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I think he’ll be a good player but it might be a case where he has to bide his time for a while. Just too much competition for spots back there.
 
hayes said:
I think he’ll be a good player but it might be a case where he has to bide his time for a while. Just too much competition for spots back there.
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He was ok when he played last season ( his second year on the list ).
He played some solid games, and was certainly not an embarrassment. ( 49 gamer, McKenzie , 5 years on the list may have been ).
I'm happy as long as he continues to improve, eventually spots will open up.

Geary is 31, Roberton is 28 , Savage 29, Webster injury prone. Clark to be AA midfielder.
 
Have been keeping close eye on Coff ever since we drafted him as i thought he would be a way better selection than Clark. Have my doubts about this at the moment for one simple reason and imo that is because he lacks urgency. I know some players play and look like they are in 2nd gear and look to just cruise around the ground ala (Dal Santo/Pendles/Bont) but i don't see it with Coff.

At the moment to be he lacks initial acceleration over the first 5-10 metres and seems to go to ground a bit too much for my liking. His overall speed may be good, but playing the role that he does he needs to be quick of mind or quick of feet and so far i cant see either. Plenty of water to go under the bridge, but something needs to change for him in order to become the player that pick 7? requires.
 
DarkSaint said:
Have been keeping close eye on Coff ever since we drafted him as i thought he would be a way better selection than Clark. Have my doubts about this at the moment for one simple reason and imo that is because he lacks urgency. I know some players play and look like they are in 2nd gear and look to just cruise around the ground ala (Dal Santo/Pendles/Bont) but i don't see it with Coff.

At the moment to be he lacks initial acceleration over the first 5-10 metres and seems to go to ground a bit too much for my liking. His overall speed may be good, but playing the role that he does he needs to be quick of mind or quick of feet and so far i cant see either. Plenty of water to go under the bridge, but something needs to change for him in order to become the player that pick 7? requires.
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Just on the urgency thing. Blake was very similar in those traits. Hes killing it at freo. Had 25 possies on a wing to half time in a praccy match. Huge raps coming out of freo for him. This type of laconic player may just need a jolt to change their mindset. Trading is an extreme way to get the best out of someone. Sometimes its the only way.
 

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I really don't agree that Coff has a lack of urgency. He just looks a little rushed atm and not confident in his decision making across the whole game. Which is to be expected of a young player especially in the pre season. If anything I think sometimes he needs to slow down his decision making especially in congestion.
 
cooperrules said:
Just on the urgency thing. Blake was very similar in those traits. Hes killing it at freo. Had 25 possies on a wing to half time in a praccy match. Huge raps coming out of freo for him. This type of laconic player may just need a jolt to change their mindset. Trading is an extreme way to get the best out of someone. Sometimes its the only way.
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Always rated Blake and thought that we ruined him as a player by not giving him a set position and letting him develop instead of throwing him around the field and dropping him after a few average games. Hope he tears it up at Freo.
 
DarkSaint said:
Always rated Blake and thought that we ruined him as a player by not giving him a set position and letting him develop instead of throwing him around the field and dropping him after a few average games. Hope he tears it up at Freo.
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He had 6 years to cement a spot.

6 years

Coff has had two and people are writing him off.

25 on a wing in a intra club match and he is suddenly a worldbeater.
Lot of love.
Would liked to have kept him, but if you guys cant see Hill's value to the Saints, you aren't paying attention.
He may go well for Freo. I will wager Hill goes better for us.
 
Joffaboy said:
He had 6 years to cement a spot.

6 years

Coff has had two and people are writing him off.

25 on a wing in a intra club match and he is suddenly a worldbeater.
Lot of love.
Would liked to have kept him, but if you guys cant see Hill's value to the Saints, you aren't paying attention.
He may go well for Freo. I will wager Hill goes better for us.
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Cement a spot in what position? He was thrown around everywhere and if he played an average game he would get dropped while players such as Newnes/Weller etc were given a ridiculous amounts of chances and actually played in a set position.

No one is writing Coffield off, all I'm saying is that at the moment he is not starting 22 due to his urgency. Could be wrong but time will tell.

Hill is a great get no one is doubting that. I'm also positive we could have gotten him without sending Blake the other way.

Back on Coffield discussion I get that he is young. But so are these players and they have showed a hell of a lot more from the same draft
Clark
Naughton
Rayner
Brayshaw
Stephenson
Fogarty
Richards
Higgins
Liam Ryan
Taylor (GWS) defender
McCartin
Warpol
Miers
You can argue our own Paton has shown as much

Age isn't an excuse for a player. If they are good, they will show it straight away. Maybe not in the first season, but by the second season they should be showing some serious form. Our very own Clark is prime example of this and is ready to take it up another level and be a 25 disposal player this season. Coffield on the other hand will struggle to be best 22 as it stands with a full strength list.
 
