Next Generation

[cullinan]

Are the players they prioritised vastly inferior? I don't know, just asking

NSW should be a net provider of talent though

If they're functioning well, there will be NSW-born cricketers playing all over Australia

I was just making the point that NSW picked a 33 man Academy squad that Olli Patterson couldnt make, but a few months later he is playing BBL.

No one else on that 33 man list played BBL. Singh had a replacement deal with the Sixers.

Are they inferior - I guess thats very subjective. But you would have to assume he has something that the other fast bowlers on that 33 man list dont have. Or as I alluded to in an earlier post, sometimes you just get a lucky break. It doesnt always mean you are better than other players

 

[Westend]

Honestly with the standard of batting atm in the country

its a perfect time for the youngens to make names for themselves and get established in the state teams

 

[Cataholic]

Honestly with the standard of batting atm in the country

its a perfect time for the youngens to make names for themselves and get established in the state teams

Yep. They can spend their time there piling on the runs until our incumbents go into respite.

 

[Mostyn]

Yep. They can spend their time there piling on the runs until our incumbents go into respite.

"piling on the runs"

 

[cats_09]

 

[Mostyn]

Oh, that can **** right off.

 

[toml]

Didnt he get his initial ones at the start of the season? Similar to Vidler but Qld just decided to put him on ice for the season

 

[cullinan]

You have been doing your homework. Lets say I will reserve my judgement on him for another season. But he sure as hell needs to reduce that average.

Caught a fair bit of all the recent Shield games (Kayo is good for something). Some brilliant games. Straker has reduced that average a bit for you with match figures of 7/75. Maybe he will impress you one day.

 

[cullinan]

Tassie Seconds taking on Bulls in Brissie. My 'boy' Louis Smith is playing and asking questions with every ball in his first spell, yet he came on second change. This kids career could well go to the top as he has abundant natural talent. Of course talent isn't everything, need to be a goal setter, be persistent and have the correct temperament to roll with the down times. Does Louis and scores of talented youngsters at his development stage, have what it takes. We will have to see.



Yep its coming down. His next goal should be to drop it to under 30, then to mid 20s and keep it there. If he does that he will impress me.

You are a tough judge on some and very lenient on others (i guess we all have our favourites hey).

Your list of young talent includes someone like Isaac Earl who bowls quite slowish outswing yet you arent impressed with a 20 year old who just took 7/75 in a shield game.

Don't now much of Louis Smith but heard about him a few years ago. . What number do you think he will bat? Is he a genuine all rounder. How do you rate him compared to Aidan O'Connor?

 

[cullinan]

Looks like he is back on ice as no report of him to have surgery. Reckon hed be better off with the surgery, same as Green and Morris had, the 'titanium cage' type invented by an Aussie doctor and reputed to be the best for a lasting recovery. Did Vidler have this surgery?

I doubt they are going to be sending young guys for this kind of surgery. Perhaps later in their careers if it they get ongoinf stress fractures then they may be candidates.

I believe the surgery is mainly done in New Zealand - they were the pioneers of it.

 

[BGman]

Isaac Earl who bowls quite slowish outswing

No he doesnt. Has Straker taken 7 in an inning in club cricket, doubt it. Earl did if my intel is correct or did I post footage of him. I follow so many young kids is hard to keep up. You have your favorites too, seems this bloke is your best.

Don't now much of Louis Smith but heard about him a few years ago.

The 15 yr old who hit a double hundred in a Tasmanian U17 rep match. Did you miss the video I posted. Louis Smith is my latest prime interest cricketer and as you know I have others as I enjoy following the journey of our best young cricketers. Keeps my mind young I suppose.

What number do you think he will bat? Is he a genuine all rounder. How do you rate him compared to Aidan O'Connor?

I think he could develop into a genuine all rounder if he has the attitude to. At the moment I dont think he takes batting all that seriously. Is hard to compare the two at this stage of their careers. Ask me in 12 months should he be given a Tigers contract this season.

 

[cullinan]

No he doesnt. Has Straker taken 7 in an inning in club cricket, doubt it. Earl did if my intel is correct or did I post footage of him. I follow so many young kids is hard to keep up. You have your favorites too, seems this bloke is your best.

The 15 yr old who hit a double hundred in a Tasmanian U17 rep match. Did you miss the video I posted. Louis Smith is my latest interest and he is not alone Is just a hobbie I have as I enjoy following the journey of young cricketers. Keeps my mind young I suppose.

I think he could develop into a genuine all rounder if he has the attitude to. At the moment I dont think he takes batting all that seriously. Is hard to compare the two at this stage of their careers. Ask me in 12 months should he be given a Tigers contract this season.

