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Architect unveils glitzy design for Redskins stadium complex

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Washington Redskins owner Daniel Snyder doesn’t know where the future home of his football team will be but he’s already got an idea of what he wants it to look like.

Danish architecture firm Bjarke Ingels Group, hired recently by Snyder to design a new stadium for the team, unveiled a model of the proposed project recently to “60 Minutes,” which plans to air a story on the company Sunday. The images released by the program show a semi-transparent hyperbolic paraboloid-shaped stadium surrounded by a moat for kayakers.

“When I started studying architecture people would say, you know, ‘Can you tell me why all modern buildings are so boring?’…People had this idea that in the good old days architecture had…ornament and little towers and spires and gargoyles and today, it just becomes very practical,” said Ingels, in a statement released by the show.

“The stadium is designed as much for the tailgating, like the pre-game, as for the game itself,” Ingels said on the show. “Tailgating literally becomes a picnic in a park. It can actually make the stadium a more lively destination throughout the year without ruining the turf for the football game.”

The model’s undulating roofline appears reminiscent of RFK Stadium, the venue where Snyder grew up attending games, but the new version at this point is a long way from getting built. Although elected officials from D.C., Maryland and Virginia have all expressed interest in helping Snyder build a new stadium, negotiations on where a new stadium would be located or how it would be paid for have not advanced beyond the early stages and the Redskins play at FedEx Field in Landover, Md. on a lease that expires in 2027.

Snyder has previously talked about wanting to do something innovative in terms of a new stadium. “We feel we’ve picked the best architecture firm in the world,” team spokesman Tony Wyllie said.

Building a new stadium designed by one of the buzziest names in architecture could give Snyder the opportunity to host the Super Bowl, something he has pined for since becoming owner. It would also give him a facility on par with the one his top rival, Dallas Cowboys’ owner Jerry Jones, completed in 2009. That stadium, designed by HKS Inc., has a retractable roof and one of the largest high-definition video screens in the world.

Although it has not designed an NFL stadium previously, Bjarke Ingels Group has become one of the hottest names in architecture. The firm made headlines last year when it was selected to design Google’s futuristic greenhouse-style headquarters campus in Mountain View, Calif. Locally the firm is working with the Smithsonian on a 20-year master plan for museums on the National Mall and has held a number of exhibitions at the National Building Museum, including a life-size maze it created in the museum’s great hall.

Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe and a state senator have been trying to drum up support in Richmond for legislation to facilitate building a new stadium, but opted against filing a bill this year.

The proposal would have expanded the purview of the Virginia Baseball Stadium Authority, created in 1992 to lure a Major League Baseball team to the commonwealth, for the construction of a new NFL stadium, presumably in Northern Virginia.

D.C. Mayor Muriel E. Bowser has also made entreaties to the team despite the fact that she considers its name to be offensive. Many Native American groups consider the term a racist slur, but Snyder has steadfastly defended it.

BIG, as the firm is known, has come under scrutiny for working on behalf of the Redskins because of the team’s controversial name. Previously it was criticized for agreeing to build a library for Kazakhstan, a project the firm no longer plans.

Ingels said in an email to The Washington Post in January that he was “proud to be part of imagining and designing the framework for the future of American Football.”

“Does the typical NFL stadium have room for improvement?” wrote Ingels. “Yes most certainly. Is it waste of resources to have giant facilities that are only active 10 times a year. Obviously. Therefore we have worked with our team to imagine a facility that can be active both inside and outside all year and all week — not just on a game day. Also we have sought to distill the stadium experience — before, during and after the game — to its essential ingredients — to provide the greatest intimacy for the players and fans, and in doing so to create a more compact and efficient stadium as opposed to the colossal facilities of the past.”
 

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California deserves two teams north and south, not eight hundred teams south.
shhh
we all know your pov
dont have to jam it down our throat.
2 n, 2 s, 2n, 2a, 1 n and 1 s in a, 1 n and 1 s in n etc.
We get it.
 
Man those food prices for the Falcons, wonder if that will be a game changer?
Hot Dogs $2 ($6.75 in Oakland)
12 oz domestic Beer $5 ($10.50 in Oakland)
And they are doing so while building a new stadium that is 35% paid for by public money.
That's the way to do it, everyone has skin in the game. Public put up money, team put up money but then lowered in game revenues, fans now have a new stadium and cheap beer, so they have no excuse not to go.
 
It's going to vary from one team to the next, and particularly the owner. Jerry Jones is not interested in making it easier on fans' budgets. He's interested in lining his own pocket. There are enough corporations headquartered in DFW that he knows he doesn't have to worry about individual families coming to a game. Hence the $60 parking spots ($70 if you want a reasonably short walk) and zero accessibility by public transit.
 
