carlton have finally come round to the fact that a rebuild is required.

Richmond still pushing for that first finals win, as evidenced by trading out first-rounders for the likes of Yarran.

Indications are that they will be aggressive at the trade table again this year.

 

[AstuteTiger]

Nope
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Dude forget bout compo pics and academy etc round 1 normally ends at pic 18 surely u know that as theirs 18 teams but with compo pics it pushes it out, it has been stated in the papers that pic 19 is end of first round PERIOD

 

[Halftimehero]

Dude forget bout compo pics and academy etc round 1 normally ends at pic 18 surely u know that as theirs 18 teams but with compo pics it pushes it out, it has been stated in the papers that pic 19 is end of first round PERIOD

Except you don't forget about those things and pick 19 which you originally traded to Carlton was a first round pick, PERIOD

Here is the original draft order, the 1 in the first column indicates which round it is

 

[boncer34]

Dude forget bout compo pics and academy etc round 1 normally ends at pic 18 surely u know that as theirs 18 teams but with compo pics it pushes it out, it has been stated in the papers that pic 19 is end of first round PERIOD

You're not very astute are you?

 

[AstuteTiger]

You're not very astute are you?

Really now i said end of first round, get it end of first round, first pic before 2nd round, geez u make it so easy to shut u down....why o why are their so many stupid posters u being one of them...

http://www.lions.com.au/news/2015-10-22/draft-order-update


ROUND ONE
1. Carlton
2. Brisbane Lions
3. Melbourne (received from Gold Coast in an exchange of picks)
4. Essendon
5. Essendon (received from St Kilda as part of the trade for Jake Carlisle)
6. Gold Coast (received from Melbourne in an exchange of picks)
7. Melbourne (received from GWS as part of the trade for Tom Bugg; originally received by GWS from Collingwood as part of the trade for Adam Treloar)
8. Carlton (received from GWS as part of the trade for Lachie Plowman, Jed Lamb, Andrew Phillips and Liam Sumner)
9. Adelaide (received from Geelong as part of the trade for Patrick Dangerfield)
10. Greater Western Sydney (received from Melbourne as part of the trade for Tom Bugg; earlier received by Melbourne from Gold Coast in an exchange of picks, originally received by Gold Coast from Port Adelaide as part of the trade for Charlie Dixon)
11. Carlton (received from Western Bulldogs via a pick exchange)
12. Richmond
13. Adelaide
14. St Kilda (received from the Sydney Swans as part of the Jake Carlisle-Craig Bird trade)
15. Hawthorn (received from North Melbourne as part of the trade for Jed Anderson)
16. Gold Coast (received from Fremantle as part of the trade for Harley Bennell)
17. North Melbourne (received from the Brisbane Lions as part of James Aish-Ryan Bastinac deal; originally received by the Brisbane Lions from West Coast via a trade for Jack Redden)
18. Hawthorn

END OF ROUND ONE
19. Carlton (received from Richmond via a trade for Chris Yarran; earlier received by Richmond from Gold Coast as part of the Charlie Dixon trade; received by Gold Coast from Greater Western Sydney via a trade in 2012; traded to the Giants by Fremantle in 2011; originally received by the Dockers as compensation for Rhys Palmer)

ROUND TWO
20. Western Bulldogs (received from Carlton via a pick exchange)

 

[AstuteTiger]

Last post on this doofus, pic 19 is end of first round PERIOD this link from lions website from AFL....i will take the AFL's draft order over the roar's site anyday of the week lol
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2015-10-22/draft-order-update


