Next week team selection

[TigerImposter]

Uhh, so you guys all know that Knights is retired right?

Also...

I didn't want Knights I just want anybody who is fit and available as I know they will be more advantageous than Newman

 

[ReaperX]

I didn't want Knights I just want anybody who is fit and available as I know they will be more advantageous than Newman

So you think Newman is our absolute worst player on the list?

 

[TigerImposter]

So you think Newman is our absolute worst player on the list?

In the team atm not the list

 

[ReaperX]

In the team atm not the list

Okay, so let's unpack this a bit further then.

Of the entire 44 man playing list (38 senior, 6 rookies), the following players have retired and are not available for selection:

Nathan Foley - senior
Ricky Petterd - senior
Chris Knights - senior

We have 6 rookie listed players, of which we've elevated the maximum that we can, Kane Lambert and Matt Thomas. The other 4 (Castagna, Short, Soldo, and Arnot) are therefore not available for selection.

So already just based on that, we're down to 37 available players, to field a team of 22.

Of those remaining 37 players, here are players currently injured and unable to play senior footy (not including aforementioned retirees and rookies who might be on the injury list):

Nathan Drummond
Ben Griffiths
Corey Ellis
Reece Conca

That leaves us with 33 senior players who are available for selection.

Now, given form throughout the season, of those 33, we can safely assume that the following players are locks for Best 22 action atm:

Brett Deledio
Dustin Martin
Trent Cotchin
Jack Riewoldt
Shane Edwards
Alex Rance
Ivan Maric
Troy Chaplin
Bachar Houli
Shaun Grigg
Tyrone Vickery
Taylor Hunt
Jake Batchelor
Anthony Miles
Brandon Ellis
Kamdyn McIntosh
Nick Vlastuin
Ben Lennon
Kane Lambert

So that's 19 guys out of that remaining 33 who you'd probably say deserve their current spot. But there's still 3 spaces remaining, so we need 3 players out of the remaining 14 to fill those spots. The remaining 14 players are:

Matt Thomas
Shaun Hampson
Steven Morris
Nathan Gordon
Sam Lloyd
David Astbury
Matthew Dea
Todd Elton
Matthew McDonough
Liam McBean
Reece McKenzie
Daniel Butler
Connor Menadue

and of course, Chris Newman.

TI, out of those remaining 14 players, who would you have ahead in actual output over Chris Newman? Remember, there has to be at least 3 in order to have Newman's spot on the team compromised, but probably closer to 4 or 5 in reality, to account for recent form as well.

Forget potential, or getting games into some of the younger ones for experience, we're in a finals series now. I'm talking about tangible performance + experience here.

There is some talent in those last 14 names, and I think it will hold us in good stead in years to come (Newy has already announced he is leaving at the end of the year, so his spot in the future is up for grabs).

But as a 250+ gamer, even if he isn't impacting games as well as he used to in his prime, do you honestly think that there are 3 guys in that list of 14 players who would perform better than him, not to mention bring the leadership qualities that he has as well?

Hell, I'll extend the olive branch a bit further, and we'll even forget about the leadership qualities for a moment, and focus PURELY on his stats and output in a game....

Again, I repeat my question to you; Have any of those players in that last list of 14, let alone 3 of them, ever had a game in the AFL senior team, that is better than an average Chris Newman game?

I whole-heartedly agree that Newman is a fringe player right now. But he's a player with a ton of experience, and his form still justifies him being in the 22 man squad, in my opinion.

Whilst for future development of players, he probably shouldn't get a game over a younger kid with a slightly lower current output, in a finals series we need all the old heads we can get, and Newman is still a quality football player, albeit well past his absolute prime of course.

He will perform better in a final than probably a vast majority of those 14 players listed. His position in our team all year has been a 20th-22nd best player, and that's where it's at now.

 

[Tony Harrison]

Okay, so let's unpack this a bit further then.