Locations for Super Bowls LIII, LIV and LV being released tomorrow

LI is in Houston, LII in Minnesota


Really dislike dome stadiums, wish the NFL would stop putting Super Bowls there. I can deal with it if the roof is open tho, or in some other cases, i.e. Indianapolis, Arizona, Houston, etc.

Just don't like the feel of indoors, not aesthetically pleasing, looks dark inside...

Can put up with Minny and Atlanta (will most definitely be given one once it's up and running) as they are new...

Hopefully the lights debacle at XLVII puts the NFL off New Orleans for the time being


Potential new San Diego stadium gives another option for the future. + Whatever happens with Oakland.


Ideally the NFL would just rotate through: Miami, Tampa Bay, San Francisco, San Diego (new), Oakland (new), New York, Arizona, Indianapolis, Houston, Jacksonville, potentially Atlanta depending on what it's like with the roof open

That gives plenty of options to last a decade or so before cycling thru again. I'd also really like to see the Rose Bowl given another shot as well, probably my favourite stadium
 
I agree with you LicoriceAllsorts on the Rose Bowl, but I think the days of non-NFL stadiums hosting the big dance are long gone.
It's too political nowadays, rewarding cities that scratch the back of the NFL.
It seems that teams building a new stadium have an unwritten "host a Super Bowl" clause as part of their league funding.
 

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Chargers get over 100k signatures for their stadium ballot initiative in San Diego.

Oakland??

"We remain committed to delivering a stadium deal that works for the Raiders, the tax payers, the City of Oakland and the County of Alameda"

If I had a dollar for every time Schaaf said that bullshit I'd be able to fund a new stadium in Oakland myself by now.
 
Just saw some highlights of the CopaAmerica final. MetLife Stadium looks good with a grass surface.

Looked like carpet. Amazing job. AAMI Park's groundskeepers should be taking notes.
 
An NFL Team Is a Bad Deal for the Las Vegas Strip

Las Vegas has lots of stadiums -- does it really need an NFL stadium too?

Travis Hoium (TMFFlushDraw) Jul 24, 2016 at 1:56PM

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T-Mobile Arena behind New York-New York, which was built, in part, to house an NHL team. Image source: MGM Resorts.

Las Vegas is in hot pursuit of the Oakland Raiders, and as many as nine sites have been discussed as potential landing spots for a stadium. Las Vegas Sands' (NYSE:LVS) Sheldon Adelson has shown interest, and sites owned by MGM Resorts (NYSE:MGM) and Wynn Resorts (NASDAQ:WYNN) have been thrown out as possible options.

The city has long been snubbed by professional sports because of the potential tie between players and gambling. But with over half of The Strip's revenue now coming off the gaming floor, the restriction may be lifting, which could bring more visitors to the city. But is it enough of an impact to care about?

The NFL's potential impact on Las Vegas
One big question we don't know the answer to: Where would the NFL stadium be built? Proposals range from MGM's land on the north end of The Strip to behind Wynn Las Vegas, or off The Strip near the Mack Center.

But we do know what traffic would look like at the stadium. Given the eight home games each NFL team plays each year, it could potentially draw about 520,000 visitors. That falls well behind the potential tickets sold for NBA, NHL, and MLB games.

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This is also in a city where tens of thousands of people see shows every day. The Bellagio's O has been seen by over 10 million people since opening -- attendance which would take 20 years for an NFL stadium -- and that's just one of about a dozen major shows in Las Vegas.


NFL stadiums have few draws outside of football
One of the arguments for a football stadium is often the events outside of football that would draw additional fans. But a city the size of Las Vegas has limited need for a 65,000-seat stadium, especially when there are multiple arena-size venues on the Las Vegas Strip.

San Diego, which has about 1 million more people in its metro area than Las Vegas, only holds about 20 events per year at Qualcomm Stadium, including Chargers games. It's not often a monster-truck rally or Beyonce comes to town in need of a massive venue.

The impact on gaming companies isn't yet known
It may not be a negative for gaming companies to see an NFL stadium come to Las Vegas. A few more customers may pay for hotel rooms or gamble in a casino, but the impact would be minimal given the small number of people at football games. Remember that the 520,000 fans who may go to games are only about 1% of the 42.3 million people who visit Las Vegas each year -- and many fans would likely be local.

Where there could be an impact is in the investment it takes to build a stadium, and in what customers pay to visit Las Vegas. Sheldon Adelson has indicated that he'll use Las Vegas Sands' funds to build the stadium, which I think distracts from the gaming business he has built. He has also proposed that a room tax be used to help fund the stadium, which would lower the ability to raise room rates, as well as take funds that could be used to renovate the convention center. All could be incremental negatives to Las Vegas visitors.

But NFL may not be good for gaming companies
Las Vegas may be talking a lot about building a new football stadium, but for gaming companies I don't see much upside. There's not enough of a visitation draw to matter to the bottom line, and once the game is over, fans at a stadium might not be anywhere near a casino, unlike at most of Las Vegas' arenas.

