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[Zondor]

League won't ever get to 18 teams due to talent dilution.


Eventually you'll see amalgamated sides from Victoria. Better to have a license now and be the north Melbourne tassie Roos rather than the Richmond Hawks ffs

Thanks for that Nostradamus. Whilst you're at it do you have next week's Oz Lotto Numbers handy? :stern look

 

[astrovic]

There may be 'ignored posts' I'm not seeing, but this reads as unnecessarily sarcastic and disrespectful.

Personally, yet again , I'm happy we're in, I'm happy the women (and girls) have a pathway to play, I'm pleased for those who worked hard to make this happen AND brand dilution (as a possible thin end of the wedge) bothers me. I don't appreciate having that view belittled.

I'm also astounded that some better posters have criticised anyone who isn't a full 100% in their support for this. This is probably the first time in my life I find myself sympathising with those who use the phrase 'political correctness'.

After reading the last days' worth of tripe, my post was necessarily sarcastic and deliberately disrespectul towards the bullshit I just read. It deserves belittling.

For ****'s sake this is about our AFL women's team. If they - our women - are happy, then that is all that matters. It's about them, not me, not you, not all the ****ing windbags on this forum that have a very inflated belief that their opinion actually matters. And I'm happy to include myself in said category of windbags.

If you want to conflate what the women's team want with something else, then you deserve shit for that. And if you want to have sook about being called out on that and say "oh boo hoo political correctness", then you really need to check your privilege. It's not about you. Or me. This is about our women.

I'll say it again - if the women whom this is actually about are happy, then fantastic. That's is the beginning and end of this.

 

[tales129]

Thanks for that Nostradamus. Whilst you're at it do you have next week's Oz Lotto Numbers handy? :stern look

69, 181

 

[Zondor]

After reading the last days' worth of tripe, my post was necessarily sarcastic and deliberately disrespectul towards the bullshit I just read. It deserves belittling.

For ****'s sake this is about our AFL women's team. If they - our women - are happy, then that is all that matters. It's about them, not me, not you, not all the ******* windbags on this forum that have a very inflated belief that their opinion actually matters. And I'm happy to include myself in said category of windbags.

If you want to conflate what the women's team want with something else, then you deserve shit for that. And if you want to have sook about being called out on that and say "oh boo hoo political correctness", then you really need to check your privilege. It's not about you. Or me. This is about our women.

I'll say it again - if the women whom this is actually about are happy, then fantastic. That's is the beginning and end of this.

Give us a spell. "Our Woman" won't be playing for the North Melbourne Football Club. They will be playing for some Bastardised Hybrid Joint Venture with a Map of Tassie on their Guernsey. "Our Woman" should be playing for the Mighty NMFC. It is what they deserve. :stern look

 

[Zondor]

69, 181

I suggest you have another sip out of your own skull. :stern look

 

[Kimbo]

After reading the last days' worth of tripe, my post was necessarily sarcastic and deliberately disrespectul towards the bullshit I just read. It deserves belittling.

For ****'s sake this is about our AFL women's team. If they - our women - are happy, then that is all that matters. It's about them, not me, not you, not all the ******* windbags on this forum that have a very inflated belief that their opinion actually matters. And I'm happy to include myself in said category of windbags.

If you want to conflate what the women's team want with something else, then you deserve shit for that. And if you want to have sook about being called out on that and say "oh boo hoo political correctness", then you really need to check your privilege. It's not about you. Or me. This is about our women.

I'll say it again - if the women whom this is actually about are happy, then fantastic. That's is the beginning and end of this.

I come in peace...

I understand the motivation behind your post and respect it - indeed I fundamentally share it - despite the disrespect you've explicitly chosen to display.

I'm quite saddened by that, along with a lack of willingness to essentially consider or frame it as anything other than a single issue matter. For what it's worth, I actually agree that this is the most important point - I sincerely thank you and others for making this point, in principle and anecdotally. (Indeed, it genuinely gives me pause to reflect on priorities more generally.)