Of the entire 44 man playing list (38 senior, 6 rookies), the following players have retired and are not available for selection:

Nathan Foley - senior
Ricky Petterd - senior
Chris Knights - senior

We have 6 rookie listed players, of which we've elevated the maximum that we can, Kane Lambert and Matt Thomas. The other 4 (Castagna, Short, Soldo, and Arnot) are therefore not available for selection.

So already just based on that, we're down to 37 available players, to field a team of 22.

Of those remaining 37 players, here are players currently injured and unable to play senior footy (not including aforementioned retirees and rookies who might be on the injury list):

Nathan Drummond
Ben Griffiths
Corey Ellis
Reece Conca

That leaves us with 33 senior players who are available for selection.

Now, given form throughout the season, of those 33, we can safely assume that the following players are locks for Best 22 action atm:

Brett Deledio
Dustin Martin
Trent Cotchin
Jack Riewoldt
Shane Edwards
Alex Rance
Ivan Maric
Troy Chaplin
Bachar Houli
Shaun Grigg
Tyrone Vickery
Taylor Hunt
Jake Batchelor
Anthony Miles
Brandon Ellis
Kamdyn McIntosh
Nick Vlastuin
Ben Lennon
Kane Lambert

So that's 19 guys out of that remaining 33 who you'd probably say deserve their current spot. But there's still 3 spaces remaining, so we need 3 players out of the remaining 14 to fill those spots. The remaining 14 players are:

Matt Thomas
Shaun Hampson
Steven Morris
Nathan Gordon
Sam Lloyd
David Astbury
Matthew Dea
Todd Elton
Matthew McDonough
Liam McBean
Reece McKenzie
Daniel Butler
Connor Menadue

and of course, Chris Newman.

TI, out of those remaining 14 players, who would you have ahead in actual output over Chris Newman? Remember, there has to be at least 3 in order to have Newman's spot on the team compromised, but probably closer to 4 or 5 in reality, to account for recent form as well.

Forget potential, or getting games into some of the younger ones for experience, we're in a finals series now. I'm talking about tangible performance + experience here.

There is some talent in those last 14 names, and I think it will hold us in good stead in years to come (Newy has already announced he is leaving at the end of the year, so his spot in the future is up for grabs).

But as a 250+ gamer, even if he isn't impacting games as well as he used to in his prime, do you honestly think that there are 3 guys in that list of 14 players who would perform better than him, not to mention bring the leadership qualities that he has as well?

Hell, I'll extend the olive branch a bit further, and we'll even forget about the leadership qualities for a moment, and focus PURELY on his stats and output in a game....

Again, I repeat my question to you; Have any of those players in that last list of 14, let alone 3 of them, ever had a game in the AFL senior team, that is better than an average Chris Newman game?

I whole-heartedly agree that Newman is a fringe player right now. But he's a player with a ton of experience, and his form still justifies him being in the 22 man squad, in my opinion.

Whilst for future development of players, he probably shouldn't get a game over a younger kid with a slightly lower current output, in a finals series we need all the old heads we can get, and Newman is still a quality football player, albeit well past his absolute prime of course.

He will perform better in a final than probably a vast majority of those 14 players listed. His position in our team all year has been a 20th-22nd best player, and that's where it's at now.

Only need to select two players from the list of 14 as you forgot Grimes.
How could you forget Grimes!




Newman still makes it.

 

[Dags21]

If fit I would include Griffiths. A lot don't rate him here, but on Friday night jr8 was getting double and triple teamed. Not to mention he plays better than Vicks as th second ruck. That might make us a bit top heavy, but we need to make all their big defenders accountable.. Maybe McBean as a shock selection!!

 

[Rodney Dangerfield]

Give it a rest. Seriously.

He can't.
Every thread.

 

[TigerImposter]

Okay, so let's unpack this a bit further then.