Worse yet, if the tax burden to build the stadium is placed on visitors, it would be an incremental negative to gaming companies' bottom line. It may sound like a good thing to have the NFL in Las Vegas, but the facts don't make a strong case that it's good for the gaming industry.
 
Man those food prices for the Falcons, wonder if that will be a game changer?
Hot Dogs $2 ($6.75 in Oakland)
12 oz domestic Beer $5 ($10.50 in Oakland)
And they are doing so while building a new stadium that is 35% paid for by public money.
That's the way to do it, everyone has skin in the game. Public put up money, team put up money but then lowered in game revenues, fans now have a new stadium and cheap beer, so they have no excuse not to go.

Lowering food and beer prices for artificial crowds, brilliant strategy. Will the artificial crowd have time to make noise this year? Or will they be too busy filling their gobs with hot dogs and beer?
 
An NFL Team Is a Bad Deal for the Las Vegas Strip

Las Vegas has lots of stadiums -- does it really need an NFL stadium too?

Travis Hoium (TMFFlushDraw) Jul 24, 2016 at 1:56PM

mgm-arena_large.jpg


T-Mobile Arena behind New York-New York, which was built, in part, to house an NHL team. Image source: MGM Resorts.

Las Vegas is in hot pursuit of the Oakland Raiders, and as many as nine sites have been discussed as potential landing spots for a stadium. Las Vegas Sands' (NYSE:LVS) Sheldon Adelson has shown interest, and sites owned by MGM Resorts (NYSE:MGM) and Wynn Resorts (NASDAQ:WYNN) have been thrown out as possible options.

The city has long been snubbed by professional sports because of the potential tie between players and gambling. But with over half of The Strip's revenue now coming off the gaming floor, the restriction may be lifting, which could bring more visitors to the city. But is it enough of an impact to care about?

The NFL's potential impact on Las Vegas
One big question we don't know the answer to: Where would the NFL stadium be built? Proposals range from MGM's land on the north end of The Strip to behind Wynn Las Vegas, or off The Strip near the Mack Center.

But we do know what traffic would look like at the stadium. Given the eight home games each NFL team plays each year, it could potentially draw about 520,000 visitors. That falls well behind the potential tickets sold for NBA, NHL, and MLB games.

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This is also in a city where tens of thousands of people see shows every day. The Bellagio's O has been seen by over 10 million people since opening -- attendance which would take 20 years for an NFL stadium -- and that's just one of about a dozen major shows in Las Vegas.


NFL stadiums have few draws outside of football
One of the arguments for a football stadium is often the events outside of football that would draw additional fans. But a city the size of Las Vegas has limited need for a 65,000-seat stadium, especially when there are multiple arena-size venues on the Las Vegas Strip.

San Diego, which has about 1 million more people in its metro area than Las Vegas, only holds about 20 events per year at Qualcomm Stadium, including Chargers games. It's not often a monster-truck rally or Beyonce comes to town in need of a massive venue.

The impact on gaming companies isn't yet known
It may not be a negative for gaming companies to see an NFL stadium come to Las Vegas. A few more customers may pay for hotel rooms or gamble in a casino, but the impact would be minimal given the small number of people at football games. Remember that the 520,000 fans who may go to games are only about 1% of the 42.3 million people who visit Las Vegas each year -- and many fans would likely be local.

Where there could be an impact is in the investment it takes to build a stadium, and in what customers pay to visit Las Vegas. Sheldon Adelson has indicated that he'll use Las Vegas Sands' funds to build the stadium, which I think distracts from the gaming business he has built. He has also proposed that a room tax be used to help fund the stadium, which would lower the ability to raise room rates, as well as take funds that could be used to renovate the convention center. All could be incremental negatives to Las Vegas visitors.

But NFL may not be good for gaming companies
Las Vegas may be talking a lot about building a new football stadium, but for gaming companies I don't see much upside. There's not enough of a visitation draw to matter to the bottom line, and once the game is over, fans at a stadium might not be anywhere near a casino, unlike at most of Las Vegas' arenas.

Worse yet, if the tax burden to build the stadium is placed on visitors, it would be an incremental negative to gaming companies' bottom line. It may sound like a good thing to have the NFL in Las Vegas, but the facts don't make a strong case that it's good for the gaming industry.

This article conveniently overlooks the stadium usage apart from NFL games. It uses Qualcomm stadium in San Diego as a comparative which is absurd given how run down that dump is. A new stadium in Vegas will host UNLV football, Raider football, major concerts, motocross, and have the potential to host NCAA Final Four, college football bowl games, and of course, the Super Bowl. Developers are planning for around 50-60 events per year at the stadium.
 

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