NFL NFL Gamepass

[aussiedude]

 

[rumply]

Ideally you'd end up with options like all your teams season games + whatever eg MNF or a handful of Sunday games. The ability to pick & choose a package would be great if the pricing was truly reflective of the value being received, kind of the opposite of what we get now with CUNZ.

 

[Brasher]

Ideally you'd end up with options like all your teams season games + whatever eg MNF or a handful of Sunday games. The ability to pick & choose a package would be great if the pricing was truly reflective of the value being received, kind of the opposite of what we get now with CUNZ.

Yep this model should apply across all content, movies, TV shows and sport. Sub models can be either pay as you view or packaged subs or a combo.

In this model mobs like CUNZ would have to step up their value proposition...today they don't provide much other than paying to monopolize a service. They don't own the content, the infrastructure to deliver or the device you watch it on. This model is a relic of when you had to buy a purpose built sub box, like Foxtel.

If there is any doubt about CUNZ's and the likes diminishing value proposition consider how easy it is to access an illegal stream of the very same content.

 

[aussiedude]

They sort of have this tech now they have introduced the subscriber having to designate their home location so as to avoid one subscription being used in multiple homes. So we will see how they further tighten it.

But the real answer to the problem is live content streamers should adopt the operating model of the energy and Telcom industries...that is divorce content creation from distribution. Sort of like how you have one electricity power gen plant that serves the public via a bunch of competing retailers.

The viewer would win because they can shop content and package subscriptions to drive better deals.

Retailers win because they are not replicating infrastructure that doesn't add value and the content creator wins because they can distribute their content seamlessly.

Personally, I'd love nothing better that having a single subscription to one provider that I can then pick and choose my preferred content.

Another problem is netflix don't produce any of the live stuff. Wwe is produce by themselves, the NFL games were done by CBS. So if they got NFL rights they would need to build a OB studio, TV studio and buy 7-8 high quality TV trucks.

We used to have a single sub for everything it was foxtel or in the US cable. And now it costs more to pay for all the subscriptions then it used to if you want all the same content. But now every studio wants to have their own streamer.

 

[GreyCrow]

We used to have a single sub for everything it was foxtel or in the US cable. And now it costs more to pay for all the subscriptions then it used to if you want all the same content. But now every studio wants to have their own streamer.

Yep - be careful what you wish for

$120 foxtel

Or

$25 kayo - which is fox
$20 netflix
$20 stan
$20 disney
$20 prime

etc etc

 

[aussiedude]

Yep - be careful what you wish for

$120 foxtel

Or

$25 kayo - which is fox
$20 netflix
$20 stan
$20 disney
$20 prime

etc etc

paramount, Apple TV, stan sports add on, Max later in the year, binge for non sports fox stuff.

You have to feel that sports like A-Leagur or Super Rugby lost some casual fans who watched because they had Foxtel for AFL or NRL and were not big enough fans to buy Stan and Stan sport for rugby or Paramount for soccer.

 

[rumply]

Yep - be careful what you wish for

$120 foxtel

Or

$25 kayo - which is fox
$20 netflix
$20 stan
$20 disney
$20 prime

etc etc

YT Prem
Xbox GP
Office 365

I'm sure I'm forgetting something else I'm paying for

 

[aussiedude]

YT Prem
Xbox GP
Office 365

I'm sure I'm forgetting something else I'm paying for

Spotify/Apple music, PS+, I'm sure someone pays the newspaper subs. Or patreon for podcasts.

 

[rumply]

Spotify/Apple music, PS+, I'm sure someone pays the newspaper subs. Or patreon for podcasts.

Spotify, that was it. Although I'd happily pay double for that.

 

[aussiedude]

I did the audit recently, it's pretty grim.

Apple Music + iCloud
Kayo 4k
Optus football
Netflix ad-free
Prime (for delivery, I never watch it except for the occasional cricket or sporting doco)
Triller-AEW Plus, I'll also buy most of their PPVs
Patreon (only 1 podcast)

I have NFL Gamepass for about 3-4 months of the year.

There's a couple of other wrestling streams that I turn on and off throughout the year (although both of them would be 3-4 months of the year tops)

Mine is
Max ultimate
Youtube TV Aug-Feb [plus Redzone Sep-Jan]
Prime [free shipping. Saved over $400 last year with free shipping or Prime exclusive deals]
Spotify
PS+
Foxtel split 3 ways with family we each have a box at out homes
ExpressVPN

But get Netflix and Disney free by sharing prime and Max with my sister

We also use Hello fresh.