At the same time, I suggest that despite a view that this is the paramount issue, it doesn't make it the only valid concern, nor does it automatically render other concerns, and those who hold them, as illegitimate, no matter how founded or unfounded you and others may think they are. While those other concerns may be seen as 'lesser', in this case, I don't believe they are even necessarily opposing. I think this can be viewed in a 'both/and', rather than an 'either/or', way. (We can rejoice in the news and be somewhat wary of AFL long-term motives.)

Go the North Melbourne Tassie Kangaroos AFLW side! (May it provide great joy to many players and supporters alike.)

Go the North Melbourne Football Club!

Namaste.

 

[Twinkletoes]

How long before the PC crowd get offended about the female jumper having a map of Tassie it?

It's not the jumper having the map they're worried about, it's the prospect of the same map being displayed on the front of the shorts!

 

[GarnerSmash]

Did you read snraz's post?



So we had a caveat applied to our entry. That nobody else has had attached to theirs.

Why is our entry conditional on doing what the AFL wants? I'd like to know details of what made the other bids superior to ours, that we had to incorporate Tasmania to placate the Commission.

This isn't an anti-Tasmanian thing, I'm sure some of you are nice people. More just an irritation and long standing suspicion about being treated differently and reminded that we are subservient.

The AFL feel the need to keep Tassie sweet/quiet and see this as an opportunity to do so. Due to our existing relationship the have leverage.

We see it as on opportunity to get into the AFLW market and do so in a partnership arrangement where we get significant $$$ from the partner.

None of this changes the fact that we are a club in a healthy off field position, in the process of working through a significant facility redevelopment, based in a location that will soon be part of a major urban revitalization project and cannot be moved without member say so.

The only thing i trust about the AFL is self interest and financially it makes far more sense for North to remain in North in the long term and play 3-4 games a year in Tassie. There is more market here in member and sponsorship terms than in Tasmania and that, at the end of the day is all the AFL care about. Use us to keep Tas quiet by throwing them scraps.

 

[The chorus]

The AFL feel the need to keep Tassie sweet/quiet and see this as an opportunity to do so. Due to our existing relationship the have leverage.

We see it as on opportunity to get into the AFLW market and do so in a partnership arrangement where we get significant $$$ from the partner.

None of this changes the fact that we are a club in a healthy off field position, in the process of working through a significant facility redevelopment, based in a location that will soon be part of a major urban revitalization project and cannot be moved without member say so.

The only thing i trust about the AFL is self interest and financially it makes far more sense for North to remain in North in the long term and play 3-4 games a year in Tassie.

Excellent summary! A successful AFLW team will make our off field position even healthier and our future in Melbourne even more secure.

 

[King Corey]

After reading the last days' worth of tripe, my post was necessarily sarcastic and deliberately disrespectul towards the bullshit I just read. It deserves belittling.

For ****'s sake this is about our AFL women's team. If they - our women - are happy, then that is all that matters. It's about them, not me, not you, not all the ******* windbags on this forum that have a very inflated belief that their opinion actually matters. And I'm happy to include myself in said category of windbags.

If you want to conflate what the women's team want with something else, then you deserve shit for that. And if you want to have sook about being called out on that and say "oh boo hoo political correctness", then you really need to check your privilege. It's not about you. Or me. This is about our women.

I'll say it again - if the women whom this is actually about are happy, then fantastic. That's is the beginning and end of this.

In other words "shut up and buy a membership."

 

[danj]

I think we should have had a plebiscite on this issue or at least a survey to gauge support amongst members, not sure it would have gotten over the line in tassie

 

[Snake_Baker]

I wouldn't watch the games if they were played in my front yard, I see the whole AFLW as a marketing exercise.

However, when the word "Tasmania" is placed front & square I have to conclude that it is at least to some extent a Tasmanian marketing exercise, which should therefore be approached with some healthy skepticism.

I'm not calling for the manning of the barricades. Yet.

 

[Groin guru]

This venture has definitely split the board down the middle.

Can someone please clarify something for me:

If i think one of the players is attractive am i allowed to comment on this? Or do i have to comment on their skill too? I'm very confused. I don't know if it's politically correct or sexist.

 

[Snake_Baker]

This venture has definitely split the board down the middle.

Can someone please clarify something for me:

If i think one of the players is attractive am i allowed to comment on this? Or do i have to comment on their skill too? I'm very confused. I don't know if it's politically correct or sexist.

