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Val Keating said:
TBF the club couldn’t possibly have any premonition that Shaw would melt down like that.
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It should have been picked up in the psych test....if they did one!
 
PokerRoo said:
Surely no one is buying the rubbish that all is fine at the club. Its plain as day that there is a disconnect between the player and the coach/coaching staff. Is our list good enough the be top 8. No. Is it better than what we are showing now? Yes. Its either a bad game plan, or a good game plan and he is unable to teach it effectively. Either way, you can't keep doing the same thing and expect some different.

All the talk, especially on this board was how bad collingwood and hawthorn were going to be this year. The reality is, that they are being well coached, despite having outstanding lists. You can see in the way they play that they are all playing to a specific plan. We are not, and IMO this rest squarely on the coaching staff.

He may be able to turn things around and I doubt anything would happen until late in the year if at all, so he has time, but you can't keep having 10 goal losses, its unsustainable in a rebuild or not
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If Noble has the full support of the playing group with these results we are in the s**t for many years to come imo.
 

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Val Keating said:
TBF the club couldn’t possibly have any premonition that Shaw would melt down like that.
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I would argue they should have known. One of the key requirements in such an appointment is the right personality, charisma and strong character that would withstand adversity. If they were just after good footy knowledge, they should have kept him as an assitant.
 
Event Horizon said:
I would argue they should have known. One of the key requirements in such an appointment is the right personality, charisma and strong character that would withstand adversity. If they were just after good footy knowledge, they should have kept him as an assitant.
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Everything is easy in hindsight.
 
Val Keating said:
Everything is easy in hindsight.
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True, and I am not blaming anyone. All I am saying is that should the board terminate Noble midseason (or even end of season two) it will invite some criticism towards themselves for making two wrong appointments in quick succession. That is not the reason not to terminate him by the way. Especially if Clarko could be convinced to come. But they need to be ready for some tough questions, and the fact Noble is still there may well indicate they aren't keen on that
 
“The stories coming out of the club about the relationships between the coach and the players are disturbing. It was disturbing last week when news leaked to the Herald Sun about the spray after the Brisbane loss that David Noble had given his players, so bad that he apologised,” she said on Footy Classified.

“I think that’s a problem when players are talking about that stuff, and I’m hearing more and more about players being a bit disenchanted with his temper on occasion.

“The coaches are ‘we’ the players are ‘they,’ some of the language that you’re hearing about.

“These are the stories I was starting to hear at the end of 2020 with David Teague, it’s just a bit of a worry to me. I’m not saying David Noble is gone; he‘s only a season and a half in, but I think he’s got a lot of work to do wo win back some players.”
 
giantroo said:
“The stories coming out of the club about the relationships between the coach and the players are disturbing. It was disturbing last week when news leaked to the Herald Sun about the spray after the Brisbane loss that David Noble had given his players, so bad that he apologised,” she said on Footy Classified.

“I think that’s a problem when players are talking about that stuff, and I’m hearing more and more about players being a bit disenchanted with his temper on occasion.

“The coaches are ‘we’ the players are ‘they,’ some of the language that you’re hearing about.

“These are the stories I was starting to hear at the end of 2020 with David Teague, it’s just a bit of a worry to me. I’m not saying David Noble is gone; he‘s only a season and a half in, but I think he’s got a lot of work to do wo win back some players.”
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"a lot of work to do to win back some players"

I think the key to this whole saga is the "some" part. Which players? Because 2/3rds of the list could be named and I would shrug my shoulders about it all to be honest.
 
Now his offsiders are leaving.
 

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Hopefully Noble now gets some decent operators around him to assist him to do his job and give him a decent chance to prove himself (or not), and build/develop the list properly.

I couldn't be happier with the news we are taking firm action, I'd be much more worried if just sat back we did nothing.

Onwards and upwards North.
 
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Angry, shouty David Noble has work to do to unite North Melbourne​

On Tuesday morning, North Melbourne were selling a message that senior coach David Noble had pulled his head in, then three key staffers quit.

Jon Ralph and Matt Turner


The strong message out of North Melbourne on Tuesday morning was that David Noble had pulled his head in.

That the club had circled the wagons around the second-year coach and were intent on delivering stability to a football program at the absolute bottom of its deep, dark rebuild.

That his crash or crash-through approach was counterproductive and if continued, a fast-track to removal as North Melbourne’s senior coach.

Then late afternoon came the club release that revealed the simmering discontent within Arden St.

A trio of North Melbourne recruiters led by Mark Finnigan and Glenn Luff had departed the building amid significant turmoil and accusations of a total lack of support.