Of the entire 44 man playing list (38 senior, 6 rookies), the following players have retired and are not available for selection:

Nathan Foley - senior
Ricky Petterd - senior
Chris Knights - senior

We have 6 rookie listed players, of which we've elevated the maximum that we can, Kane Lambert and Matt Thomas. The other 4 (Castagna, Short, Soldo, and Arnot) are therefore not available for selection.

So already just based on that, we're down to 37 available players, to field a team of 22.

Of those remaining 37 players, here are players currently injured and unable to play senior footy (not including aforementioned retirees and rookies who might be on the injury list):

Nathan Drummond
Ben Griffiths
Corey Ellis
Reece Conca

That leaves us with 33 senior players who are available for selection.

Now, given form throughout the season, of those 33, we can safely assume that the following players are locks for Best 22 action atm:

Brett Deledio
Dustin Martin
Trent Cotchin
Jack Riewoldt
Shane Edwards
Alex Rance
Ivan Maric
Troy Chaplin
Bachar Houli
Shaun Grigg
Tyrone Vickery
Taylor Hunt
Jake Batchelor
Anthony Miles
Brandon Ellis
Kamdyn McIntosh
Nick Vlastuin
Ben Lennon
Kane Lambert

So that's 19 guys out of that remaining 33 who you'd probably say deserve their current spot. But there's still 3 spaces remaining, so we need 3 players out of the remaining 14 to fill those spots. The remaining 14 players are:

Matt Thomas
Shaun Hampson
Steven Morris
Nathan Gordon
Sam Lloyd
David Astbury
Matthew Dea
Todd Elton
Matthew McDonough
Liam McBean
Reece McKenzie
Daniel Butler
Connor Menadue

and of course, Chris Newman.

TI, out of those remaining 14 players, who would you have ahead in actual output over Chris Newman? Remember, there has to be at least 3 in order to have Newman's spot on the team compromised, but probably closer to 4 or 5 in reality, to account for recent form as well.

Forget potential, or getting games into some of the younger ones for experience, we're in a finals series now. I'm talking about tangible performance + experience here.

There is some talent in those last 14 names, and I think it will hold us in good stead in years to come (Newy has already announced he is leaving at the end of the year, so his spot in the future is up for grabs).

But as a 250+ gamer, even if he isn't impacting games as well as he used to in his prime, do you honestly think that there are 3 guys in that list of 14 players who would perform better than him, not to mention bring the leadership qualities that he has as well?

Hell, I'll extend the olive branch a bit further, and we'll even forget about the leadership qualities for a moment, and focus PURELY on his stats and output in a game....

Again, I repeat my question to you; Have any of those players in that last list of 14, let alone 3 of them, ever had a game in the AFL senior team, that is better than an average Chris Newman game?

I whole-heartedly agree that Newman is a fringe player right now. But he's a player with a ton of experience, and his form still justifies him being in the 22 man squad, in my opinion.

Whilst for future development of players, he probably shouldn't get a game over a younger kid with a slightly lower current output, in a finals series we need all the old heads we can get, and Newman is still a quality football player, albeit well past his absolute prime of course.

He will perform better in a final than probably a vast majority of those 14 players listed. His position in our team all year has been a 20th-22nd best player, and that's where it's at now.

tl;dr
Why can't Knights play?

 

[Boggle]

Okay, so let's unpack this a bit further then...

Good post, ReaperX.

I think you're right: despite the fact that Newy is down on form and not the player he was, he will be valuable in a finals campaign and we don't really have an adequate replacement.

A fit Knights would have been the one, I think, but it's not to be.

Based on what you presented above, I'd lean toward Newy holding his spot despite the obvious objections.

 

[prodigy]

Uhh, so you guys all know that Knights is retired right?

Also...

Knights retires at the end of the season (including finals), same with Newman.

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[tigs2010]

Knights is as available as Newy ReaperX

 

[Tzatziki_Man]

Maric will get monstered by Goldstein, think of what Daw did to him x 2. Might need Hampson...