I think it all comes down to breast size.

 

[Saintly_]

Give us a spell. "Our Woman" won't be playing for the North Melbourne Football Club. They will be playing for some Bastardised Hybrid Joint Venture with a Map of Tassie on their Guernsey. "Our Woman" should be playing for the Mighty NMFC. It is what they deserve. :stern look

Could swear the one on the right looks a lot like what North usually wear.....

Plus it's excellent that the Tas variant maintains a primary North look rather than convert to State colours/design.

 

[Arden]

After reading the last days' worth of tripe, my post was necessarily sarcastic and deliberately disrespectul towards the bullshit I just read. It deserves belittling.

For ****'s sake this is about our AFL women's team. If they - our women - are happy, then that is all that matters. It's about them, not me, not you, not all the ******* windbags on this forum that have a very inflated belief that their opinion actually matters. And I'm happy to include myself in said category of windbags.

If you want to conflate what the women's team want with something else, then you deserve shit for that. And if you want to have sook about being called out on that and say "oh boo hoo political correctness", then you really need to check your privilege. It's not about you. Or me. This is about our women.

I'll say it again - if the women whom this is actually about are happy, then fantastic. That's is the beginning and end of this.

You are totally misreading this. I'm very happy that this now gives girls the opportunity to play for North Melbourne. I'm not trying to deny them that right or make them feel unwelcome. I don't have daughters but I have North supporting nieces.

This was a fight for equality, to give women the chance to play professional football for their AFL club. What I'm concerned about, is the inequality that the AFL has dealt them from the word go. By virtue of being North Melbourne's bid, they seemingly have been told by the AFL how the bid must be presented, split across two states. Sure, in and of itself, it might not be then end of the world, but is it the best way for our women's club to start its existence, with a foot on its throat?

What if in a further five or ten years, the AFL manipulate to require then to play more games in Tasmania, or another state/territory for that matter. It irks me that OUR club (men, women, children, pensioners) is continually and historically treated differently. We've just seen the AFL seemingly approve third party payments to keep Dusty at Richmond and away from us. And a couple of weeks later, according to pharro, we are told that the Commision tels our women's bid to include Tasmania or go away. And the stadium that the AFL now owns, still charges some teams more than another to play there because they 'haven't had time to restructure the deals.'

Was Richmond's 2020 bid told to play games in Albury and call themselves the Richmond-Albury Tigers? Or St Kilda required to be the St Kilda-Oodnadatta Saints?

Yes it's great that Tasmanian girls now have a pathway to AFL football. But if the AFL is so concerned about giving girls in regional areas access to elite AFL, why weren't any other licenses conditional like ours? My concern is for our club as a whole, men's and women's teams, to address the historical inequalities that our women's team has now just inherited.

 

[RobZombie]

This venture has definitely split the board down the middle.

Can someone please clarify something for me:

If i think one of the players is attractive am i allowed to comment on this? Or do i have to comment on their skill too? I'm very confused. I don't know if it's politically correct or sexist.

As a middle class, middle-ged, cis het white dude with two sons and no daughters, I will declare myself the authority on this:

I don't see why not. If women and anyone else who feels the need to do so can express the opinion that Andrew Swallow or Jaeger O'Meara is an attractive man, or appreciate Dec Mountford's rig while still having something to say about their football ability, why shouldn't it be ok to observe that Tayla Harris is attractive as well as strong overhead and hard at the contest?

But obviously, reducing someone to nothing more than their sexual characteristics and having nothing to say about their football, or being overtly creepy about it is poor form. I would think that fat-shaming Sarah Perkins is far worse form than making fun of W80's "sloppy rig".

It was hard not to notice that the club chose two very photogenic girls to model the jumpers and I was disappointed that they seemed to be there as nothing but eye candy and weren't even given any softball questions about how much they looked forward to the opportunity to pull on the jumper for real. Stark contrast to how they've promoted Amren and her headscarf.

 

[CBSlogger]

I had a similar moment to Saintly.....

