Mega Thread Nick Daicos - Can he be the GTWEB? Part 2

[Mr Meow]

If your bar is higher than mine to consider a performance as 'matchwinning', it just means the bar is higher across the board.

So instead of Daicos having 23% of his games as matchwinning performances, you'd consider only 18% (or something like that).

But that would just mean instead of #2 being at 18%, they'd be at 14% based on your criteria.

It's so bad to just make stuff up.

Can you even name a top 5?

I'll play along though.

What were the match winning performances of Carey, Lockett, Williams, Ablett Senior, Ablett Junior, Franklin, Dangerfield, Martin, Matthews, Pavlich, Voss, Hird, Buckley, Mitchell, Neale, Bontempelli, Cousins, Judd, Selwood, Pendlebury and Fyfe?

Then what about Daicos? Those are my 20 or so nominees off the top of my head.

 

[Fadge]

It's so bad to just make stuff up.

Can you even name a top 5?

I'll play along though.

What were the match winning performances of Carey, Lockett, Williams, Ablett Senior, Ablett Junior, Franklin, Dangerfield, Martin, Matthews, Pavlich, Voss, Hird, Buckley, Mitchell, Neale, Bontempelli, Cousins, Judd, Selwood, Pendlebury and Fyfe?

Then what about Daicos? Those are my 20 or so nominees off the top of my head.

I have always stated 'amongst current players'.

But not like you to move the goalposts....

 

[Mr Meow]

I have always stated 'amongst current players'.

But not like you to move the goalposts....

Well there's a few current day players for you to start with: Dangerfield, Pendlebury, Bontempelli, Neale and recently retired Fyfe (you made this claim way earlier in the year). Butters, Serong, Gawn, Petracca, Cameron, Merrett, Greene, Warner and Heeney are my other nominees.

 

[Fadge]

Well there's a few current day players for you to start with: Dangerfield, Pendlebury, Bontempelli, Neale and recently retired Fyfe (you made this claim way earlier in the year). Butters, Serong, Gawn, Petracca, Cameron, Merrett, Greene, Warner and Heeney are my other nominees.

Now you're having a laugh.

Nominate just one, and I'll debunk it in due course.

 

[Mr Meow]

Now you're having a laugh.

Nominate just one, and I'll debunk it in due course.

I've named my nominations. How would avoiding all but one of them prove anything? It's not like I threw Jacob Hopper in there.

I expect you'll avoid it and then we can finally wrap this up as another case of you spinning a deluded fantasy without merit.

 

[doppleganger]

Perhaps but it doesn’t change the outcome.

What was the outcome?
A debut season player being named in his sides best in 2 of his 3 finals, a terrific performance.

In his second season, returning from a knee to be voted 4th and 3rd best player on the ground, and being involved in two huge plays in the last 5 minutes to deliver a flag, a terrific performance.

2025, QF 3rd best on ground in QF and then in Pies best in the PF.

Daicos has already proved he performs in finals

Why dont you give the name calling a spell

As certain posters continue to present disengenuos and incorrect stats will continue to call them out, especially as it is consistent and repeated behavior.

Detail and nuance is important.

 

[Fadge]

I've named my nominations. How would avoiding all but one of them prove anything? It's not like I threw Jacob Hopper in there.

I expect you'll avoid it and then we can finally wrap this up as another case of you spinning a deluded fantasy without merit.

I'm not going through all 14.

Based on their team's winning records and the quality of player, I'll consider Dangerfield the player amongst that list with the greatest number of matchwinning performances.

Unless you want to nominate an alternative?

Will be a nice exercise for the off season.

 

[Mr Meow]

I'm not going through all 14.

Based on their team's winning records and the quality of player, I'll consider Dangerfield the player amongst that list with the greatest number of matchwinning performances.

Unless you want to nominate an alternative?

Will be a nice exercise for the off season.

You have proven my point then. Making stuff up without merit. Once you get through the 14 I am more than happy to take a look.

 

[Fadge]

You have proven my point then. Making stuff up without merit. Once you get through the 14 I am more than happy to take a look.

You'll be waiting a while (I.e. forever).

And I haven't proven any point of yours.

