Nick Suban - When?

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Its just bloody frustrating watching him play, he can grab the ball and break 2 or 3 tackles but then he will either fumble it or try and do too much and get caught.

 

[aussieviking]

That was especially bad.

But it's even the little things. When he wins a good ball inside and breaks the pack, if he can't get on his left and can't find an option up the ground he is effectively useless. Even when he does nice things he burns it by not having any other strings to his bow aside from his left foot. He is a fundamentally limited footballer in his raw skillset, and not a very good one otherwise in terms of footy smarts to make up for it.

Or to put it simply: he's crap.

He wasnt the only one tonight

 

[MadMac]

He wasnt the only one tonight

No he wasn't, but he's in his 6th year and supposed to be in his prime. You might say the same thing about Hill, but Hill has a lot more credits in the bank than Subes, plus Hill can be a matchwinner in a single quarter of footy. Subes can't [well, he's yet to reach that level]

 

[pokerspiv]

Sure he wasn't the only one, but he's been shit for 5 games in a row now.

 

[ritz]

Put a fork in him. He is done

 

[The Speaker]

Hill can also kick on his right. Doesn't use it often, but does it when he needs to. Suban can't do a thing on his right. Instead he just handballs or pretends he's playing rugby.

 

[FreoRicci]

A fan of his but tonight is stretching it. But not just Subes out of form- can name many others.

 

[clogged]

He wasnt the only one tonight

No, he isn't. He's not a scapegoat in any sense, but his game tonight was just a continuation of a number of terribly games he has played for years. And long term he is costing a spot of someone who may eventually be a match winner in games like these.

Crozier started like shit but finished the game better than Suban. He's had far less exposure to the top level than Suban but warmed to it and tried to influence the match. Suban was barely sighted in the last quarter and a half.

The Speaker's rugby call is brilliant by the way. I've thought that for a while - he gathers the ball and basically charges at the tackler like a rugby forward. Except Australian football has holding the ball rules, and he can't play the ball to the five eighth.

 

[believe_it]

Also a big negative is he can't kick with his right - a real disadvantage in traffic

 

[believe_it]

Hill can also kick on his right. Doesn't use it often, but does it when he needs to. Suban can't do a thing on his right. Instead he just handballs or pretends he's playing rugby.

Beat me to it - but yeh he was caught out more than once tonite

 

[sabre_ac]

Have we really had significant expecations around him at any stage in his career? He was always going to float in and out of the side depending on injuries , his best will be a solid contribution and his worst a liablity, I dont think its fair to compare who he was drafted with and to some degree who was drafted after, right now who's place that is available is he taking?

 

[pokerspiv]

right now who's place that is available is he taking?

Choose anyone on our list.

 

[Superkoops]

Yep, the dropped mark inside attacking 50 by Suban when we were in front that led to a North goal was the turning point. Should be dropped IMO.

RTB just alluded to this dropped mark / turnover (without mentioning his name) and to me it looks like Suban is done for a good while.

 

[benfica]

biggest joke on this board suban the next captain 2nd biggest joke matt deboer the next freo captain hopfully now some of you guys will stop saying it

 

[E Shed]

No he wasn't, but he's in his 6th year and supposed to be in his prime. You might say the same thing about Hill, but Hill has a lot more credits in the bank than Subes, plus Hill can be a matchwinner in a single quarter of footy. Subes can't [well, he's yet to reach that level]

Why would you even put Hill in this conversation? Hill would be top 3 in our fairest and best so far this year.

 

[MadMac]

Why would you even put Hill in this conversation? Hill would be top 3 in our fairest and best so far this year.

Just in case someone comes back with an argument that Hill needs to rip it up most weeks [and they were drafted the same year]. I personally think he's light years ahead of Subes.
But it has a bit to do with tonights game and he was well below his standards [I know, he wasn't alone ]

 

[simpsonwillo]

I don't think Suban should have received a 3 year contract extension. He is only an ok player and I don't really rate him highly as a mid. Maybe I'm just frustrated after tonight's game and I know he wasn't the only one but he always just seems to get caught with the ball


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[pokerspiv]

Just in case someone comes back with an argument that Hill needs to rip it up most weeks [and they were drafted the same year]. I personally think he's light years ahead of Subes.
But it has a bit to do with tonights game and he was well below his standards [I know, he wasn't alone ]

I felt a bit for Hill tonight because he copped a ball straight to the face in the first 5 minutes which clearly rattled his cage. He didn't touch the ball for about 20 minutes after that. But once he got over it he was decent enough.

I expect him to bounce back next week, just unlucky.

 

[MadMac]

I don't think Suban should have received a 3 year contract extension. He is only an ok player and I don't really rate him highly as a mid. Maybe I'm just frustrated after tonight's game and I know he wasn't the only one but he always just seems to get caught with the ball


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Was it really 3 years??? Sheeesh, players like him should be happy with 2 years. That's a bit odd

 

[MadMac]

I felt a bit for Hill tonight because he copped a ball straight to the face in the first 5 minutes which clearly rattled his cage. He didn't touch the ball for about 20 minutes after that. But once he got over it he was decent enough.

I expect him to bounce back next week, just unlucky.

I guess I forgot about that. Still, that shot at goal on the run in last quarter, and we were only 8 points down at the time, he should have nailed it and who knows, might have changed a game. I guess we'll never know

 

[Nickos66]

right now who's place that is available is he taking?

Choose anyone on our list.

OMG it's like you want him to fail.

 

[feds2000]

thought today was a watershed moment for him, seemed like if he can just link his skills now and get some form, he's cherry ripe to start his reign, give him 5-8 more games then go back to this thread, the pieces will eventually fit

 

[feds2000]

his only problem, just like a power punchers in boxing (kinda), he's just too good on his left and thus has absolutely no right, and it shows with opportunities of snaps in congestion

p.s

i mean when someone has so much power that rely on it too much, and they can gas, neglect other aspects of their training

 

[feds2000]

I felt a bit for Hill tonight because he copped a ball straight to the face in the first 5 minutes which clearly rattled his cage. He didn't touch the ball for about 20 minutes after that. But once he got over it he was decent enough.

I expect him to bounce back next week, just unlucky.

first 5 mins? think it was in the first 30 secs if i remember rightly

 

[pokerspiv]

thought today was a watershed moment for him, seemed like if he can just link his skills now and get some form, he's cherry ripe to start his reign, give him 5-8 more games then go back to this thread, the pieces will eventually fit

Are you serious? Today was one of the worst games Suban has ever played.