The Law Nicola Gobbo named - Massive corruption by Victoria Police that will see major criminals released from jail

Mofra

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Reports in the media that the Andrews government is toying with the idea of introducing special laws to detain prisoners who were denied due process in the lawyer X scandal.
Surely that can't get through?

Most of the Spring St snouts are lawyers who know where they're headed as soon as their political career is over. They won't want to cut off their avenues to gainful employment when they've finished with politics. Not to mention the number of legal challenges such a bill is likely to face.
 

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Surely that can't get through?

Most of the Spring St snouts are lawyers who know where they're headed as soon as their political career is over. They won't want to cut off their avenues to gainful employment when they've finished with politics. Not to mention the number of legal challenges such a bill is likely to face.
The Victorian government has absolute power within it"s sphere of constitutional powers.There are no applicable separation of powers within it's sphere.

I hope people start to realise the latent totalitarian model that lies within the hands of politicians in this state. It's downright dangerous.

They may actually be able to legally do outrageous things like this.
 

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The Victorian government has absolute power within it"s sphere of constitutional powers.There are no applicable separation of powers within it's sphere.

I hope people start to realise the latent totalitarian model that lies within the hands of politicians in this state. It's downright dangerous.

They may actually be able to legally do outrageous things like this.
That is scary - retrospective adjudication after a court process has proven to be flawed.
 

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Surely that can't get through?

Most of the Spring St snouts are lawyers who know where they're headed as soon as their political career is over. They won't want to cut off their avenues to gainful employment when they've finished with politics. Not to mention the number of legal challenges such a bill is likely to face.
Its VIcPol mate - they stuffed it and like always now seek more legislative powers
 

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They've already done effectively that to Julian Knight and Craig Minogue - changed their sentences a long time down the track for contemporary political reasons.

The affidavit case also. They wallpaper over due process in order to serve political populism.

It's entry level dictatorial stuff.
 

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The corrupt cops are starting to shit themselves.

As predicted, they're wheeling out "the gangland war" as the reason for perverting the course of justice.

Victoria Police split over royal commission into Nicola Gobbo

By Cameron Houston, Chris Vedelago and Tammy Mills
March 8, 2019 — 11.30pm

A major split has opened up within Victoria Police between force command and rank-and-file officers ahead of the royal commission into the use of underworld barrister Nicola Gobbo as an informer. Police officers who were directly responsible for managing Ms Gobbo have hired their own lawyers - led by a renowned former County Court judge - fearing, according to people close to the investigation, that force command could “throw them under the bus” in a bid to avoid responsibility for the scandal.

The move by ordinary officers means the royal commission could hear two quite distinct stories from Victoria's police about who was responsible for recruiting and managing Gobbo as an informer, and who was to blame for the arrangement going off the rails. The Age has also separately heard that Victoria Police has been refusing to hand over documents sought by the royal commission, despite pledges the force would cooperate fully with the inquiry.

Victoria Police are using the same justifications to refuse handing over documents as those that were overruled by successive courts, including the High Court, according to sources. The impasse could see Victoria Police hauled before the Supreme Court or even subject to raids under the royal commission’s power to obtain search warrants. Failing to comply with a “notice to produce” is a criminal offence punishable by up to two years prison. “Victoria Police remains committed to full and transparent engagement with the Royal Commission,” a spokesman said. The royal commission declined to comment on the conflict, except to say through a spokeswoman: “The Commission is continuing to receive a great deal of material from a number of sources in response to notices to produce and is assessing that material”.Victoria Police has hired veteran Queensland barrister Saul Holt QC and solicitors Corrs Chambers Westgarth to represent it. But a number of former members of the human source unit, which handled Ms Gobbo and other police informants, and was overhauled in 2013, have hired retired County Court judge Geoffrey Chettle to represent them. Mr Chettle retired from the bench last year. As a judge, he jailed Christian Brother paedophile Robert Best and gangland boss Rocco Arico. The representation is being funded by the Police Association, the union for the state’s 14,000 police officers. A Victoria Police spokesman said the chief commissioner had made it clear that support for all police, both serving and veteran, is of paramount concern. “Accordingly we are working hard to ensure those impacted by these matters have access to legal support and a full range of welfare services,” he said. “Individuals of course have the option of seeking independent legal advice if they wish to do so.”