The statement has been made. If you have an issue with it, disprove it.

But instead you've thrown out a few names, many of whom are clearly nowhere near Daicos in terms of percentage of matchwinning games. Just showing how out of your depth you are.

 

[Mr Meow]

You'll be waiting a while (I.e. forever).

And I haven't proven any point of yours.

The statement has been made. If you have an issue with it, disprove it.

But instead you've thrown out a few names, many of whom are clearly nowhere near Daicos in terms of percentage of matchwinning games. Just showing how out of your depth you are.

Ah well, seems you gave up before you started. Better luck next time.

"Nowhere near"? I assume you have numbers to back that up. Again: you don't.

In future you'd be wise to make statements you can back up. Otherwise you end up looking like a massive tit.

 

[Bulldog Joe]

Who are the top 20, in what order?

If you can't answer then you are caught making things up again. Much like you're about to rig Daicos finishing 1st instead of 4th in the Fadgelow. Fantasy land.

The late match fatigue has occurred more in 2024 and 2025. Perhaps not enough help for him. But he's often faded in these close matches late on. Something for him to work on or for the coaches to help him with.

Fadge has some mythical belief that Naicos is ALWAYS the matchwinner if Collingwood win.

He doesn't need to justify because it is his belief.

Any contrary evidence will be dismissed because belief does not require evidence.

 

[_Mike_]

How the Brownlow is calcuated has changed a huge amount in that time. It was only 20 years ago that you could win the Brownlow with 20 votes

Pretty much the case, Cousins won with 20 votes, Voss/Hird 21 votes, Liberatore with 18 votes. KPP's would also regularly poll mid table.

Also the move from 2 to 3, now 4 umpires IMO further dilutes the process as they all have to agree on the same outcome. Easier to do when it was 2 / 3 umps. Maybe it's time to change it to have each umpire submit their votes independently of each other. The process as of now, which has always been, is that the umpires confer and decide as a group.

 

[Cdog71]

What was the outcome?

Votes received of course.

The game doesn’t care how long you’ve been playing of if your unwell or whatever.

Strange that you think it should.

 

[sr36]

Perhaps but it doesn’t change the outcome.
Why dont you give the name calling a spell

I've seen Plugger kick 11 whilst having 2 opponents on him for the majority of the second half and his team lost.

The talk of match winners deciding the outcome is rubbish. Teams win games - individual players have big moments that can help, but no one player is ever a match winner or responsible for the outcome - either a win or a loss.

 

[Cdog71]

I've seen Plugger kick 11 whilst having 2 opponents on him for the majority of the second half and his team lost.

The talk of match winners deciding the outcome is rubbish. Teams win games - individual players have big moments that can help, but no one player is ever a match winner or responsible for the outcome - either a win or a loss.

My post was about votes that were given/ received

 

[HeathySure]

You rely on stats when the truth of that game is that Bont took control and Daicos was not able to cope, resulting in Collingwood losing a game despite a 6 goal 1st quarter lead.

lol I watch games closely. That was his best game in his career which includes twice getting 40 with 3 goals. HE carried our team last year for half the season. Without him we win 6 games. Saying having 16 clearances and 27 contested possessions in a game is not coping?????? highly laughable. What do you want him to do? Kick 12 have 18 tackles and do a couple of somersaults while taking a mark?

 

[doppleganger]

Votes received of course.

The game doesn’t care how long you’ve been playing of if your unwell or whatever.

No shit.

The game doesn't care, but their is a clear development glide path and expectations are different for kids with physically mature senior players.

Who expects an injured player to receive votes?

But yes, let's use total votes and rank an injured player who was unavailable for week 1 and 2 of finals with fit players who played every week.

Just the usual disengenuos posting.

 

[Bulldog Joe]

lol I watch games closely. That was his best game in his career which includes twice getting 40 with 3 goals. HE carried our team last year for half the season. Without him we win 6 games. Saying having 16 clearances and 27 contested possessions in a game is not coping?????? highly laughable. What do you want him to do? Kick 12 have 18 tackles and do a couple of somersaults while taking a mark?

If you watched that game Daicos was dominant early but his influence was reduced after Bont imposed himself on the game.