NarklesHelmet said:
It’s interesting seeing mixed reactions to his performance the other night.

While no one could argue it was an amazing performance, I thought it was a big improvement on what we saw from him last year. Last year he just looked confused and slow in mind and body. It was as if he was caught in two minds about what to do whenever he got the ball.

From what I saw on Thursday, he looked as if he was trying to play more of his natural game and do things instinctively. Sure, it didn’t always work out for him but often it did and (this is the main thing) it was clear the right intent was there.

His case reminds me a bit of Dunstan. It always struck me how Dunstan‘s best footy for us came when he saw a sports Psych and worked out with her that he should ignore what the coaches said and just play on instinct. I get the feeling with the new regime in place now, we will see certain players blossom who were too weighed down by what they were asked to do under the old one. I see Coffield as a prime candidate to be one of these players.

Thursday was the first step in what all of us hope will be a great development year for Coffield. If he can deliver on what we saw from him pre-draft, we will have a seriously damaging player on our hands.
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Hi last three games before he did his shoulder he was really starting to get it going and were by far his best games for us , he was ok on Thursday and will only be better for the run
 
Acres is "killing it" at Freo... going off half a game of an intra club :think:

As for him being thrown around, well he played the majority of his time on the half forward flank or wing. He's not the only bloke in the AFL that would do that. It's not as though he was going from CHF to full back.

And I hardly think the 2 minutes he had to spend in the ruck every now and then would make a huge difference.
 
bird_man said:
Acres is "killing it" at Freo... going off half a game of an intra club :think:

As for him being thrown around, well he played the majority of his time on the half forward flank or wing. He's not the only bloke in the AFL that would do that. It's not as though he was going from CHF to full back.

And I hardly think the 2 minutes he had to spend in the ruck every now and then would make a huge difference.
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Oh dont be silly Bird , we all know that Blake was ruined because he contested Two or Three centre bounces :rolleyes:
Well some will say that
 
DarkSaint said:
Cement a spot in what position? He was thrown around everywhere and if he played an average game he would get dropped while players such as Newnes/Weller etc were given a ridiculous amounts of chances and actually played in a set position.

No one is writing Coffield off, all I'm saying is that at the moment he is not starting 22 due to his urgency. Could be wrong but time will tell.

Hill is a great get no one is doubting that. I'm also positive we could have gotten him without sending Blake the other way.

Back on Coffield discussion I get that he is young. But so are these players and they have showed a hell of a lot more from the same draft
Clark
Naughton
Rayner
Brayshaw
Stephenson
Fogarty
Richards
Higgins
Liam Ryan
Taylor (GWS) defender
McCartin
Warpol
Miers
You can argue our own Paton has shown as much

Age isn't an excuse for a player. If they are good, they will show it straight away. Maybe not in the first season, but by the second season they should be showing some serious form. Our very own Clark is prime example of this and is ready to take it up another level and be a 25 disposal player this season. Coffield on the other hand will struggle to be best 22 as it stands with a full strength list.
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Except Acres wasnt dropped every time he played an average game, thats a complete myth.

Look at his 2019 - his default setting was average yet he was still selected every week barring injury/illness.

The last time he was dropped was 2017, after an 8 disposal game against Gold Coast - which is completely fair to drop someone from, with Steele replacing him from his own run in the VFL after poor form.
 

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2018 season, Acres was going pretty good. Averaged 24 and a goal across the first month and half before he was injured i believe, he returned late part of the season and went ok.

but he was played purely mid whilst resting forward. I think he had sints in the ruck too.
 
I hope Coffield lives up to the potential his high draft position suggests.

Equally I hope we do not give him 6 years of below average performance to "make it". We waited way too long to pull the trigger on Acres - at 3 years on the list, inside top 20 draft pick he still had "potential". After 6 years he was a known entity and valued at steak knives.

Coffield needs to target this year as make or break.
 
Sab22 said:
2018 season, Acres was going pretty good. Averaged 24 and a goal across the first month and half before he was injured i believe, he returned late part of the season and went ok.

but he was played purely mid whilst resting forward. I think he had sints in the ruck too.
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Pretty sure Acres was never played purely as a mid
 
Sab22 said:
2018 season, Acres was going pretty good. Averaged 24 and a goal across the first month and half before he was injured i believe, he returned late part of the season and went ok.

but he was played purely mid whilst resting forward. I think he had sints in the ruck too.
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He was played on the wing and half forward. Not as pure midfielder.
 

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Ricmel said:
I hope Coffield lives up to the potential his high draft position suggests.