For coach Noble and the North Melbourne hierarchy, the timing was abysmal — eight days ahead of a mid-season draft where the club will have two selections.

But the greater fallout will be a renewed focus on the club’s football department and a coach who, until the last month, had been keener to shout than to nurture his players.

Finnigan will find his way to Hawthorn on a three-year deal, but only after feeling undermined and unsupported in recent months.

After repeated job offers elsewhere the highly rated recruiter was compelled to take the Hawks offer when the Roos hierarchy was lukewarm on matching the three-year Hawthorn deal.

Former Champion Data analyst Luff walked too and even if he was already considering his future, the unfair hit job on some of the list team’s draft picks this week must have had him wondering where that information came from.

It is understood the recruiting team felt a collaborative approach as seen in the best clubs —we own our recruiting successes and failures equally — was instead replaced by blame from specific members higher up the chain.

All of it adds up to a sense of impending doom for a club that admits it has multiple seasons of onfield struggles ahead, given it is 33 games into a rebuild it expects to last 88 games across four seasons.

Noble’s tendency to shout rather than nurture, to roar rather than cuddle, was an open secret in the early rounds of the season.

David Noble is an old school coach with a tendency to shout rather than nurture Picture: Getty Images

David Noble is an old school coach with a tendency to shout rather than nurture Picture: Getty Images

As the club’s hopes of improved performances earlier in the rebuild were exposed as fallacy, Noble was frustrated and angry.

There are several versions, but that tirade delivered to players after the round 3 loss to Brisbane either brought young players to tears or awfully close, and was followed by an apology to the group days later.

But as has been said more than once inside the walls of Arden St, in his first year Noble delivered more sprays than Brad Scott in his entire tenure.

There is no doubt Noble has put some Roos staffers off side with bedside manner and yet what the Roos believe is that he has changed significantly since that round 3 contest.

That the fallout from that round 3 spray forced Noble to be a more positive and affirming presence in his feedback to players.

That he has listened and responded with a moderated tone for a playing group who come from a generation where the only real feedback they accept is positive.

Jason Horne-Francis is the club’s most important property and yet he has put off contract talks amid signs he has not settled as well as he might at a club that rejected astronomical trade offers for him.

The news last night that he was counselled by the club after he flew home to Adelaide without its permission after a Friday night game in Perth was another worrying sign for a club.

It has already had talks parked for exciting 24-year-old forward Cam Zurhaar.

Those close to him were adamant that the club knew he wasn’t playing the following week and that the story had been overblown, but for a club that only has two years to convince Horne-Francis to re-sign, none of it helps the cause.

Number 1 pick Jason Horne-Francis put contract talks on hold recently Picture: Getty Images

Number 1 pick Jason Horne-Francis put contract talks on hold recently Picture: Getty Images

For the Roos there is so much at stake as they attempt to surround Noble with the support staff to get through the dark days of a rebuild.

They simply cannot afford to find a fourth coach in four years given it was only three years ago this week Brad Scott moved on.

And then it was Rhyce Shaw’s diabolical hub experience without adequate club support leading to his departure.

The Roos are adamant Noble will coach them again next year, that hiring a first-time coach has given them the football cap space to surround him with a long list of development staff and coaching assistants.

Paul Roos remains in America but his ‘Performance By Design’ off-sider Gerard Murphy is active at the club, while Noble has a long list of official and unofficial mentors.

He has senior assistant John Blakey, development boss Gavin Brown, assistants Heath Younie and Jordan Russell, ruck coach Anthony Rocca and development coaches Leigh Adams and Brent Harvey.

Noble has a list of performance KPIs to keep his job, but also behavioural KPIs.

With the list cut so deep and the rebuild so significant he simply must rely on the behavioural standards given the on-field fortunes.

The task is clear for Noble — it is not enough to stop yelling at players, he must unite the entire club and football program behind him.

Former North Melbourne premiership star David King says not many coaches who start the rebuild get to finish them, and right now the fear is that Noble will not be the exception to the rule.
 
giantroo said:

Angry, shouty David Noble has work to do to unite North Melbourne​

On Tuesday morning, North Melbourne were selling a message that senior coach David Noble had pulled his head in, then three key staffers quit.

Jon Ralph and Matt Turner


The strong message out of North Melbourne on Tuesday morning was that David Noble had pulled his head in.

That the club had circled the wagons around the second-year coach and were intent on delivering stability to a football program at the absolute bottom of its deep, dark rebuild.