I couldn't wait to tell my 3 primary school-aged daughters of the news yesterday. It's been a regular topic of conversation at our dinner table for some time, and within 1 minute of telling them I got a picture sent back from my wife of them fist-pumping the air in joy, absolutely pumped about it.

When you become a father of girls the world can shift some, and things like girls / women's sport and their opportunities in general can become a whole lot more important than they may have as a younger bloke so this is pretty special to me and my family.

That said, as an 'open minded realist' my brother once called me I also have some reservations about what we've possibly compromised to achieve this fantastic news. Does that mean I can't celebrate with my girls whilst remaining quietly cautious of the politics that may encroach on us down the track?

For me the biggest concern is the name that will appear on the ladder and fixtures Etc. If it's 'North Melbourne' then all good, carry on. If it's not, I'll be keeping a very keen eye on that thin edge of the wedge. Not because I don't 100% trust our club, but because the AFL are one of the most subtly corrupt organisations in this country and love conditioning the media to help them shift goalposts.

I understand the mix of views on this one but they aren't mutually exclusive.

 

[Zondor]

Could swear the one on the right looks a lot like what North usually wear.....

Plus it's excellent that the Tas variant maintains a primary North look rather than convert to State colours/design.

Yes plenty of teams play in Blue and White stripes around Australia however it doesn't make them the NMFC. The Women's Side will not be called The North Melbourne Football Club. That's because it isn't. It is a "Joint Venture" with your beloved State and the name of the Team will include Tasmania to represent as such. So you and others can argue away 10 ways to Sunday about how this is about Women or Equality, but if truth be told, it's also about the erosion of our identity and if you can't acknowledge that, then you don't truly care about the long term future of the NMFC as a Melbourne Club. I will also reiterate that our Women deserve to play for a true North Melbourne. Not some bastardised hybrid which this is. :stern look

 

[R00StaR]

After reading the last days' worth of tripe, my post was necessarily sarcastic and deliberately disrespectul towards the bullshit I just read. It deserves belittling.

For ****'s sake this is about our AFL women's team. If they - our women - are happy, then that is all that matters. It's about them, not me, not you, not all the ******* windbags on this forum that have a very inflated belief that their opinion actually matters. And I'm happy to include myself in said category of windbags.

If you want to conflate what the women's team want with something else, then you deserve shit for that. And if you want to have sook about being called out on that and say "oh boo hoo political correctness", then you really need to check your privilege. It's not about you. Or me. This is about our women.

I'll say it again - if the women whom this is actually about are happy, then fantastic. That's is the beginning and end of this.

Yeah dont be sexist you evil white privileged males!
Mens team is for everyone, women's team is for women, minorities and safe space visitors ONLY! So unless you're one of the later zip it up or be thrown into the correction gulag.

 

[Firestarter]

And that's why I'm being smart for once and not arguing fair concerns.

 

[Saintly_]

Yes plenty of teams play in Blue and White stripes around Australia however it doesn't make them the NMFC. The Women's Side will not be called The North Melbourne Football Club. That's because it isn't. It is a "Joint Venture" with your beloved State and the name of the Team will include Tasmania to represent as such. So you and others can argue away 10 ways to Sunday about how this is about Women or Equality, but if truth be told, it's also about the erosion of our identity and if you can't acknowledge that, then you don't truly care about the long term future of the NMFC as a Melbourne Club. I will also reiterate that our Women deserve to play for a true North Melbourne. Not some bastardised hybrid which this is. :stern look

They will be playing for both - it doesn't have be either/or in this scenario.

North Melbourne got a womens team. Tasmania got a womens team.

The girls are representing both depending on which State the game is being played in.

Our identity is not eroded one iota.

If the jumper was in-between and tried to cover both as a compromise, I'd agree with you - but it doesn't, so I don't.

 

[radiojake]

How long before the PC crowd get offended about the female jumper having a map of Tassie it?

I don't think it's a case of getting offended - but I can't help but wonder whether or not anyone flagged it as something to think about -

 

[Twinkletoes]

Posted on Instagram by Heath yesterday, re concerns over this being the first step towards relocation:

 

[giantroo]

Posted on Instagram by Heath yesterday, re concerns over this being the first step towards relocation:

Exactly what Dilena said as well.