Mega Thread Nick Daicos - Can he be the GTWEB? Part 2

[nineteen eighty]

Doesn't kick enough goals. He is certainly capable of it but this is what it takes to become the complete player, you have to go to another level where the best went. Bontempelli does it, Dangerfield does it, and so too did many champions before them.

It's similar to Neale, Cripps etc. They can't hit the scoreboard on a regular basis.

Daicos has illustrated an ability to get there. He booted 17 goals this year while getting tagged.

Dick Reynolds ~450 goals.

Gary Ablett jnr same.

Kevin Bartlett -800 goals.

Leigh Mathews over 900 goals.

All of them played onball roles in addition to forwards.

There’s GOAT and then there’s BF Collingwood supporters GOAT.

 

[WillHayward]

So Fyfe's first three season were better than Daicos?

 

[Fadge]

Your coach in his presser said he didn’t think it would have mattered.
That Brisbane would have won.

Of course he's going to say that.

But I'd rather be 6 points down with 9 minutes to go and all the momentum, than 18 points down with 8 minutes to go.

 

[Cdog71]

But again not really relevant to a Naicos topic,

I was responding to another post.

I think your main offensive strategy is to support Daicos.
You’ve listed his centre square clearance numbers last year and I think part of the reason you didn’t play Mitchell is he’s probably competing with Daicos and it’s a lot more likely a first possesion from Daicos results in a positive outcome than if Mitchell hot first hands to it even though Mitchell may get it more than him.
I’m guessing but I think Long was in to be a def mid on Mcluggage.
If you look at the lions score from stoppage compared to yours it was 66-33.
You didn’t have an inside mid.

The midfield system couldn’t be adjusted after you lost Pendlebury because it kept pulling others outve preferred positions.

I don’t know if you would have won if Pendlebury played but it certainly didn’t look like you guys were playing the way you wanted to.

Daicos ran his heart out, you showed the ratings.
But because the system wasn’t there around him he wasn’t as impactful as he has been.
And the 0 coaches votes reflect that.

I think it’s on McRae and the coaches that you had no flexibility to handle that.

 

[Fadge]

So Fyfe's first three season were better than Daicos?

Are you telling the story?

 

[WillHayward]

Are you telling the story?

Well I just read a stat saying Fyfe had 100 Brownlow votes after 3 seasons.

And not sure you are the most objective broker in this conversation fadgey old son.

 

[sr36]

A bit of selective memory.

Nick started that game brilliantly and the Pies established a big 1st quarter lead.

Bont then went to him after quarter time and changed the game like one of the greats is expected to do.

When you are talking of Nick Daicos playing as a midfield bull you just aren't watching or have a vastly different view of what constitutes a midfield bull.

I wouldn't even class Bont a midfield bull although he is much more of that than Nick will ever be.

Rowell is the midfield bull in and under and getting it out. Libba is that at the Bulldogs and Newcombe can be that at the Hawks.

A clearance is simply first disposal from a stoppage and Nick does get plenty of clearances. It does not require him to be in and under and it would detract from his ability on the outside if he was playing that role.

Of course Nick isn't a bull and never will be. Same with Lachie Neale, Butters and Caleb Serong. They often play the same role as Cripps and Rowell though. They just play it differently. They're attacking mids who hunt the first possession at stoppage and try to clear it to their team's advantage.

In and under is no longer relevant. They keep their feet. There's no bottom of the pack. When they do go to ground in a tackle, the ball usually gets locked in for a repeat stoppage. Rowell is the best at the moment. He's ferocious and his first few steps are crazily powerful so he doesn't have to flash through stoppage as much as Nick and Butters do and stays in the contest more. He can break more tackles and be awesome defensively as well as offensively.

But interestingly considering the talk about people preferring the inside bull, rather than the inside outside Nick Daicos, the re-rating of Rowell isn't about stoppage it's because he's developing an outside game to go with the stoppage awesomeness.

 

[HeathySure]

Your coach in his presser said he didn’t think it would have mattered.
That Brisbane would have woO

Our coach is all class and doesn't make rash statements like most of the trolls on here based on hate watching a player

 

[sr36]

Well I just read a stat saying Fyfe had 100 Brownlow votes after 3 seasons.

I think you might have read and incorrect stat.

 

[doppleganger]

Well I just read a stat saying Fyfe had 100 Brownlow votes after 3 seasons.

And not sure you are the most objective broker in this conversation fadgey old son.

After 3 seasons (50 games) Fyfe had 32 Brownlow votes
After 4 seasons (72 games) he had 50 Brownlow votes
After 5 seasons (92 games) he had 75 Brownlow votes

Naicos after 4 seasons (95 games) he has 109 Brownlow votes.

Fyfe a great start, but a fair way behind Nick.

 

[Fadge]

Well I just read a stat saying Fyfe had 100 Brownlow votes after 3 seasons.

And not sure you are the most objective broker in this conversation fadgey old son.

Are you imagining things again?

You really believe Fyfe had 100 Brownlow votes after his first 3 seasons?

I mean, if I 'hear' a stat that doesn't sound quite right, I fact check it before going with it.

But that one doesn't even need to be fact checked to know its not factual.

Oh boy.

 

[Fadge]

After 3 seasons (50 games) Fyfe had 32 Brownlow votes
After 4 seasons (72 games) he had 50 Brownlow votes
After 5 seasons (92 games) he had 75 Brownlow votes

Naicos after 4 seasons (95 games) he has 109 Brownlow votes.

