Next Generation

[Ohitsthatguy]

Problem is the Copeland precedent.

Takes wickets for fun at Shield level, seemingly an obvious selection...but then you find that he's a bit too slow to trouble Test batsmen.

From what others have said, Hazlewood/Boland are a good 5-10 km/h quicker.

True but Copeland only got three tests in Sri Lanka, not like he was given a long rope

Plus I think he's better than Copeland and deserves a look

But obviously if Jhye gets back to his fittest he gets the spot

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

Surely Fergus O'Neill (despite his pace) is too good to not have a look at at some stage?

To me he is the natural Hazlewood/Boland replacement.

Bartlett will be next can off the ranks. It's between him and Jhye Richardson. Love Fergus but he needs to pick up 5-10kms of pace to really threaten at the next level. He was decent against the Lions but that's the equivalent of bowling to shield players TBH.

 

[the_interloper]

Jhye Richardson (if he can get his body right) surely next in?

For sure, he's been one of the stiff ones with the incredible resilience of Haze/Cummins/Starc

 

[hugecannon]

Bartlett

What sort of pace does he usually operate at?

He strikes me as someone who’s usually in the mid 130’s range which can get exposed a bit at the highest level.

 

[ioppolo]

Fergus gives me ol' Chadd Sayers vibes. Didn't he average something like 22 for a few seasons straight in the shield?

 

[Ohitsthatguy]

And he played one test, what's your point?

 

[ioppolo]

And he played one test, what's your point?

Pace will likely get found out at international level. He'll be handy in England, South Africa and NZ but otherwise I dare say he'll be a non factor.

 

[The_Reaper]

I feel like Bracken could have done more at test level

 

[Jim Prideaux]

Bartlett

Absolutely. Bloke looks great. I know everyone questions his pace, but Oneill keeps taking wickets against all opponents

 

[Jim Prideaux]

Bartlett will be next can off the ranks. It's between him and Jhye Richardson. Love Fergus but he needs to pick up 5-10kms of pace to really threaten at the next level. He was decent against the Lions but that's the equivalent of bowling to shield players TBH.

Sure, but it’s also potentially the next English players at a similar point in their career. If he’s taking wickets against them on a docile pitch, surely he has a chance

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

What sort of pace does he usually operate at?

He strikes me as someone who’s usually in the mid 130’s range which can get exposed a bit at the highest level.

Mid to late 130s, it's quick enough. Hazlewood hovers around 138-139 most deliveries with the odd ones hitting 140.

 

[eth-dog]

What sort of pace does he usually operate at?

He strikes me as someone who’s usually in the mid 130’s range which can get exposed a bit at the highest level.

Mid to high on the eye. Which is similar to Haze. And at 26 it's a great time to ease him in for a test in Sydney potentially

 

[western royboy]

Fergus gives me ol' Chadd Sayers vibes. Didn't he average something like 22 for a few seasons straight in the shield?

Chadd Sayers was a FC gun, but again in that era he just wasn’t considered fast enough to be given a crack.

Ironic to watch Carey stand up to the bowlers the other night and undo England when they’ve shunned it themselves

 

[melanChronic]

Pace will likely get found out at international level. He'll be handy in England, South Africa and NZ but otherwise I dare say he'll be a non factor.

I think that was more of a Boof Lehmann line of thinking. Sayers didn't even get his test until the match after Lehmann resigned in disgrace.

McDonald as a former dobbler I reckon would be open to bowlers with less pace and more nous.

 

[western royboy]

I think that was more of a Boof Lehmann line of thinking. Sayers didn't even get his test until the match after Lehmann resigned in disgrace.

McDonald as a former dobbler I reckon would be open to bowlers with less pace and more nous.

As much as I’d like to believe that was the case I doubt it. McDonald was a batting version of Webster, an exceptionally good player with bat or ball, but never good enough to get a game at the highest level with either. I am not sure who wrote the Australian Selectors Manual (possibly Hohns) but it says our first preference is to pick 3 x Tall Fast Bowlers who bowl at a minimum of 140 km in most places.

 

[melanChronic]

As much as I’d like to believe that was the case I doubt it. McDonald was a batting version of Webster, an exceptionally good player with bat or ball, but never good enough to get a game at the highest level with either. I am not sure who wrote the Australian Selectors Manual (possibly Hohns) but it says our first preference is to pick 3 x Tall Fast Bowlers who bowl at a minimum of 140 km in most places.

It's definitely a preference to have bowlers who can bowl 140 clicks, but they don't grow on trees (or if they exist they are often injured). Having these 3 great fast bowlers all around and mainly injury free for so long has been a crazy anomaly. Their level of control and ability to maintain that pace over a match or series is also definitely not a given for high velocity quicks.

If it becomes a choice between Morris and Meredith over Bartlett and O'Neill, then it's a different story. It sounds like there are a decent batch of young express quicks e.g. Beardman and Vidler coming through, but who knows how they'll develop or deal with inevitable injuries at this point. I reckon CA will be very careful to not do a Cummins with the next generational quick that pops up at 18 or 19 years old.

 

[western royboy]

It's definitely a preference to have bowlers who can bowl 140 clicks, but they don't grow on trees (or if they exist they are often injured). Having these 3 great fast bowlers all around and mainly injury free for so long has been a crazy anomaly. Their level of control and ability to maintain that pace over a match or series is also definitely not a given for high velocity quicks.

If it becomes a choice between Morris and Meredith over Bartlett and O'Neill, then it's a different story. It sounds like there are a decent batch of young express quicks e.g. Beardman and Vidler coming through, but who knows how they'll develop or deal with inevitable injuries at this point. I reckon CA will be very careful to not do a Cummins with the next generational quick that pops up at 18 or 19 years old.

When Cummins appeared, bowling restrictions were in and policed at every level except first class. From memory he went into a Shield Final and bowled a shit load of overs under Katich, then went into Test Cricket and we know what happened.

 

[melanChronic]

When Cummins appeared, bowling restrictions were in and policed at every level except first class. From memory he went into a Shield Final and bowled a shit load of overs under Katich, then went into Test Cricket and we know what happened.

Yep exactly, I reckon that's why Beardman is being kept to white ball and CAXI stuff so far, they don't want him in the hands of a FC captain trying to win as priority #1.

I think it's a better option than jeopardising the integrity of the Shield and restricting bowlers there. Mind you Vidler played the final last year (presumably unrestricted) and now he's out for the season I think.

To some extent I think they can't control things too much as anyone bowling proper quick is going to get stress fractures at some point. But they are hopefully getting better at early identification and intervention now which theoretically can lead to faster turnarounds when they happen.

 

[Black Diamond]

All of the great fast bowlers, and many slow bowlers, suffer a significant injury or go through a rough period. It was always stupid policy.