 

[prodigy]

Maric will get monstered by Goldstein, think of what Daw did to him x 2. Might need Hampson...

I did notice this, I'm not sure if we will bring in Hampson though, we may go with the tactic that we use against Freo, our mids roving to Goldstein's tap work?

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[TigerImposter]

I would play Morris before Newman just to hurt their forwards a bit

 

[RememberRoyce]

Okay, so let's unpack this a bit further then.

Of the entire 44 man playing list (38 senior, 6 rookies), the following players have retired and are not available for selection:

Nathan Foley - senior
Ricky Petterd - senior
Chris Knights - senior

We have 6 rookie listed players, of which we've elevated the maximum that we can, Kane Lambert and Matt Thomas. The other 4 (Castagna, Short, Soldo, and Arnot) are therefore not available for selection.

So already just based on that, we're down to 37 available players, to field a team of 22.

Of those remaining 37 players, here are players currently injured and unable to play senior footy (not including aforementioned retirees and rookies who might be on the injury list):

Nathan Drummond
Ben Griffiths
Corey Ellis
Reece Conca

That leaves us with 33 senior players who are available for selection.

Now, given form throughout the season, of those 33, we can safely assume that the following players are locks for Best 22 action atm:

Brett Deledio
Dustin Martin
Trent Cotchin
Jack Riewoldt
Shane Edwards
Alex Rance
Ivan Maric
Troy Chaplin
Bachar Houli
Shaun Grigg
Tyrone Vickery
Taylor Hunt
Jake Batchelor
Anthony Miles
Brandon Ellis
Kamdyn McIntosh
Nick Vlastuin
Ben Lennon
Kane Lambert

So that's 19 guys out of that remaining 33 who you'd probably say deserve their current spot. But there's still 3 spaces remaining, so we need 3 players out of the remaining 14 to fill those spots. The remaining 14 players are:

Matt Thomas
Shaun Hampson
Steven Morris
Nathan Gordon
Sam Lloyd
David Astbury
Matthew Dea
Todd Elton
Matthew McDonough
Liam McBean
Reece McKenzie
Daniel Butler
Connor Menadue

and of course, Chris Newman.

TI, out of those remaining 14 players, who would you have ahead in actual output over Chris Newman? Remember, there has to be at least 3 in order to have Newman's spot on the team compromised, but probably closer to 4 or 5 in reality, to account for recent form as well.

Forget potential, or getting games into some of the younger ones for experience, we're in a finals series now. I'm talking about tangible performance + experience here.

There is some talent in those last 14 names, and I think it will hold us in good stead in years to come (Newy has already announced he is leaving at the end of the year, so his spot in the future is up for grabs).

But as a 250+ gamer, even if he isn't impacting games as well as he used to in his prime, do you honestly think that there are 3 guys in that list of 14 players who would perform better than him, not to mention bring the leadership qualities that he has as well?

Hell, I'll extend the olive branch a bit further, and we'll even forget about the leadership qualities for a moment, and focus PURELY on his stats and output in a game....

Again, I repeat my question to you; Have any of those players in that last list of 14, let alone 3 of them, ever had a game in the AFL senior team, that is better than an average Chris Newman game?

I whole-heartedly agree that Newman is a fringe player right now. But he's a player with a ton of experience, and his form still justifies him being in the 22 man squad, in my opinion.

Whilst for future development of players, he probably shouldn't get a game over a younger kid with a slightly lower current output, in a finals series we need all the old heads we can get, and Newman is still a quality football player, albeit well past his absolute prime of course.

He will perform better in a final than probably a vast majority of those 14 players listed. His position in our team all year has been a 20th-22nd best player, and that's where it's at now.

The maths seemed out and it took me a while to work out. You forgot Grimes. So only two places.
Edit: and someone else was better at finding him i see.
Lloyd is one...so Newman or Morris. Newman for me!