Fyfe a great start, but a fair way behind Nick.

LOL.

32...

100....

In the same ballpark.

Oh boy.

 

[Fadge]

After 3 seasons (50 games) Fyfe had 32 Brownlow votes
After 4 seasons (72 games) he had 50 Brownlow votes
After 5 seasons (92 games) he had 75 Brownlow votes

Naicos after 4 seasons (95 games) he has 109 Brownlow votes.

Fyfe a great start, but a fair way behind Nick.

Daicos 88 home and away games.

Fyfe 83 home and away games.

Fyfe may very well be #2 behind Daicos for votes per game for first 100 games, but the gap is Bradmanesque.

 

[sr36]

Are you imagining things again?

You really believe Fyfe had 100 Brownlow votes after his first 3 seasons?

I mean, if I 'hear' a stat that doesn't sound quite right, I fact check it before going with it.

But that one doesn't even need to be fact checked to know its not factual.

Oh boy.

I read that Nick's average votes over the last 3 years is 32.7. 32 votes is enough to have won all but 6 of the Brownlows in history. Fyfe - a dual Brownlow medalist might have gotten close to 100 votes in his best 3 years, but unlikely to be that close.

There's probably never been anyone get more than Nick's 98 over the last 3 years - even choosing the players best years. Maybe Cripps.

Edit: Just checked it Cripps best 3 Brownlow years so far is exactly 100 votes.

 

[Fadge]

I read that Nick's average votes over the last 3 years is 32.7. 32 votes is enough to have won all but 6 of the Brownlows in history. Fyfe - a dual Brownlow medalist might have gotten close to 100 votes in his best 3 years, but unlikely to be that close.

No chance.

Fyfe's best 3 years - 25, 31 and 33 - still inferior to Daicos' years 2, 3 and 4 in the system.

Bradmanesque.

 

[sr36]

No chance.

Fyfe's best 3 years - 25, 31 and 33 - still inferior to Daicos' years 2, 3 and 4 in the system.

Bradmanesque.

Just checked it. Cripps with 100 in his best 3 years would be the benchmark. Nick needs another 30 vote year to join him in the 100 in 3 years club.

 

[doppleganger]

Daicos 88 home and away games.

Fyfe 83 home and away games.

Fyfe may very well be #2 behind Daicos for votes per game for first 100 games, but the gap is Bradmanesque.

Good point re removing finals games, I didn't bother to do that, updated below.

Fyfe did hit the ground running better than everyone else in the modern era, apart from Naicos of course

Naicos 88 games = 109 votes
Fyfe 83 games = 75 votes
Bont 80 games = 56 votes
Selwood 82 games = 58 votes
Judd 86 games = 57 votes
M.Rowell 85 games = 50 votes
Cripps 81 games = 49 votes
Dusty 85 games = 39 votes
NasW-Milera 85 games = 35 votes
Danger 84 games = 32 votes
GAJ 95 games = 11 votes

 

[Fadge]

Good point re removing finals games, I didn't bother to do that, updated below.

Fyfe did hit the ground running better than everyone else in the modern era, apart from Naicos of course

Naicos 88 games = 109 votes
Fyfe 83 games = 75 votes
Bont 80 games = 56 votes
Selwood 82 games = 58 votes
Judd 86 games = 57 votes
M.Rowell 85 games = 50 votes
Cripps 81 games = 49 votes
Dusty 85 games = 39 votes
NasW-Milera 85 games = 35 votes
Danger 84 games = 32 votes
GAJ 95 games = 11 votes

That's pretty much a full list of the players we've been told are superior to Daicos, with the exception of Callaghan and S. Darcy!

Oops, how did I forget Sheezel?

 

[Fadge]

To think that Fyfe's start to his career was actually Bradmanesque.... before Daicos came along!

 

[Cdog71]

To think that Fyfe's start to his career was actually Bradmanesque.... before Daicos came along!

It’s a little disrespectful using the term Bradmanesque.

 

[Fadge]

Good point re removing finals games, I didn't bother to do that, updated below.

Fyfe did hit the ground running better than everyone else in the modern era, apart from Naicos of course

Naicos 88 games = 109 votes
Fyfe 83 games = 75 votes
Bont 80 games = 56 votes
Selwood 82 games = 58 votes
Judd 86 games = 57 votes
M.Rowell 85 games = 50 votes
Cripps 81 games = 49 votes
Dusty 85 games = 39 votes
NasW-Milera 85 games = 35 votes
Danger 84 games = 32 votes
GAJ 95 games = 11 votes

The other thing with this list is that we saw some of these players have some incomplete seasons early on, meaning they were much older than Daicos by the time they hit the 85 to 90 game figure.

Fyfe, Rowell, Cripps...

 

[Fadge]

It’s a little disrespectful using the term Bradmanesque.

What term would you use to explain the gap?

 

[doppleganger]

That's pretty much a full list of the players we've been told are superior to Daicos, with the exception of Callaghan and S. Darcy!

Oops, how did I forget Sheezel?

Sheezle and Callaghan, don't be silly

How he compares to a few HoF legends

Naicos 88 games = 109 votes
Haydn Bunton 83 games = 104 votes
Dick Reynolds 79 games = 86 votes
Bob Skilton 79 games = 64 votes

 

[TY24]

Lots of talk about how many votes Nick has got

Only one stat matters. How many medals has he got?

 

[SuperSub17]

Lots of talk about how many votes Nick has got

Only one stat matters. How many medals has he got?

Going by this logic, Woewodin > Matthews