ROUND ONE
1. Carlton
2. Brisbane Lions
3. Melbourne (received from Gold Coast in an exchange of picks)
4. Essendon
5. Essendon (received from St Kilda as part of the trade for Jake Carlisle)
6. Gold Coast (received from Melbourne in an exchange of picks)
7. Melbourne (received from GWS as part of the trade for Tom Bugg; originally received by GWS from Collingwood as part of the trade for Adam Treloar)
8. Carlton (received from GWS as part of the trade for Lachie Plowman, Jed Lamb, Andrew Phillips and Liam Sumner)
9. Adelaide (received from Geelong as part of the trade for Patrick Dangerfield)
10. Greater Western Sydney (received from Melbourne as part of the trade for Tom Bugg; earlier received by Melbourne from Gold Coast in an exchange of picks, originally received by Gold Coast from Port Adelaide as part of the trade for Charlie Dixon)
11. Carlton (received from Western Bulldogs via a pick exchange)
12. Richmond
13. Adelaide
14. St Kilda (received from the Sydney Swans as part of the Jake Carlisle-Craig Bird trade)
15. Hawthorn (received from North Melbourne as part of the trade for Jed Anderson)
16. Gold Coast (received from Fremantle as part of the trade for Harley Bennell)
17. North Melbourne (received from the Brisbane Lions as part of James Aish-Ryan Bastinac deal; originally received by the Brisbane Lions from West Coast via a trade for Jack Redden)
18. Hawthorn


END OF ROUND ONE
19. Carlton (received from Richmond via a trade for Chris Yarran; earlier received by Richmond from Gold Coast as part of the Charlie Dixon trade; received by Gold Coast from Greater Western Sydney via a trade in 2012; traded to the Giants by Fremantle in 2011; originally received by the Dockers as compensation for Rhys Palmer)


ROUND TWO
20. Western Bulldogs (received from Carlton via a pick exchange)

 

[Halftimehero]

Last post on this doofus, pic 19 is end of first round PERIOD this link from lions website from AFL....i will take the AFL's draft order over the roar's site anyday of the week lol
http://www.lions.com.au/news/2015-10-22/draft-order-update


ROUND ONE
1. Carlton
2. Brisbane Lions
3. Melbourne (received from Gold Coast in an exchange of picks)
4. Essendon
5. Essendon (received from St Kilda as part of the trade for Jake Carlisle)
6. Gold Coast (received from Melbourne in an exchange of picks)
7. Melbourne (received from GWS as part of the trade for Tom Bugg; originally received by GWS from Collingwood as part of the trade for Adam Treloar)
8. Carlton (received from GWS as part of the trade for Lachie Plowman, Jed Lamb, Andrew Phillips and Liam Sumner)
9. Adelaide (received from Geelong as part of the trade for Patrick Dangerfield)
10. Greater Western Sydney (received from Melbourne as part of the trade for Tom Bugg; earlier received by Melbourne from Gold Coast in an exchange of picks, originally received by Gold Coast from Port Adelaide as part of the trade for Charlie Dixon)
11. Carlton (received from Western Bulldogs via a pick exchange)
12. Richmond
13. Adelaide
14. St Kilda (received from the Sydney Swans as part of the Jake Carlisle-Craig Bird trade)
15. Hawthorn (received from North Melbourne as part of the trade for Jed Anderson)
16. Gold Coast (received from Fremantle as part of the trade for Harley Bennell)
17. North Melbourne (received from the Brisbane Lions as part of James Aish-Ryan Bastinac deal; originally received by the Brisbane Lions from West Coast via a trade for Jack Redden)
18. Hawthorn


END OF ROUND ONE
19. Carlton (received from Richmond via a trade for Chris Yarran; earlier received by Richmond from Gold Coast as part of the Charlie Dixon trade; received by Gold Coast from Greater Western Sydney via a trade in 2012; traded to the Giants by Fremantle in 2011; originally received by the Dockers as compensation for Rhys Palmer)


ROUND TWO
20. Western Bulldogs (received from Carlton via a pick exchange)

So end of first round, as in the last pick? Yep first rounder

 

[boncer34]

Really now i said end of first round, get it end of first round, first pic before 2nd round, geez u make it so easy to shut u down....why o why are their so many stupid posters u being one

Oh really?