Wow - 7 in a club game. The professiional guys must wish they could do that in PC rather than FC. I saw your footage and have also seen him bowl at a game - Earl bowls traditional medium pace outswing. He is extremely accurate and a good PC player. I just dont think he should be in the same conversation as the genuine "Next Generation" possibles.

I watched some of Louis Smith's bowling last night in the second xi game. He bowled well and had a few jumping off a length.

 

[cullinan]

In 2015, Australian researchers and surgeons made a significant surgical breakthrough by developing and implanting the first locally-made 3D-printed titanium vertebral cage for a patient with severe spinal pain. This innovation involved a, collaboration between the Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology, renowned neurosurgeon Dr. Marc Coughlan and Anatomics, an Australian medical device company.

I expect the Aussies trained the Kiwis. Why the surgery seems to be more popular there for our cricketers than here, I really cant say. May cost less there.

Maybe that is a newer method that might start to be used more now. However, an NZ orthapedic surgeon was the pioneer of surgey to treat stress fractures in fast bowlers. I beleive Shane Bond was one of the first to get it done in the early 2000's and Cameron Green also went to this same surgeon. Can't recall his name off the top of my head but have a read a few articles about it in the past.

 

[cullinan]

Campbell Thompson with a very tidy 0-39 off 10 on debut in the One Day Cup. Impressive given NSW scored 3-246 off 44 overs chasing the SACA's 7-242

 

[Mighty Eagles]

The pool of first-class bastmen in Australia has never been shallower. It's tragic AF.

 

[Black Diamond]

If we need a top or middle order stop gap for a while then Kurtis Patterson should be the one.

Classy player, mature, and having a good year.

 

[BGman]

Wow - 7 in a club game. The professiional guys must wish they could do that in PC rather than FC. I saw your footage and have also seen him bowl at a game - Earl bowls traditional medium pace outswing. He is extremely accurate and a good PC player. I just dont think he should be in the same conversation as the genuine "Next Generation" possibles.

I watched some of Louis Smith's bowling last night in the second xi game. He bowled well and had a few jumping off a length.

Seven an innings old son. That is excellent at any cricket level. Earl is quicker than medium, but then again I have not seen him live. Stillf fastish out swing is shield territory. He remains in my genuine "Next Generation" possibles. Will be following his progress.

So did I on day one or two. Posted earlier that Smith 'asked questions' with almost every ball in his first spell despite coming on second change after some 20 overs. I am impressed by his ability to worry all bats with his lift from a good length after an almost languid run to the crease. Is all in his whippy release. So does he impress you and are we are finally in agreeance over a bowler.

Academy squad that Olli Patterson couldnt make,

He was rated by selectors two yrs ago as you dont make the 23/4 NSW U19 Academy squad if you are not. He was there with Charlie Anderson, Riley Kingsell, Addison Sherriff, Ryan Hicks, Harjas Singh, Raf MacMillan, Ryan Gupta, Cameron Frendo, Sam Konstas. Did he play in the winning WC team? Know he was not part of the Junior Ashes, unlike 6 guys on that list.

Campbell Thompson

He played for his state yesterday but his opening partner in recent CA rep match, Charlie Anderson hasnt added to his List A tally since same time last yr. Has to be a better bowler since then. Just turned 21 so time to give him more state exposure useless selectors.

Been talking up Campbell since that rep game. With Starc nearing the end, CA will likely want to continue with a quality left arm swing man in its attack. There is Thompson and Liam Haskett to choose from, any more worthy candidates?

 

[BGman]

If we need a top or middle order stop gap for a while then Kurtis Patterson should be the one.

Classy player, mature, and having a good year.

He has had an excellent past two seasons, av close to @50 and after a lean few yrs. That marathon ton will certainly have him back on the CA radar and he'd be the perfect guy for a stop gap role if selectors wanted to go that way.

its a perfect time for the youngens to make names for themselves and get established in the state teams

Name us a few of your candidates Westend?

 

[BGman]

Are the players they prioritised vastly inferior? I don't know, just asking

Shipperd is Academy head coach and he has just been sacked as Blues coach. That may tell us something re the appointed Academy scholars. Below are some I have seen in PC, Second X1 and U19s and imho they all show early promise.

Will Byrom, Luke Callanan, Lachlan Bartlett, Nitesh Samuel, Liam Doddrell, Brock Fitton, Alex Lee-Young, Ryan Gupta, John James, Julian Osbourne, Harjas Singh, Coby Holland.

Seven of the 33 man squad are eligible for the a crack with the Blues in the coming season, a new scheme offered to ensure opportunities remain open for emerging talent that make strong performances in lower tier comps. They may well come from that 12.

 

[BGman]

If they're functioning well, there will be NSW-born cricketers playing all over Australia

Not so well past decade, when was their last Test cricketer. Still there are players scattered across all states as the talent pool may be dryer but cricket participation across all levels remains robust.

