Next Generation

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Mitch Jameison putting in a good shift on debut for the Vic 2nd XI moving past 150. before getting out.

Liam Blackford still there on 71*

 

[1990crow]

Campbell Thompson with a very tidy 0-39 off 10 on debut in the One Day Cup. Impressive given NSW scored 3-246 off 44 overs chasing the SACA's 7-242

Bowled beautifully today in the shield. Tight and took wickets.

 

[1990crow]

Really bad day of cricket across the shield for our future prospects. The pitch preparation needs to be taken seriously by cricket Australia if we want to remain a dominant test outfit.

 

[RookiePick]

Really bad day of cricket across the shield for our future prospects. The pitch preparation needs to be taken seriously by cricket Australia if we want to remain a dominant test outfit.

Ollie Peakes duck



This is not a pitch issue.

 

[1990crow]

Ollie Peakes duck

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This is not a pitch issue.

Gabba was a green top. Unhelpful.

 

[cullinan]

The pitch preparation needs to be taken seriously by cricket Australia if we want to remain a dominant test outfit.

Batting is obviously hard work at the Gabba and Hobart on green tops, but what did you want the Gabba curator to do when he had three days of constant rain and it only stopped during the evening yesterday. I think he did well to have it ready for the start of play?

Did you see Carey get out - shocking ball and should have been despatched for four. Hunt got a nice outswinger - it was a half volley. Nothing to do with the pitch - the ball just swung.

Some batters undone by seam movement and can count themselves unlucky, others undone by poor batting.

Yes the pitches are tough to bat on, but the batters also need to be better. Hayden Kerr bats 8 for the Bulls and managed 40 odd - it cant be a total minefield out there.

 

[cullinan]

Gabba was a green top. Unhelpful.

Maybe with advances AI technology in years to come we can manipulate the weather so there are no green tops

 

[Mostyn]

It’s up to ICC, Cricket Australia etc to ensure players who play first-class cricket are well remunerated. Funds from T20 must be poured back into first-class cricket so that form doesn’t dwindle out of our game.

That seems a bit naive.

The players earning that money for the game are going to want the lion's share of it.

 

[Mighty Eagles]

That seems a bit naive.

The players earning that money for the game are going to want the lion's share of it.

I find that approach myopic and weak.

If administrators don’t funnel some of the revenue from T20 into first-class cricket, the format will die. It’s that simple.

 

[western royboy]

I find that approach myopic and weak.

If administrators don’t funnel some of the revenue from T20 into first-class cricket, the format will die. It’s that simple.

Is dying a slow death, but when the end comes it will come quickly, it always does. County Cricket in massive trouble, pathways set up for white ball, it’s only heading one way.

 

[Black Diamond]

The money only flows upwards. Every sport at grade/premier/state league (whatever you want to call it) and at regional level is suffering.

 

[Mostyn]

I find that approach myopic and weak.

If administrators don’t funnel some of the revenue from T20 into first-class cricket, the format will die. It’s that simple.

The money the admin earns from T20 should be used however the feel best.

But the players should always receive the majority of my it, and I don't think you'll see funds that could be going to them being syphoned away to subsidize lower leagues.

 

[jannissary]

before people becry me for my #VICBIAS, just what exactly do the selectors see in young cooper connolly. he currently averages 4 with the bat and 77 with the ball in t20i, while
being mostly non-threatening with either during this competition. if he’s a batsman who can bowl a bit, why is he at 8, if he’s the other way around, why are people saying he should bat up the order at three.

what exactly is it that he offers right now

 

[Black Diamond]

before people becry me for my #VICBIAS, just what exactly do the selectors see in young cooper connolly. he currently averages 4 with the bat and 77 with the ball in t20i, while
being mostly non-threatening with either during this competition. if he’s a batsman who can bowl a bit, why is he at 8, if he’s the other way around, why are people saying he should bat up the order at three.

what exactly is it that he offers right now

Not a Victorian. I have all of these same questions.

Not a single one of his international selections in any format has been justified. Not on form, not on record, not on a needs basis, and not on any other attribute.

 

[Westend]

Not a Victorian. I have all of these same questions.

Not a single one of his international selections in any format has been justified. Not on form, not on record, not on a needs basis, and not on any other attribute.

yeah fair argument

he is not a total loss yet ...ave 31 with the blade in 8 ODI and 22 with the ball...this includes a 50 not out and a 5 for

just want him back into the shield ASAP

 

[cullinan]

Connolly looks like an excellent batter. Going well in FC cricket with the blade so hopefully a test player one day. I dont think his bowling is suited to red ball (he debuted in a test match as a bowler who batted # 8 without a first class wicket. Thats just weird and wrong)

Im sure he'll develop into a good all rounder in white ball cricket though.

And yes, he has been given opportunitoies based on potential, much like Beardman. Both have been hyped based on what they might become. If they become Australian stalwarts, everyone will say the decision to blood them based on potential was a genius move. If they fall away, we will all say the selectors got it horroibly wrong.

