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Fehring said:
I think that clubs should be required to finalise all delistings before the first draft. However, that's not the case, so it's a bit rich for Connors to have a crack at us - it's the AFL's rule. If he was any sort of a bloke, he'd be lobbying for a change to the rules.

Commiserations to Nicholas, and best of luck to him for the future.
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Rules worked fine for Mr Connors when he let a club captain get through to a pre season draft a couple of years back, and it's only his own website that has gone with the ' anger' in the heading
the rest have watered it right down-
Winmar axing 'should not happen'
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even the H-S which uses the word 'slams' in it's lead in but only states
St Kilda delists top draft pick Nick Winmar
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in the article

His player was informed on Friday- listing for free agency concludes tomorrow
November 28, 2pm - Out of Contract Listed Players Nomination Deadline, International Players Nomination Deadline, Players Not Registered / Played Three Years Deadline, NSW Scholarship and International Scholarship Players Deadline.
November 28, 5pm - Second Delisted Player Free Agency Period ends.
November 29, 2pm - List Lodgement Three.
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Winmar's problem is that he'll struggle to get picked up in either the rookie draft or the psd. But that's not because we screwed him over. That's because he's done bugger all for three years, on a list that was begging for him to rise to the opportunity for two of those years.
 
juzzo said:
Only the first period is over. There are 3 periods. In fact we're in the middle of one right now...
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Exactly.
If this was before Free Agency, then sure I get what he's saying. But no, if another club wants Winmar they will get Winmar. So wtf is his problem?

Did I not call this bitching and moaning would happen?
 

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Defacto said:
you need to add in that the ceo jobs for all companies can only be full filled through 1 period a year. sitting out for a year means your chances of getting a job in the next period are significantly reduced.

your company cuts you when the number of positions has been significantly reduced. instead of addressing the issue before the hiring period.

i am sure i am not the only one who has an issue with this. i hope the afl closes this loop hole.
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And you need to add in that due to the CEO's capabilities, he was unlikely to get a job anyway no matter what time of the year it is. No offense to Winmar, but from all reports he was underperfoming to the point where he struggled to crack into the Zebs senior squad. What is the chance that another team would pick him up? Very, very minimal. Despite this, if clubs did want to take the punt there is still both the PSD and the rookie draft. If this avenue fails, he has the option of playing state league football on an AFL wage and nominate for the draft next year, although, like I said, his chances are not great based on current form
 
they just had connors on the radio over here in perth (on 6pr) talking about winmar. was very interesting. saints told connors the reason why they delisted him so late was for salary cap reasons. if they delisted him early, his salary would have counted towards the 2012 cap.

by the sounds of it winmar will live with his missus in sydney and that its too late for connors to do anything for him.

said things changed because of who we drafted and we have someone in mind that we want to select.

winmar had injuries during the 2012 season. came back a bit unfit and had a poor time trial but it wasnt anything too major.
 
Defacto said:
thats the period you can nominate for the next drafts, as a delisted player
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Not sure what you're trying to say. You seem misinformed. The 3 Delisted Free Agency periods are:
1st November - 13th November
23rd November - 28th November
30th November - 4th December
 
THE AFL Players' Association will push the league to close the loophole that allowed St Kilda to dump Nick Winmar with a year to run on his contract.

Winmar was told by the Saints on Friday that he would be delisted ahead of the pre-season draft despite being midway through a two-year deal.

The AFLPA is uneasy about the 21-year-old's contract not being honoured and the fact the cut was made so late, ruling him out of last week's national draft.

Winmar's manager, Paul Connors, is also furious at the treatment of his client, saying he was stunned to learn of the axing on Friday night.

Winmar will be paid out, but loses the opportunity to earn match payments next season and faces an uncertain future with spots on rival lists now so tight.

AFLPA general manager of player relations, Ian Prendergast, is likely to front the AFL on the issue of broken contracts and the timing of the call.

"We believe that if a club contracts a player for two years then they should honour that contract, unless they have grounds to terminate, which is not the case here," Prendergast said.

"We are particularly concerned about the timing of the club's decision, being after the national draft and the adverse impact this will have on Nick furthering his career - especially given the compromised rookie draft due to rookie list positions being reduced by two spots for next season."

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/mor...-axe-nick-winmar/story-e6frf9jf-1226525228049
 
Defacto said:
cant believe people cant see how cutting him when they did is not bad. its extremely worrying and shows poor management.
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The poor management was giving him a 2 year contract in 2011, following his existing 2 year contract.