 

[_RT_]

Okay, so let's unpack this a bit further then.

Of the entire 44 man playing list (38 senior, 6 rookies), the following players have retired and are not available for selection:

Nathan Foley - senior
Ricky Petterd - senior
Chris Knights - senior

We have 6 rookie listed players, of which we've elevated the maximum that we can, Kane Lambert and Matt Thomas. The other 4 (Castagna, Short, Soldo, and Arnot) are therefore not available for selection.

So already just based on that, we're down to 37 available players, to field a team of 22.

Of those remaining 37 players, here are players currently injured and unable to play senior footy (not including aforementioned retirees and rookies who might be on the injury list):

Nathan Drummond
Ben Griffiths
Corey Ellis
Reece Conca

That leaves us with 33 senior players who are available for selection.

Now, given form throughout the season, of those 33, we can safely assume that the following players are locks for Best 22 action atm:

Brett Deledio
Dustin Martin
Trent Cotchin
Jack Riewoldt
Shane Edwards
Alex Rance
Ivan Maric
Troy Chaplin
Bachar Houli
Shaun Grigg
Tyrone Vickery
Taylor Hunt
Jake Batchelor
Anthony Miles
Brandon Ellis
Kamdyn McIntosh
Nick Vlastuin
Ben Lennon
Kane Lambert

So that's 19 guys out of that remaining 33 who you'd probably say deserve their current spot. But there's still 3 spaces remaining, so we need 3 players out of the remaining 14 to fill those spots. The remaining 14 players are:

Matt Thomas
Shaun Hampson
Steven Morris
Nathan Gordon
Sam Lloyd
David Astbury
Matthew Dea
Todd Elton
Matthew McDonough
Liam McBean
Reece McKenzie
Daniel Butler
Connor Menadue

and of course, Chris Newman.

TI, out of those remaining 14 players, who would you have ahead in actual output over Chris Newman? Remember, there has to be at least 3 in order to have Newman's spot on the team compromised, but probably closer to 4 or 5 in reality, to account for recent form as well.

Forget potential, or getting games into some of the younger ones for experience, we're in a finals series now. I'm talking about tangible performance + experience here.

There is some talent in those last 14 names, and I think it will hold us in good stead in years to come (Newy has already announced he is leaving at the end of the year, so his spot in the future is up for grabs).

But as a 250+ gamer, even if he isn't impacting games as well as he used to in his prime, do you honestly think that there are 3 guys in that list of 14 players who would perform better than him, not to mention bring the leadership qualities that he has as well?

Hell, I'll extend the olive branch a bit further, and we'll even forget about the leadership qualities for a moment, and focus PURELY on his stats and output in a game....

Again, I repeat my question to you; Have any of those players in that last list of 14, let alone 3 of them, ever had a game in the AFL senior team, that is better than an average Chris Newman game?

I whole-heartedly agree that Newman is a fringe player right now. But he's a player with a ton of experience, and his form still justifies him being in the 22 man squad, in my opinion.

Whilst for future development of players, he probably shouldn't get a game over a younger kid with a slightly lower current output, in a finals series we need all the old heads we can get, and Newman is still a quality football player, albeit well past his absolute prime of course.

He will perform better in a final than probably a vast majority of those 14 players listed. His position in our team all year has been a 20th-22nd best player, and that's where it's at now.

Knights is available so to is Castagna as he has elevated before the end of the season as well. Unlikely either get selected though.

 

[Madtiger2006]

No change. Conca 2 weeks off playing good footy

 

[maraudingtiger]

Good post, ReaperX Ditto

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

In all honesty,Id bring in Mcbean in for Lloyd.
I like Lloyd,But if jack once again gets smothered,means we have to rely on Vickery.That makes me nervous.
2 things by bringing Mcbean in.
If you look at our side we actually don't have a backup tall for either end.Imagine if Chaplin goes down,or even Ivan.
Secondly the 3 combo talls worked well when we beat Freo/Syd.Haw.