That his crash or crash-through approach was counterproductive and if continued, a fast-track to removal as North Melbourne’s senior coach.

Then late afternoon came the club release that revealed the simmering discontent within Arden St.

A trio of North Melbourne recruiters led by Mark Finnigan and Glenn Luff had departed the building amid significant turmoil and accusations of a total lack of support.

For coach Noble and the North Melbourne hierarchy, the timing was abysmal — eight days ahead of a mid-season draft where the club will have two selections.

But the greater fallout will be a renewed focus on the club’s football department and a coach who, until the last month, had been keener to shout than to nurture his players.

Finnigan will find his way to Hawthorn on a three-year deal, but only after feeling undermined and unsupported in recent months.

After repeated job offers elsewhere the highly rated recruiter was compelled to take the Hawks offer when the Roos hierarchy was lukewarm on matching the three-year Hawthorn deal.

Former Champion Data analyst Luff walked too and even if he was already considering his future, the unfair hit job on some of the list team’s draft picks this week must have had him wondering where that information came from.

It is understood the recruiting team felt a collaborative approach as seen in the best clubs —we own our recruiting successes and failures equally — was instead replaced by blame from specific members higher up the chain.

All of it adds up to a sense of impending doom for a club that admits it has multiple seasons of onfield struggles ahead, given it is 33 games into a rebuild it expects to last 88 games across four seasons.

Noble’s tendency to shout rather than nurture, to roar rather than cuddle, was an open secret in the early rounds of the season.

David Noble is an old school coach with a tendency to shout rather than nurture Picture: Getty Images

David Noble is an old school coach with a tendency to shout rather than nurture Picture: Getty Images

As the club’s hopes of improved performances earlier in the rebuild were exposed as fallacy, Noble was frustrated and angry.

There are several versions, but that tirade delivered to players after the round 3 loss to Brisbane either brought young players to tears or awfully close, and was followed by an apology to the group days later.

But as has been said more than once inside the walls of Arden St, in his first year Noble delivered more sprays than Brad Scott in his entire tenure.

There is no doubt Noble has put some Roos staffers off side with bedside manner and yet what the Roos believe is that he has changed significantly since that round 3 contest.

That the fallout from that round 3 spray forced Noble to be a more positive and affirming presence in his feedback to players.

That he has listened and responded with a moderated tone for a playing group who come from a generation where the only real feedback they accept is positive.

Jason Horne-Francis is the club’s most important property and yet he has put off contract talks amid signs he has not settled as well as he might at a club that rejected astronomical trade offers for him.

The news last night that he was counselled by the club after he flew home to Adelaide without its permission after a Friday night game in Perth was another worrying sign for a club.

It has already had talks parked for exciting 24-year-old forward Cam Zurhaar.

Those close to him were adamant that the club knew he wasn’t playing the following week and that the story had been overblown, but for a club that only has two years to convince Horne-Francis to re-sign, none of it helps the cause.

Number 1 pick Jason Horne-Francis put contract talks on hold recently Picture: Getty Images

Number 1 pick Jason Horne-Francis put contract talks on hold recently Picture: Getty Images

For the Roos there is so much at stake as they attempt to surround Noble with the support staff to get through the dark days of a rebuild.

They simply cannot afford to find a fourth coach in four years given it was only three years ago this week Brad Scott moved on.

And then it was Rhyce Shaw’s diabolical hub experience without adequate club support leading to his departure.

The Roos are adamant Noble will coach them again next year, that hiring a first-time coach has given them the football cap space to surround him with a long list of development staff and coaching assistants.

Paul Roos remains in America but his ‘Performance By Design’ off-sider Gerard Murphy is active at the club, while Noble has a long list of official and unofficial mentors.

He has senior assistant John Blakey, development boss Gavin Brown, assistants Heath Younie and Jordan Russell, ruck coach Anthony Rocca and development coaches Leigh Adams and Brent Harvey.

Noble has a list of performance KPIs to keep his job, but also behavioural KPIs.

With the list cut so deep and the rebuild so significant he simply must rely on the behavioural standards given the on-field fortunes.

The task is clear for Noble — it is not enough to stop yelling at players, he must unite the entire club and football program behind him.

Former North Melbourne premiership star David King says not many coaches who start the rebuild get to finish them, and right now the fear is that Noble will not be the exception to the rule.
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So Finnigan left after NMFC not matching a three year deal, Luff was on the way out anyway, and they don't even bother to look up the name of the other one.
 
giantroo said:

Angry, shouty David Noble has work to do to unite North Melbourne​

On Tuesday morning, North Melbourne were selling a message that senior coach David Noble had pulled his head in, then three key staffers quit.