He has a 2013 income, and will get another one - whether via the 2nd FA period (ending today), rookie draft, or state league contract.

Whilst the timing by the Saints warrants questioning, Nick also needs to look in the mirror as to why a club would want to delist him even though he has a contract. It is not about some other player being available - it is about his performance in 3 years at St Kilda.

Maybe Paul Connors can get a certain club to take him on, in consideration of other favours (unless he's been paid for that already).
 
If Nick Winmar had come back in good shape , did the time trials well. was looking fit, enthusiatic and willing to do the hard yards etc etc, then i assume he would not have been delisted and the saints would have had to find someone to delist if they wanted to partake in the preseason or rookie draft. Obviously Nick Winmar did not do those things.
 
aussiethunda said:
THE AFL Players' Association will push the league to close the loophole that allowed St Kilda to dump Nick Winmar with a year to run on his contract.
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/mor...-axe-nick-winmar/story-e6frf9jf-1226525228049
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Looks like once again our club could be the catalyst for an AFL rule change, only this time the exisiting rule has worked in our favour unlike previous AFL rule changes prompted by cases involving St Kilda where the old rule has hurt us, eg Steven Baker multiple charges rule change, sirengate, Kozzy/high contact etc etc
 

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Winmar is not worse off.
He now has the opportunity to get a state leauge salary as well as his AFL salary, and to make an impact during the year that will attract the attention of the AFL clubs.
IF HE CANT MAKE THAT SORT OF IMPACT AT STATE LEAGUE LEVEL HE WAS NEVER GOING TO MAKE IT ANYWAY.
 
aussiethunda said:
THE AFL Players' Association will push the league to close the loophole that allowed St Kilda to dump Nick Winmar with a year to run on his contract.

Winmar was told by the Saints on Friday that he would be delisted ahead of the pre-season draft despite being midway through a two-year deal.

The AFLPA is uneasy about the 21-year-old's contract not being honoured and the fact the cut was made so late, ruling him out of last week's national draft.

Winmar's manager, Paul Connors, is also furious at the treatment of his client, saying he was stunned to learn of the axing on Friday night.

Winmar will be paid out, but loses the opportunity to earn match payments next season and faces an uncertain future with spots on rival lists now so tight.
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Let's be frank, he's being dropped because he's considered the ~38th player on the list.

As the ~38th player on the list he's not in line for match payments.


Equally, the player to come in is more likely to receive match payments, 1 out 1 in, it isn't a closed shop. In fact the Winmar sacking is actually going to produce 1 more player with an AFL contract in 2013. Winmar gets the opportunity to prove himself in a lower league whilst receiving an AFL contract, much like Brad Dick did.
 
aussiethunda said:
THE AFL Players' Association will push the league to close the loophole that allowed St Kilda to dump Nick Winmar with a year to run on his contract.

Winmar was told by the Saints on Friday that he would be delisted ahead of the pre-season draft despite being midway through a two-year deal.

The AFLPA is uneasy about the 21-year-old's contract not being honoured and the fact the cut was made so late, ruling him out of last week's national draft.

Winmar's manager, Paul Connors, is also furious at the treatment of his client, saying he was stunned to learn of the axing on Friday night.
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The club should ban any dealings with Connors if this is what happens when they do something that is completely within the rules but that he doesn't like. If he is also representing other players, they should be strongly encouraged to switch management companies.
 
St Bongo said:
Looks like once again our club could be the catalyst for an AFL rule change, only this time the exisiting rule has worked in our favour unlike previous AFL rule changes prompted by cases involving St Kilda where the old rule has hurt us, eg Steven Baker multiple charges rule change, sirengate, Kozzy/high contact etc etc
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Attacking injured players....
 

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Looks like he let himself go

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tbarker said:
Appalling Saints! Cutting a contracted bloke after the draft is disgusting. I posted on another post that my mail told me that he was on notice about his fitness and returned even worse after the break. I have been a huge supporter of Winmar on this forum but no sympathy for him returning so unfit. However the club should have delisted him earlier so that they could pick someone in the national draft and not be last in line in the rookie/preseason draft. poor management in my view. If we had delisted Winmar then we might have picked up a Coloquon at pick 110!! Now he will probably go to PA ahead of us in the pre-season draft. all I can think is that there is more to it.
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Mate, if we wanted Coloquon, we would've selected him...same with Port and the other 16 clubs. If 18 clubs (with 80 odd picks) have overlooked him, it says something. I'd suggest we have another target in mind.
 
Its on Saints website aswell, in the video section
 

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