 

[Brasher]

And...the specific direct to market subs like the international AFL streaming service, F1, MLB etc. I'm subbing for...

Foxtel (dead next billing cycle)
Prime
Netflix (2 subs)
Disney +
Apple TV
Amazon Kindle
NordVPN
Audible
PS

Of all the subs I have, which I'm currently rationalizing I have them for less than 5% of each of their respective contents.

I'd rather have a base sub of my choice and then plug in services I'd pay for as add-ons or payg.

We, as sports fans, basically subsidize your neighbour's watching reruns of Law and Order on demand.

 

[aussiedude]

And...the specific direct to market subs like the international AFL streaming service, F1, MLB etc. I'm subbing for...

Foxtel (dead next billing cycle)
Prime
Netflix (2 subs)
Disney +
Apple TV
Amazon Kindle
NordVPN
Audible
PS

Of all the subs I have, which I'm currently rationalizing I have them for less than 5% of each of their respective contents.

I'd rather have a base sub of my choice and then plug in services I'd pay for as add-ons or payg.

We, as sports fans, basically subsidize your neighbour's watching reruns of Law and Order on demand.

Why do you have 2 Netflix subs?

 

[Brasher]

Not really... sport is a loss leader for most networks, it never pays for itself.

In isolation yes but it's seen as the cornerstone of the overall ratings packages for the network. It's why the AFL runs Saturday games late to run straight into the 7 Evening News.

 

[Brasher]

Why do you have 2 Netflix subs?

The designation of your single home...I have a Melbourne and Indonesia home.

 

[aussiedude]

In isolation yes but it's seen as the cornerstone of the overall ratings packages for the network. It's why the AFL runs Saturday games late to run straight into the 7 Evening News.

It's a bit of a paradox. They lose money on sport or need to put more ads or promos in. But without sport nobody would watch. No sport is why ABC beats ch10 almost every day. And sports don't want to go to ch10 because nobody is watching the network.

 

[aussiedude]

The designation of your single home...I have a Melbourne and Indonesia home.

You can pay the extra household or just check in once every so often. The check in used to be once a month but I had gone over 2 months with out being kicked off or asked to check in before.

I just take my chromecast to my Sisters every month or so and put netflix and Disney on for 30min each to have the ip check in.

But I hate the idea of the check in or extra home payments. Greedy as f**k

 

[Brasher]

You can pay the extra household or just check in once every so often. The check in used to be once a month but I had gone over 2 months with out being kicked off or asked to check in before.

I just take my chromecast to my Sisters every month or so and put netflix and Disney on for 30min each to have the ip check in.

But I hate the idea of the check in or extra home payments. Greedy as f**k

Yeah I juggled that for a while but got caught out when the same sub was detected running concurrently in 2 households.

The sneaky ****s are also pretty good at detecting travelling and using mobile devices so the chromecast option works a treat.

Interesting fact...the base Netflix sub doesn't support chromecast...well according to their customer service department anyway.

 

[Brasher]

Correct.

But it's not correct to say that we're subsidising grandma watching Law & Order, when for decades the opposite was true, when Foxtel were forcing the basic package on us. It's why we naively thought that we'd prefer to subscribe to sports independently

You are bringing back bad memories now. Buy the basic package so you can have the add on. Like buying a new car because you just wanted new wheels.

 

[aussiedude]

Yeah I juggled that for a while but got caught out when the same sub was detected running concurrently in 2 households.

The sneaky ****s are also pretty good at detecting travelling and using mobile devices so the chromecast option works a treat.

Interesting fact...the base Netflix sub doesn't support chromecast...well according to their customer service department anyway.

I'm using a chromecast puck thing like this

Google TV Streamer 4K

Discover the Google TV Streamer 4K and enjoy seamless access to apps, movies, and shows, all in one place. Experience stunning 4K streaming at JB Hi-Fi.

www.jbhifi.com.au

But gen 2 which has been discontinue. Just so I don't need to log into a bunch of places. Just take it with me when I'm away.

 

[Brasher]

I'm using a chromecast puck thing like this

Google TV Streamer 4K

Discover the Google TV Streamer 4K and enjoy seamless access to apps, movies, and shows, all in one place. Experience stunning 4K streaming at JB Hi-Fi.

www.jbhifi.com.au

But gen 2 which has been discontinue. Just so I don't need to log into a bunch of places. Just take it with me when I'm away.

