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thylacine60

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I really support the post of Jeremias. If anyone gets the struggles footballers and young men have in front of them it will be this bloke. He doesn't have the inherent indiginous aspect to his work but I have watched this man be ridiculed from one side of the country to the other and persist. Credit to him and long may people who have failed and got up off the canvas repeatedly be given the opportunity to pass on their specialist skills to those coming behind.
 

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Jokes aside.... totally aside...

This is a great get for the Carlton Football Club.

There's not many people in the AFL who know what it's like to have to scratch and claw for every bloody opportunity they've gotten, who have been as respected among their peers and coaching group as what Zac Dawson was. Obviously, he's not indigenous but you needn't be. You need to be someone who understands the hard work, the sacrifices, the mentality required to be successful as an AFL player from little to nothing. I think those who question this hire because of his non-indigenous background need to understand that most often the best aid workers, managers, etc. are people who possess a willingness to understand people from different backgrounds and have a passion for putting them into successful positions rather than necessarily coming from the same background. Zac has always appeared to be that type of person.

Here's a nice article on Dawson from the Dockers when he and Ibbotson retired.

https://www.fremantlefc.com.au/news/2017-09-21/retirees-share-special-bond
 

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I really support the post of Jeremias. If anyone gets the struggles footballers and young men have in front of them it will be this bloke. He doesn't have the inherent indiginous aspect to his work but I have watched this man be ridiculed from one side of the country to the other and persist. Credit to him and long may people who have failed and got up off the canvas repeatedly be given the opportunity to pass on their specialist skills to those coming behind.
Never really thought about it from that angle …. interesting.
 

bmaurizio

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Zac is very good addition to the coaching team, our youngsters will be mentored and developed more comprehensible by all the hard working coaches be they Seniors, NB or NGA /NN level, things are amalgamating, there’s a common focus better preparation , condition and skills development, flow on will be noticeable in the next few years.
 
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murphster

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We do, but our zone is exclusively that of the Northern Knights in the TAC (ie. the Northern Football League). That's how we have first rights on Ethan Penrith and the Wild brothers. That being said, the indigenous population in each state is somewhat different as well.

WA teams split a state, albeit with caveats as you mentioned. Some of the Victorian clubs have split up all of NT (which is about 30% indigenous), while North Melbourne have all of Tasmania and half of the Western Jets (probably the most bountiful area for first-gen Aussies from non-English backgrounds).

The AFL usually get an economist involved in these kinds of moves, so I'm sure once you look at the population statistics you start to see why each club got what they did, but I get the feeling those with a territory advantage will see larger benefits over time.


I'd push for that to be rookie draft only (or 5th round onwards/Cat B if they abolish the rookie draft).

If I were the elders, I'd have a few more issues with an academy program that abbreviates to 'NGA'.


The Tiwi Islands has a (mostly indigenous) population of 3,000, while all of NT has an indigenous population of about 62,000.

Essendon also get the Calder Cannons zone. Remember, one parent has to be born overseas in a non-English speaking country for them to be eligible, so it's not like everyone can just go and grab the kids of Italian and Greek ex-pats, mostly because they're all in their 40s. ;)

North got the metropolitan part of the Western Jets, while the Dogs got the rest. Pretty sure the rest follows TAC zones.
We get the Fitzroy Stars which is basically an indigenous club so we need to invest heavily there.
 

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I really support the post of Jeremias. If anyone gets the struggles footballers and young men have in front of them it will be this bloke. He doesn't have the inherent indigenous aspect to his work but I have watched this man be ridiculed from one side of the country to the other and persist. Credit to him and long may people who have failed and got up off the canvas repeatedly be given the opportunity to pass on their specialist skills to those coming behind.
Well said. :thumbsu:
 

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Just finished watching a replay of today's Northern Knights v GWS Academy game, with a particular eye on Sunny Brazier's game.

The NAB League website has him named in the best players, which was fair enough. He played mostly in the midfield, with a short stint in the forward line in the 2nd quarter. To me he looked to be the most skilled player out there, particularly his kicking & he laid some good tackles & provided some timely shepherds & kicked a nice snap goal, but also missed enough kickable one on the run. What was disappointing was that he never got out of a jog for the whole game. I think he could have got to more contests with a little bit more intensity in his running.

He is a good size for a midfielder & is strong in the contest, but he looked disinterested at times. One would hope that if/when he gets a run with the Northern Blues (he is on their rookie list) the better standard may see him take his game to a higher level.
 

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AT97

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I have been told we have an academy kid (14y) who is supposed to be head and shoulders above his peer group. I’ve been told we have engaged a former player to be his specific mentor. Son of a former afl player.
 

Jimmae

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The boy has some talent, but his work rate can be a bit inconsistent.
If it's anything like his last 20 games of footy I'd suggest he was swapping between midfield and forward roles. I'd be interested to see him get four quarters on the ball.

Wild also apart of the academy had a few kicks for Bushrangers today in a loss to Sydney


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Is he still ours given he's now playing for Murray (I assume his family moved)?

I have been told we have an academy kid (14y) who is supposed to be head and shoulders above his peer group. I’ve been told we have engaged a former player to be his specific mentor. Son of a former afl player.
Way too early to make the long term call there, but is this a F/S or Next Gen academy member?
 

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If it's anything like his last 20 games of footy I'd suggest he was swapping between midfield and forward roles. I'd be interested to see him get four quarters on the ball.
He spent a fair bit of time on the ball last week. Started the 2nd quarter up forward, but the ball was hardly going in there so ultimately ended up back on the ball.

He looks a class above most of his Northern Knights teammates (Philp goes alright) so I would be interested to see how he would go as the 23rd player with the Northern Blues, given he is on the NB's rookie list.
 

AT97

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Way too early to make the long term call there, but is this a F/S or Next Gen academy member?
You’re right way to early. May lose interest, family issues could impact, others may catch up and pass him. At this stage however he is considered an exceptional prospect so much so we have engaged a former gun player to mentor him (I believe) exclusively not sure that would be typical. If his trajectory remains the same...lucky us it would appear.

He is the son of a former afl player (not Carlton) who played a hand full of games.
 

crippamagic33

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Is he still ours given he's now playing for Murray (I assume his family moved)?


Watching the game with commentary against gwv it mentions he is still a Carlton member so I’m guessing yes
 

Jimmae

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Is he still ours given he's now playing for Murray (I assume his family moved)?


Watching the game with commentary against gwv it mentions he is still a Carlton member so I’m guessing yes
He's been racking up the stats, which is a good thing for a bloke with a November birthday. The talk was Cameron was the better prospect, and that seems to be showing up as solid.
 

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