Equally I hope we do not give him 6 years of below average performance to "make it". We waited way too long to pull the trigger on Acres - at 3 years on the list, inside top 20 draft pick he still had "potential". After 6 years he was a known entity and valued at steak knives.

Coffield needs to target this year as make or break.
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What rubbish. He's a 3rd year player who was performing very well when he was injured. Make or break is for guys in danger of being delisted.

Acres? Was ill or injured for a significant part of his first 3 seasons. Just started to really get going when he did his groin. Would have been kept if we didn't add Hill and Jones.

When do you think he should have been traded?

It does my head in how often our young players are canned by supporters before they've had a chance to start their career. Especially those who need a few injury free preseasons to get their bodies battle hardened.

Just to confirm... Coff has played 18 games.

18.
 
DarkSaint said:
Cement a spot in what position? He was thrown around everywhere and if he played an average game he would get dropped while players such as Newnes/Weller etc were given a ridiculous amounts of chances and actually played in a set position.

No one is writing Coffield off, all I'm saying is that at the moment he is not starting 22 due to his urgency. Could be wrong but time will tell.

Hill is a great get no one is doubting that. I'm also positive we could have gotten him without sending Blake the other way.

Back on Coffield discussion I get that he is young. But so are these players and they have showed a hell of a lot more from the same draft
Clark
Naughton
Rayner
Brayshaw
Stephenson
Fogarty
Richards
Higgins
Liam Ryan
Taylor (GWS) defender
McCartin
Warpol
Miers
You can argue our own Paton has shown as much

Age isn't an excuse for a player. If they are good, they will show it straight away. Maybe not in the first season, but by the second season they should be showing some serious form. Our very own Clark is prime example of this and is ready to take it up another level and be a 25 disposal player this season. Coffield on the other hand will struggle to be best 22 as it stands with a full strength list.
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Wrong, have a look at the early stats from Seb Ross, or even Leigh Montagna.

2015:
Luke Dunstan. 17 disposals per game. Zac Jones 11 disposals per game. Josh Kelly 18 disposals per game. Jack Billings 20 disposals per game.
2019:
Luke Dunstan 22 disposals per game. Zac Jones 22 disposals per game. Josh Kelly 28 disposals per game. Jack Billings 26 disposals per game.

If you were right all you need to do is grab a 17 year old and invite them to train., and draft the guy who can get the ball against Gresham or Dunstan.
Think of yourself as a 17 or 19 year old, were your abilities totally defined?
 
Winmar2Lockett said:
What rubbish. He's a 3rd year player who was performing very well when he was injured. Make or break is for guys in danger of being delisted.

Acres? Was ill or injured for a significant part of his first 3 seasons. Just started to really get going when he did his groin. Would have been kept if we didn't add Hill and Jones.

When do you think he should have been traded?

It does my head in how often our young players are canned by supporters before they've had a chance to start their career. Especially those who need a few injury free preseasons to get their bodies battle hardened.

Just to confirm... Coff has played 18 games.

18.
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I can't get my head around people who think that getting rid of players makes the list stronger.

1: We have to get rid of players to draft more.
2: We can trade players to get better players to balance the list.

We have others who will be gone to make room before Coffield. ( though its not may, hard decisions at year end ).
We wouldn't get enough of a trade for him to make it worth the while.
 
Winmar2Lockett said:
Acres? Was ill or injured for a significant part of his first 3 seasons. Just started to really get going when he did his groin. Would have been kept if we didn't add Hill and Jones.
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Yeah that's why we gave him away for air. Cos that is what you do with a good player.
 
SaintsSeptember said:
Wrong, have a look at the early stats from Seb Ross, or even Leigh Montagna.

2015:
Luke Dunstan. 17 disposals per game. Zac Jones 11 disposals per game. Josh Kelly 18 disposals per game. Jack Billings 20 disposals per game.
2019:
Luke Dunstan 22 disposals per game. Zac Jones 22 disposals per game. Josh Kelly 28 disposals per game. Jack Billings 26 disposals per game.

If you were right all you need to do is grab a 17 year old and invite them to train., and draft the guy who can get the ball against Gresham or Dunstan.
Think of yourself as a 17 or 19 year old, were your abilities totally defined?
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Wrong.

You are comparing players that at ALL play a harder position on the ground compared to a half back flank. If he can't find the ball 20+ times in that role then you never will.

Just because some players took longer to make it doesn't mean every single one will. All those players that you have mentioned showed more in year 1 and year 2 than Coffield has. That's a fact.

You can compare all you want players after 3 season etc but the fact remains is that he is struggling for a top 10 pick at the moment. What's also a fact is that he will struggle to break into our current line up. So far Clark is miles ahead than Coffield and they play the same position. Age is just an excuse that we use when a top pick isn't performing to required standards.
 

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