Chromecasts are slowly being replaced by TVs which carry the capability. From memory the cheapest cc available now is like $150.

Only cheap plug in option is the Amazon dongle which have most of the apps already...but as a Google competitor, no Chromecast.

 

[aussiedude]

Chromecasts are slowly being replaced by TVs which carry the capability. From memory the cheapest cc available now is like $150.

Only cheap plug in option is the Amazon dongle which have most of the apps already...but as a Google competitor, no Chromecast.

Chromecast or Apple TV or shield are better the TV's because they don't need to run as much in the background and generally have more memory to use so don't get bottlenecks like the buffering at 4k or dropped frames causing choppy picture that people get with things like Kayo or whatever.

I got my chromecast because the native tv app for YouTube wouldn't run at 4k without dropping like 10% of frames and buffering all the time. Then never an issue when using the chromecast

The new ones I've seen like $120 but yeah the new ones are only a few months old. Gen2 you could get for $70 every few months.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

But the real answer to the problem is live content streamers should adopt the operating model of the energy and Telcom industries...that is divorce content creation from distribution. Sort of like how you have one electricity power gen plant that serves the public via a bunch of competing retailers.

Yeah, that hasn't really worked out great for the consumer

 

[Demonic Ascent]

You can pay the extra household or just check in once every so often. The check in used to be once a month but I had gone over 2 months with out being kicked off or asked to check in before.

I just take my chromecast to my Sisters every month or so and put netflix and Disney on for 30min each to have the ip check in.

But I hate the idea of the check in or extra home payments. Greedy as f**k

Use an AppleTV, I'm pretty sure they don't send data to service providers so can watch Netflix on it in one house while someone else watches in another location. It's only the android tv apps I've ever had an issue with and even then it just sends me an SMS to update the household then works straight away no matter how many times I've had to do it.

Most of my subs I split with a family member, half the ones I have are because my sister in law subs to them and she gave us her logins and my wife just sends her some money every few months (Stan, Binge, Apple, Amazon) I also share a Netflix sub and got Disney cheap on a Turkish sub (works out to be about $60 for the year). I also got Optus Sport for my uncle as he is a fanatic and I get it cheaper through Optus so I go halves in that with my cousin but haven't watched it at all this season (because Spurs suck).

Oh I also get NBA for around $35 for the year which I split with my cousin and have given my father in law the login too so he can watch whenever.

Only thing I really pay full price for is DAZN but I get so much use out of it and haven't found a workaround so just had to bite the bullet. Oh also Spotify but a family account for $20 or whatever it is a month isn't bad, could probably get it cheaper but haven't investigated too much.

Last year I had a deal thru Kayo for $10 a month for 12 months but still cancelled after the footy season because there was nothing worth watching with an NFL and NBA sub. I signed for $1 in October to watch the World Series then cancelled again, hoping they offer something for the footy season as don't really want to fork over $40 a month for a few games of footy a week. May have to go pirate streaming.

 

[Brasher]

Yeah, that hasn't really worked out great for the consumer

The issue is they haven't followed this path. It's a segmented, unregulated free for all and has left consumers having to buy services from a sole provider by virtue of bidding for monopolies.

Hence why we have to subscribe to so many services and have unused fat we pay for in each of them.

Imagine having to get a different electricity provider for your house to power your oven, another for lights and another for the hot water system.

It's what we do now with streaming content.

Edit....the cost of power utilities has absolutely nothing to do with retail competition but other agendas in play....but that's for another time and place.

 

[AJ_2000]

In isolation yes but it's seen as the cornerstone of the overall ratings packages for the network. It's why the AFL runs Saturday games late to run straight into the 7 Evening News.

On the rapidly changing nature of the Australian TV landscape, there's no AFL on Saturdays this year on channel 7 in Melbourne. All exclusive to fox footy.

7 traded in Saturday night rights for Thursday night and people without the paid option are gonna be pretty unhappy once they realize

 

[rumply]

Not to promote pirating but Stremio is kind of ridiculous once you get it setup as you could basically cancel everything except for your sport fix requirements. Only used it a handful of times, worked flawlessly and there hasn't been anything new or old that I searched for that I couldn't stream. How it possibly works so well I have NFI.

I'm happy to pay for a couple of streaming services but did get the shits a while back when I could no longer piggyback off my brother's Netflix once they bought in that region stuff.