 

[cullinan]

He was rated by selectors two yrs ago as you dont make the 23/4 NSW U19 Academy squad if you are not. He was there with Charlie Anderson, Riley Kingsell, Addison Sherriff, Ryan Hicks, Harjas Singh, Raf MacMillan, Ryan Gupta, Cameron Frendo, Sam Konstas. Did he play in the winning WC team? Know he was not part of the Junior Ashes, unlike 6 guys on that list.

There were two other New South Welshman that were selected for the Junior Ashes that toured England. There was that fast bowler you have no time for and then Luke Callanan was an injury replacement. Charlie Anderson didnt make that trip as I believe he was injured with a stress fracture.

Ollie Patterson did not play in the winning WC team - I thought you were all over this kind of stuff. He didnt play in the NSW U/19 Metro team that won the Nationals prior to the WC winning team being selected. He was an underage guy that year and from memory he was injured an unavailable for NSW selection. He did make the Aussie U/19 team in the winter that toured India after the highly rated 6 that were part of the WC winning team exited age group cricket. I still think its strange that he wasn't selected in the 33 man academy squad for this season.

Seven an innings old son. That is excellent at any cricket level. Earl is quicker than medium, but then again I have not seen him live. Stillf fastish out swing is shield territory. He remains in my genuine "Next Generation" possibles. Will be following his progress.

Earl currently has 21 PC scalps @ 24.19. Would you rate him higher than Brad Simpson (Bankstown) who has 37 @ 20.19, Josh Seward (Easts) with 27 @ 23.19 or Liam Dodrell (Penrith) 24 @ 24.17. I just hand picked a few Sydney PC quicks who are still 24 or under. There are many more with averages around the late teens to 25.

I'll go out on a limb here and say I just dont think an Isaac Early type bowler will play Shield. For his sake, I would love to be wrong and hope he does get to play as I know every young fella playing PC dreams of playing pro cricket.

Im guessing you know Parra cricket quite well. You also mentioned Patrick Xie (former Parra batter) as a batting prospoect and have Ryan Gupta (leggie) in your list. What do you think of young Parra quick Kye Thornley? He made that 33 man Academy squad for this season but is unfortunately injured. in the 24/25 season he took 29 wickets @ 18.52 in first grade.

There are a host of seamers in PC cricket around the country that are 24 years and under average low 20's with the ball. To get noticed or selected I think you need to have something different. You need some air speed and you need skills. Premier cricket is not full of guys who can push over 130 - the ones that do tend to get noticed.

There are plenty that go round year after year taking a million wickets but never get a look in because they are probably bowling 115-120-125 tops and selectors at the next level think they will get exposed at that pace against the better batters.

Michael Sullivan from Parra is probably a good example. 25/26 has 30 wickets @ 20.4. 24/25 took 47 @ 18.19. 23/24 took 37 @ 19.84. He is a fantasticly consistent PC seamer probably operating around 120 and pushing up to 125 but is never mentioned in discussions about contracts or second x1

 

[cullinan]

So did I on day one or two. Posted earlier that Smith 'asked questions' with almost every ball in his first spell despite coming on second change after some 20 overs. I am impressed by his ability to worry all bats with his lift from a good length after an almost languid run to the crease. Is all in his whippy release. So does he impress you and are we are finally in agreeance over a bowler.

I'd like to see him live before saying if belongs in the list of generation Next possibilities like Beardman, Vidler, Straker, Anderson, Balkin, Whitney, Patterson, Esterhuysen, O'Connor, Thompson and the slightly older brigade of Nisbet, Elliot, Perry, Jacobs, O'Neil, Hadley, Buckingham, Edwards, Sutherland etc.

An indicator might be if he gets contracted at Tassie for next season.

 

[toml]

If we need a top or middle order stop gap for a while then Kurtis Patterson should be the one.

Classy player, mature, and having a good year.

It's a bit iffy when you break it down a bit more. He's made 10 scores under 10 in 14 innings in the shield this season. All his runs have come in 4 innings, proper rocks or diamonds.

 

[Mighty Eagles]

If we need a top or middle order stop gap for a while then Kurtis Patterson should be the one.

Classy player, mature, and having a good year.

If he continues his good first-class form with the bat, then he should be considered returning to the Test team.

 

[cullinan]

On another note, WA named a young left arm quick in their One Day squad for yesterdays game, however he didnt make the XI. His name is Jordan Quiggan, a tall left arm young quick.

I remember he was the leading wicket taker at the U/19 Nationals the season before last. This season from limited games in PC firsts in WA he has 11 wickets @ 9.18.

Another WA quick - they sure can produce them. Maybe he might be a potential long term Starc replacement.