Next Generation

[ioppolo]

Didn't realise Jack Edwards was that young. I seriously rate him, can easily bat at 7 and is also capable of opening the bowling (though ideally is a first change bowler). Doesn't get talked about much....perhaps he's second in line to Cam Green in a few years when Marsh is gone.

 

[ioppolo]

Also Fergus O'Neill is a serious GUN but unfortunately the national selectors will never give him a shot with his pace (lack thereof). Tours to England and South Africa would be his bread and butter.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Also Fergus O'Neill is a serious GUN but unfortunately the national selectors will never give him a shot with his pace (lack thereof). Tours to England and South Africa would be his bread and butter.

Think he'll be considered on the tours you mentioned, NZ too.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

How quick is O'Neill?

Philander pace? Sayers pace?

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Also Fergus O'Neill is a serious GUN but unfortunately the national selectors will never give him a shot with his pace (lack thereof). Tours to England and South Africa would be his bread and butter.

Better not be the next after Marsh jeez, and can we stop the idea of trying to make our test side like a ODI. He'll never be good enough as a top 6 bat, his bowling is half handy I guess, but surely Hardie is ahead at least.

 

[ioppolo]

How quick is O'Neill?

Philander pace? Sayers pace?

125km areas. A few kms quicker than the mentioned but not quick enough I'd imagine.

 

[ioppolo]

Better not be the next after Marsh jeez, and can we stop the idea of trying to make our test side like a ODI. He'll never be good enough as a top 6 bat, his bowling is half handy I guess, but surely Hardie is ahead at least.

Jack Edwards would be a handy limited overs player for sure. Hardie needs to perform at domestic level again imo. Being managed to within an inch of his life and barely bowling isn't helping.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

How quick is O'Neill?

Philander pace? Sayers pace?

I'll say 128-132 sort of area isn't he

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Jack Edwards would be a handy limited overs player for sure. Hardie needs to perform at domestic level again imo. Being managed to within an inch of his life and barely bowling isn't helping.

Should be bowling way more domestically for starters for WA.

 

[Docker82]

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Delusional I'm afraid - the commentary that there's plenty of young talent in Australia not that those are the best under 25 talents.

Only about 4-5 of that list have shown they're capable at shield level so far and most haven't been around long enough to be confident that will continue.

Time will tell but I fear most of that list doesn't age well.

This is the first time this century the selectors can't be blamed for the performance of the test team. The talent isn't there and I genuinely fear it's a greater problem starting at grass roots.

 

[Some Idiot]

Didn't realise Jack Edwards was that young. I seriously rate him, can easily bat at 7 and is also capable of opening the bowling (though ideally is a first change bowler). Doesn't get talked about much....perhaps he's second in line to Cam Green in a few years when Marsh is gone.

He had some hype when he was 18. But he does look he's been working on his game pretty nicely the last couple of years after a bit of a slump.

 

[The 747]

Jack Edwards would be a handy limited overs player for sure. Hardie needs to perform at domestic level again imo. Being managed to within an inch of his life and barely bowling isn't helping.

I think the ODI innings v Pakistan hurt his cause too.

 

[t_94]

I love Adam Zampa, genuine space cadet and great in short format but boy do I rate Stuart Clark getting on the attack here. Imagine how frustrating it is for Sangha and other guys in premier cricket when this stuff occurs driven by CA. As a poster mentioned earlier, if Zampa or CA want him in tests, get him to commute to premier clubs in SEQLD and or play for the bulls.

Cant stand him. Massive try hard learn to spin a leg break.

 

[Sonny Hayes]

Cant stand him. Massive try hard learn to spin a leg break.

I would say what he’s doing is working pretty well for him

 

[western royboy]

How much grade cricket/training sessions do Smith, Cummins, Hazlewood & Starc, etc turn up to? If CA parachute one of those guys into a shield match I doubt NSW would be complaining about younger players missing out...

CA contracted players are all managed within the total system ie. Australian Training / State Squad Training / Grade

It’s been a long while since i had anything to do with it, but as a guide…

We used to see our NSW squad players once a week at Grade Training, the other night they were at the SCG.

We had one bloke who was in and around the Aus setup (One Day) and he was managed the same as the State Squad players.

10 days after he was running thru the Pakistani’s at the MCG he was bowling to me in the nets. He should have gone to England but broke down just prior to the end of the year.

 

[The hands of stone]

125km areas. A few kms quicker than the mentioned but not quick enough I'd imagine.

Seen him live a few times , would say around that maybe a few kms more on the gun .
He does hurry on though .

Probably needs to find another yard for the next level .
Very skilled bowler though .

 

[The hands of stone]

CA contracted players are all managed within the total system ie. Australian Training / State Squad Training / Grade

It’s been a long while since i had anything to do with it, but as a guide…

We used to see our NSW squad players once a week at Grade Training, the other night they were at the SCG.

We had one bloke who was in and around the Aus setup (One Day) and he was managed the same as the State Squad players.

10 days after he was running thru the Pakistani’s at the MCG he was bowling to me in the nets. He should have gone to England but broke down just prior to the end of the year.

Pretty much that in CV .

Some guys every other week , some once a month . Some just popped in .
Might get them for a few games per season .

One year we saw more of a guy on the CA payroll then we did of the state squad guys combined .

 

[western royboy]

Seen him live a few times , would say around that maybe a few kms more on the gun .
He does hurry on though .

Probably needs to find another yard for the next level .
Very skilled bowler though .

He needs to have a serious talk to Ryan Harris as he is the only one that I know of that seriously increased his pace as he got on and it was a very deliberate decision because he knew he had to in order to get to the next level.

 

[craffles]

Cant stand him. Massive try hard learn to spin a leg break.

He’s a polarising guy but I like it. I think he just genuinely loves life his own way and I like it but can see how it’s abrasive, especially in team environments.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Not sure where to post this, but is one of the reasons behind the Bazzball philosophy that players are going to find it difficult switching between the different formats? So you may as well develop a way of playing that can be used in all three formats with only minor adjustments

Rather than try to master two or three distinct and different batting styles

 

[sabso]

He’s a polarising guy but I like it. I think he just genuinely loves life his own way and I like it but can see how it’s abrasive, especially in team environments.

Nice to see Aussies wanting to copy bazball

 

[western royboy]

Not sure where to post this, but is one of the reasons behind the Bazzball philosophy that players are going to find it difficult switching between the different formats? So you may as well develop a way of playing that can be used in all three formats with only minor adjustments

Rather than try to master two or three distinct and different batting styles

I think it’s more in line with the way kids learn the game has changed, we can’t change the way they play so just ride it as long as you can and get as many as quickly as you can before you get out.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I think it’s more in line with the way kids learn the game has changed, we can’t change the way they play so just ride it as long as you can and get as many as quickly as you can before you get out.

I was thinking from a practical point of view how to coach (in formative years) leading towards players being able to adjust for different formats when they mature.

To the point that you could have completely separate red ball trainings and matches (long format games, traditional) and also white ball trainings and matches (short form games, unorthodox, experimentation)

So players grow up becoming accustomed to using different gears and switching between.

We had a player go through the State U19s. Very good orthodox player. However the 19s being all one dayers he had to get very good at gliding to third man to rotate the strike, soft hands, playing late.

It bled into his red ball game when there are suddenly 3 slips and a gully and he has nicked off for fun since

 

[sabso]

you rarely see fields with a full slip cordon and a third man so the thick outside edge has become a percentage shot

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

you rarely see fields with a full slip cordon and a third man so the thick outside edge has become a percentage shot

Every test match has multiple slips?

Maybe not umbrella fields