No amount of stats quoted changes that. He simply was not at the level Bont was capable of.

 

[sr36]

My post was about votes that were given/ received

Apologies. Replied to the wrong post.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

If you watched that game Daicos was dominant early but his influence was reduced after Bont imposed himself on the game.

No amount of stats quoted changes that. He simply was not at the level Bont was capable of.

Bont is a downhill skier , hasn't played in a winning final since Daics debuted, though he did play that one good quarter against us last year which still gets talked about like Wayne Harmes in the 79 GF

Daics passed Bont years ago

 

[Bulldog Joe]

Bont is a downhill skier , hasn't played in a winning final since Daics debuted, though he did play that one good quarter against us last year which still gets talked about like Wayne Harmes in the 79 GF

Daics passed Bont years ago

Delusions from a Collingwood fan. How quaint.

 

[_Mike_]

Bont is a downhill skier

Club Brownlow history: 3-vote game tally​

Crows - Andrew McLeod (31)
Brissy Lions - Lachie Neale (39)
Carlton - Patrick Cripps (40)
Collingwood - Scott Pendlebury (38)
Essendon - Zach Merrett (31)
Freo - Nat Fyfe (42)
Cats - Joel Selwood (36)
GC Suns - Gary Ablett (27)
Giants - Toby Greene (24)
Hawks - Sam Mitchell (44)
Melbourne - Christian Petracca (27)
North Melb - Brent Harvey (41)
Port - Travis Boak (31)
Richmond - Dustin Martin (42)
Saints - Robert Harvey (45)
Swans - Bob Skilton (31)
West Coast - Peter Matera (29)
Western Bulldogs - Marcus Bontempelli (52)


Alleged downhill skier ranks ahead of multiple brownlow winners.

Your club's Brownlow history: Winners, most votes ever and more

Take a look at you club's Brownlow winners and leading votegetters

www.afl.com.au

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Club Brownlow history: 3-vote game tally​

Crows - Andrew McLeod (31)
Brissy Lions - Lachie Neale (39)
Carlton - Patrick Cripps (40)
Collingwood - Scott Pendlebury (38)
Essendon - Zach Merrett (31)
Freo - Nat Fyfe (42)
Cats - Joel Selwood (36)
GC Suns - Gary Ablett (27)
Giants - Toby Greene (24)
Hawks - Sam Mitchell (44)
Melbourne - Christian Petracca (27)
North Melb - Brent Harvey (41)
Port - Travis Boak (31)
Richmond - Dustin Martin (42)
Saints - Robert Harvey (45)
Swans - Bob Skilton (31)
West Coast - Peter Matera (29)
Western Bulldogs - Marcus Bontempelli (52)


Alleged downhill skier ranks ahead of multiple brownlow winners.

Your club's Brownlow history: Winners, most votes ever and more

Take a look at you club's Brownlow winners and leading votegetters

www.afl.com.au

Got a breakdown of those 3s? Tipping they were mostly against bottom sides who didn't play finals that year

He goes missing in big games and his finals' record is rubbish, Daics is better

 

[Mr Meow]

No shit.

The game doesn't care, but their is a clear development glide path and expectations are different for kids with physically mature senior players.

Who expects an injured player to receive votes?

But yes, let's use total votes and rank an injured player who was unavailable for week 1 and 2 of finals with fit players who played every week.

Just the usual disengenuos posting.

Facts are facts. You can break down his averages year by year too.

2022: H&A 1.20 vs Finals 0.00
2023: H&A 4.91 vs Finals 3.50
2025: H&A 4.04 vs Finals 2.50

H&A average: 3.75
QF average: 2.50
SF average: 0.00
PF average: 1.50
GF average: 4.00 (pre-adjustment)

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Facts are facts. You can break down his averages year by year too.

2022: H&A 1.20 vs Finals 0.00
2023: H&A 4.91 vs Finals 3.50
2025: H&A 4.04 vs Finals 2.50

H&A average: 3.75
QF average: 2.50
SF average: 0.00
PF average: 1.50
GF average: 4.00 (pre-adjustment)

So he's at his best in GFs, GOAT qualities