On Connolly, his recent form doesnt justify selection IMO

 

[western royboy]

Connolly looks like an excellent batter. Going well in FC cricket with the blade so hopefully a test player one day. I dont think his bowling is suited to red ball (he debuted in a test match as a bowler who batted # 8 without a first class wicket. Thats just weird and wrong)

Im sure he'll develop into a good all rounder in white ball cricket though.

And yes, he has been given opportunitoies based on potential, much like Beardman. Both have been hyped based on what they might become. If they become Australian stalwarts, everyone will say the decision to blood them based on potential was a genius move. If they fall away, we will all say the selectors got it horroibly wrong.

On Connolly, his recent form doesnt justify selection IMO

He has a very poor batting technique (split grip) to make it as a bat at higher levels on anything other than roads. His current run of form highlights it.

He and Konstas are not Faf. Yet for the past two years these two have been the poster boys.

If you’ve had any exposure to pathways cricket, it’s these bullshit trick shots thar are pushed down the kids throats as being the way to play. The problem is the basics of batting haven’t changed for over 100 years and it’s rank stupidity to walk away from them now. So ironically in a T20 World Cup it’s basic batsmanship that has brought Australia undone. I wish the kids no ill, only that someone helps them soon or they will be wasted.

Talent is the most overrated thing in the game.

 

[cullinan]

I read so much on these forums about how all the pitches in Sheffield Shield are cooked and so bowler friendly and how unfair it is to batters, yet Connolly who you say only has a technique that can succeed on roads is averaging 45.88 from 12 games with 9 fifties.

Maybe in your opinion thats a reflection of the bowling standards in Australian domestic cricket?

I agree with the overall sentiment that Connolly is getting opportunities that don't align with what he is achieving at present.

 

[western royboy]

I read so much on these forums about how all the pitches in Sheffield Shield are cooked and so bowler friendly and how unfair it is to batters, yet Connolly who you say only has a technique that can succeed on roads is averaging 45.88 from 12 games with 9 fifties.

Maybe in your opinion thats a reflection of the bowling standards in Australian domestic cricket?

I agree with the overall sentiment that Connolly is getting opportunities that don't align with what he is achieving at present.

The gaps between every level of the pyramid are getting bigger and bigger every year. There is no effort to reduce them. Personally I have zero faith in the Pathway system, simply because it is not producing the players that we need. Out 1st Class system is proof of that. I do not understand why we changed the points system in the Sheffield Shield. It wasn’t broken so why did we need to fix it. We once had the best system in the world, we don’t now and I think it’s irretrievable.

Cricket isn’t AFL, players (particularly batsmen) take time. The infatuation with U/19’s is a misnomer because every year there will be a side. The fallout rate is gigantic.

 

[jannissary]

yeah fair argument

he is not a total loss yet ...ave 31 with the blade in 8 ODI and 22 with the ball...this includes a 50 not out and a 5 for

just want him back into the shield ASAP

i think the more time he has to perfect his trade, the better it’ll be. i can see from his fc form that he’s solid with bat & ball, but i just don’t see the translation to short form currently.

 

[cullinan]

The gaps between every level of the pyramid are getting bigger and bigger every year. There is no effort to reduce them. Personally I have zero faith in the Pathway system, simply because it is not producing the players that we need. Out 1st Class system is proof of that. I do not understand why we changed the points system in the Sheffield Shield. It wasn’t broken so why did we need to fix it. We once had the best system in the world, we don’t now and I think it’s irretrievable.

Cricket isn’t AFL, players (particularly batsmen) take time. The infatuation with U/19’s is a misnomer because every year there will be a side. The fallout rate is gigantic.

Is it reallyan infatuation? In recent times there has been Konstas, Connolly and Beardman. Am i missing anyoe else? Or are you talking about domestic cricket as well?

I agreed with you about Connolly - he is getting selected based on talent and not performances. Are you happy that he plays domestic cricket? His records there are quite good?

From Connolly's U/19 year (2022), is there anyone else who has played for Australia?

From the winning team in 2024, is there anyone other than Beardman (1 T20) that has played for Australia?

 

[Aussie_boy]

It feels like the batting gets worse by the Shield round. Almost like any bowler should come in and average under 30 with the ball straight away.

 

[cullinan]

It feels like the batting gets worse by the Shield round. Almost like any bowler should come in and average under 30 with the ball straight away.

Are you saying anyone that averages 30 and above isnt good enough to play domestic cricket this season? Jye Richardson currently averaging 31.66.

 

[Aussie_boy]

Are you saying anyone that averages 30 and above isnt good enough to play domestic cricket this season? Jye Richardson currently averaging 31.66.

Just saying it's expected these days, for the record 39 bowlers in the Shield averaging under 30, stats are skewed a bit with one gamers and what not but still.

Only two regular pace bowlers averaging over 30:
Jackson Bird- 7 games, 19 wickets @30.78
Ryan Hadley- 6 games, 12 wickets @34.25

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Nasty hit to the helmet for Ollie Peake
Retired hurt
Hope he's okay