Ms Gobbo, who is also known as Informer 3838, was potentially involved in hundreds of criminal cases and trials since she was first registered as a human source in 1995. The decision by some officers to break away from command came despite a plea for unity made to more than 50 current and former staff, including an assistant commissioner, during a crisis meeting called shortly after the royal commission was announced in December. Those investigators, who were involved in many of the most important criminal cases run during Melbourne’s underworld war, were told the police would be vindicated by the royal commission and they should avoid speaking out independently or leaking to the media. Numerous current and former police officers will give evidence. Chief Commissioner Graham Ashton stood by the police involved in his first public statement about Ms Gobbo when the story broke in December. “The officers, both current and veteran, who managed the informer and worked on these investigations acted in good faith and they can expect to have my continuing support,” Mr Ashton said. Ms Gobbo became an informer when Melbourne was in the grip of the gangland war, he said. “It was, accordingly, a desperate and dangerous time and a genuine sense of urgency was enveloping the criminal justice system, including police,” he said. “At all times when handling these matters, our absolute concern has been for the protection of the lawyer and their family who Victorian police believed would be murdered if this information would be released.” It’s not clear if former senior police leaders, including former chief commissioners Simon Overland and Christine Nixon will also be called, and if they will also have separate legal representation.

Another crucial point for the royal commission is what the Victorian government solicitor’s office - known as the VGSO - knew about the use of the lawyer as an informer. If government lawyers gave police the green light, scrutiny will shift from the force and onto the VGSO. Ms Gobbo was first registered as an informer in 1995, before she began practicing as a lawyer. Sources say she also provided police with secret information over a five-month period in 1999 a year after she was admitted to the bar. She was then given the informer number 3838 when she was registered again in 2005 and deregistered in 2009.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/victoria-police-split-over-royal-commission-into-nicola-gobbo-20190308-p512u8.html
 

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The 2nd half of that is a fair way from being correct.

Williams body could have easily lay there undetected right up until lock-up, the only reason he was found when he was is because Johnson told the Foyer Officer himself that Carl had 'hurt his head'. The camera system at the time was archaic. A camera would only dwell on the one spot for a few seconds and then move on. If you weren't looking at the right time, you'd miss it. I'm sure they would have been upgraded following the murder and I'm sure the Foyer Officer either has help or they have re-allocated some of their duties to another officer.

At the time, the Foyer Officer was responsible for monitoring all the cameras, answering phones, maintaining logs for visitors and prisoner movements, Acacia Unit, is / was divided into 4 smaller sub-units internally. The Foyer Officer was the only person in the unit that had keys to access the entry doors to Acacia Unit itself plus the 4 sub-units, if you need to get in and out for any number of reasons, the Foyer Officer would have to stop watching cameras or whatever they were doing and coming and let you into a unit. Once in the unit we'd have keys for cells and exercise yards. To get back out, the Foyer Officer would have to come and let you out.

It was probably one of the busiest, if not the busiest posts in the prison at the time. I did it on a handful of occasions and as a smoker at the time, it was a ****** role.

The biggest question from that for me is about the weapon used. It was in the same unit that Brazel was bashed, Johnson was involved and the seat stem from an exercise bike was used in that one too along with the metal pole from a vacuum cleaner and a sandwich maker. The 'Trial From Hell' followed.

I'd be interested to see if the disappearance of David Prideaux gets a going over too, happened about 14 months after Williams had his head stoved in.
Let’s hope so
 

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Intelligence and evidence are very different.
are well we all differ in terms of intelligence and who we like as people.. and who we use.. and therefore evidence is also
didactical and causal of the derivation of the human scientifically personality we all would like to crash and burn...
 

Leeda

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so is the lady of the law a blues supporter or a person of variation demanding altering versions of capatilism according to
the 'friends' of the moment'

Intriguing ... very pornographic and no wonder it allows money to flow here and there...
 

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Dowsley in the Hun today giving the very strong tip it was Gobbo who visited Matty Johnson in jail and passed on the word that Carl had to go.

The whole Rocco dun it thing was always a joke, mainly aimed at creating suitable atmospherics for his trial.
 

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Well, it's started.


Faruk Orman, who was jailed for the 2002 murder of underworld figure Victor Peirce, will walk free from a Melbourne court after his conviction was quashed in the wake of the Lawyer X scandal.

Orman sat crying and wiping his eyes as his conviction was thrown out by the full bench of the Victorian Court of Appeal this morning.
 

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