 

[DeseRigs]

We'll be fine as long as we don't allow Norf the loose man in defence. Someone has to man up on Hansen.

 

[Groupie_]

I think they should drop Maric for Hammer

Will give our mids better use

 

[TheAnt]

Knights is retiring at the end of the season.

 

[cairo tiger]

Okay, so let's unpack this a bit further then.

Of the entire 44 man playing list (38 senior, 6 rookies), the following players have retired and are not available for selection:

Nathan Foley - senior
Ricky Petterd - senior
Chris Knights - senior

We have 6 rookie listed players, of which we've elevated the maximum that we can, Kane Lambert and Matt Thomas. The other 4 (Castagna, Short, Soldo, and Arnot) are therefore not available for selection.

So already just based on that, we're down to 37 available players, to field a team of 22.

Of those remaining 37 players, here are players currently injured and unable to play senior footy (not including aforementioned retirees and rookies who might be on the injury list):

Nathan Drummond
Ben Griffiths
Corey Ellis
Reece Conca

That leaves us with 33 senior players who are available for selection.

Now, given form throughout the season, of those 33, we can safely assume that the following players are locks for Best 22 action atm:

Brett Deledio
Dustin Martin
Trent Cotchin
Jack Riewoldt
Shane Edwards
Alex Rance
Ivan Maric
Troy Chaplin
Bachar Houli
Shaun Grigg
Tyrone Vickery
Taylor Hunt
Jake Batchelor
Anthony Miles
Brandon Ellis
Kamdyn McIntosh
Nick Vlastuin
Ben Lennon
Kane Lambert

So that's 19 guys out of that remaining 33 who you'd probably say deserve their current spot. But there's still 3 spaces remaining, so we need 3 players out of the remaining 14 to fill those spots. The remaining 14 players are:

Matt Thomas
Shaun Hampson
Steven Morris
Nathan Gordon
Sam Lloyd
David Astbury
Matthew Dea
Todd Elton
Matthew McDonough
Liam McBean
Reece McKenzie
Daniel Butler
Connor Menadue

and of course, Chris Newman.

TI, out of those remaining 14 players, who would you have ahead in actual output over Chris Newman? Remember, there has to be at least 3 in order to have Newman's spot on the team compromised, but probably closer to 4 or 5 in reality, to account for recent form as well.

Forget potential, or getting games into some of the younger ones for experience, we're in a finals series now. I'm talking about tangible performance + experience here.

There is some talent in those last 14 names, and I think it will hold us in good stead in years to come (Newy has already announced he is leaving at the end of the year, so his spot in the future is up for grabs).

But as a 250+ gamer, even if he isn't impacting games as well as he used to in his prime, do you honestly think that there are 3 guys in that list of 14 players who would perform better than him, not to mention bring the leadership qualities that he has as well?

Hell, I'll extend the olive branch a bit further, and we'll even forget about the leadership qualities for a moment, and focus PURELY on his stats and output in a game....

Again, I repeat my question to you; Have any of those players in that last list of 14, let alone 3 of them, ever had a game in the AFL senior team, that is better than an average Chris Newman game?

I whole-heartedly agree that Newman is a fringe player right now. But he's a player with a ton of experience, and his form still justifies him being in the 22 man squad, in my opinion.

Whilst for future development of players, he probably shouldn't get a game over a younger kid with a slightly lower current output, in a finals series we need all the old heads we can get, and Newman is still a quality football player, albeit well past his absolute prime of course.

He will perform better in a final than probably a vast majority of those 14 players listed. His position in our team all year has been a 20th-22nd best player, and that's where it's at now.

look I am not going to write a thesis like you, atm Newman is surplus to our needs next week, we cannot afford to carry him, change him with 5 options ffs and look at form

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

Thomas MAYBE A SMOKEY...

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

maybe even roll the dice with Beany!!!