Ffs how many times must it be said or are u just trolling, pic 19 starts after the first round, first pic of the 2nd round its not that hard to comprehend...

 

[AstuteTiger]

"Halftimehero, post: 44418212, member: 132920"]So end of first round, as in the last pick? Yep first rounder

Please tell me what pic 19 is in any draft? start of 2nd round is it not? we received pick 19 which as u know is a 2nd round pic in exchange for our two 2nd round pics (2015 & 2016), u getting this yeah....

Why isnt it included straight after pic 18 cause round one ends at pic 18, then theirs pic 19 which comes after round 1 (end of first round pic) thats why its separated then round 2 starts.
U know what u are baiting cause deep down u understand what ive written above is actual fact (straight from AFL link below)

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-11-...ubs-provisional-picks-as-trade-period-unfolds

 

[AstuteTiger]

So end of first round, as in the last pick? Yep first rounder

So Carlton received pic 19 what did that push out their pick to 23? not bad trade on our behalf, blues wanted our pick 12 we said piss off and they crumbled at the death knell and accepted pic 19 which really ended up being correct me if im wrong pick 23...

 

[Armchair Critic]

Please tell me what pic 19 is in any draft? start of 2nd round is it not? we received pick 19 which as u know is a 2nd round pic in exchange for our two 2nd round pics (2015 & 2016), u getting this yeah....

Why isnt it included straight after pic 18 cause round one ends at pic 18, then theirs pic 19 which comes after round 1 (end of first round pic) thats why its separated then round 2 starts.
U know what u are baiting cause deep down u understand what ive written above is actual fact (straight from AFL link below)

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-11-...ubs-provisional-picks-as-trade-period-unfolds

http://www.afl.com.au/draft/draft-tracker

AFL Draft tracker

23 is last selection of first rd

 

[AstuteTiger]

http://www.afl.com.au/draft/draft-tracker

AFL Draft tracker

23 is last selection of first rd

Johnny come lately what i was explaing that pic 19 is not a first round pic, but also stated that its end of first round prior to commencement of the 2nd round....
So blues ended up with pick 23 lmfao yep def round 1 pick
100% correct AFL link; http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-11-...ubs-provisional-picks-as-trade-period-unfolds

 

[boncer34]

Last post on this doofus

Oh really?

Please tell me what pic 19 is in any draft? start of 2nd round is it not? we received pick 19 which as u know is a 2nd round pic in exchange for our two 2nd round pics (2015 & 2016), u getting this yeah....

Why isnt it included straight after pic 18 cause round one ends at pic 18, then theirs pic 19 which comes after round 1 (end of first round pic) thats why its separated then round 2 starts.
U know what u are baiting cause deep down u understand what ive written above is actual fact (straight from AFL link below)

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-11-...ubs-provisional-picks-as-trade-period-unfolds

So Carlton received pic 19 what did that push out their pick to 23? not bad trade on our behalf, blues wanted our pick 12 we said piss off and they crumbled at the death knell and accepted pic 19 which really ended up being correct me if im wrong pick 23...

Johnny come lately what i was explaing that pic 19 is not a first round pic, but also stated that its end of first round prior to commencement of the 2nd round....
So blues ended up with pick 23 lmfao yep def round 1 pick
100% correct AFL link; http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-11-...ubs-provisional-picks-as-trade-period-unfolds

 

[AstuteTiger]

Oh really?

Well i see u cant string more than 3 words together, the emoticon doesn't count lolllll

 

[Halftimehero]

So Carlton received pic 19 what did that push out their pick to 23? not bad trade on our behalf, blues wanted our pick 12 we said piss off and they crumbled at the death knell and accepted pic 19 which really ended up being correct me if im wrong pick 23...

Not a bad trade on your behalf? lol
Chris Yarran, after turning up to pre season training after a gut full of pies over the summer has played how many games?