Jon Ralph and Matt Turner


The strong message out of North Melbourne on Tuesday morning was that David Noble had pulled his head in.

That the club had circled the wagons around the second-year coach and were intent on delivering stability to a football program at the absolute bottom of its deep, dark rebuild.

That his crash or crash-through approach was counterproductive and if continued, a fast-track to removal as North Melbourne’s senior coach.

Then late afternoon came the club release that revealed the simmering discontent within Arden St.

A trio of North Melbourne recruiters led by Mark Finnigan and Glenn Luff had departed the building amid significant turmoil and accusations of a total lack of support.

For coach Noble and the North Melbourne hierarchy, the timing was abysmal — eight days ahead of a mid-season draft where the club will have two selections.

But the greater fallout will be a renewed focus on the club’s football department and a coach who, until the last month, had been keener to shout than to nurture his players.

Finnigan will find his way to Hawthorn on a three-year deal, but only after feeling undermined and unsupported in recent months.

After repeated job offers elsewhere the highly rated recruiter was compelled to take the Hawks offer when the Roos hierarchy was lukewarm on matching the three-year Hawthorn deal.

Former Champion Data analyst Luff walked too and even if he was already considering his future, the unfair hit job on some of the list team’s draft picks this week must have had him wondering where that information came from.

It is understood the recruiting team felt a collaborative approach as seen in the best clubs —we own our recruiting successes and failures equally — was instead replaced by blame from specific members higher up the chain.

All of it adds up to a sense of impending doom for a club that admits it has multiple seasons of onfield struggles ahead, given it is 33 games into a rebuild it expects to last 88 games across four seasons.

Noble’s tendency to shout rather than nurture, to roar rather than cuddle, was an open secret in the early rounds of the season.

David Noble is an old school coach with a tendency to shout rather than nurture Picture: Getty Images

David Noble is an old school coach with a tendency to shout rather than nurture Picture: Getty Images

As the club’s hopes of improved performances earlier in the rebuild were exposed as fallacy, Noble was frustrated and angry.

There are several versions, but that tirade delivered to players after the round 3 loss to Brisbane either brought young players to tears or awfully close, and was followed by an apology to the group days later.

But as has been said more than once inside the walls of Arden St, in his first year Noble delivered more sprays than Brad Scott in his entire tenure.

There is no doubt Noble has put some Roos staffers off side with bedside manner and yet what the Roos believe is that he has changed significantly since that round 3 contest.

That the fallout from that round 3 spray forced Noble to be a more positive and affirming presence in his feedback to players.

That he has listened and responded with a moderated tone for a playing group who come from a generation where the only real feedback they accept is positive.

Jason Horne-Francis is the club’s most important property and yet he has put off contract talks amid signs he has not settled as well as he might at a club that rejected astronomical trade offers for him.

The news last night that he was counselled by the club after he flew home to Adelaide without its permission after a Friday night game in Perth was another worrying sign for a club.

It has already had talks parked for exciting 24-year-old forward Cam Zurhaar.

Those close to him were adamant that the club knew he wasn’t playing the following week and that the story had been overblown, but for a club that only has two years to convince Horne-Francis to re-sign, none of it helps the cause.

Number 1 pick Jason Horne-Francis put contract talks on hold recently Picture: Getty Images

Number 1 pick Jason Horne-Francis put contract talks on hold recently Picture: Getty Images

For the Roos there is so much at stake as they attempt to surround Noble with the support staff to get through the dark days of a rebuild.

They simply cannot afford to find a fourth coach in four years given it was only three years ago this week Brad Scott moved on.

And then it was Rhyce Shaw’s diabolical hub experience without adequate club support leading to his departure.

The Roos are adamant Noble will coach them again next year, that hiring a first-time coach has given them the football cap space to surround him with a long list of development staff and coaching assistants.

Paul Roos remains in America but his ‘Performance By Design’ off-sider Gerard Murphy is active at the club, while Noble has a long list of official and unofficial mentors.

He has senior assistant John Blakey, development boss Gavin Brown, assistants Heath Younie and Jordan Russell, ruck coach Anthony Rocca and development coaches Leigh Adams and Brent Harvey.

Noble has a list of performance KPIs to keep his job, but also behavioural KPIs.

With the list cut so deep and the rebuild so significant he simply must rely on the behavioural standards given the on-field fortunes.

The task is clear for Noble — it is not enough to stop yelling at players, he must unite the entire club and football program behind him.

Former North Melbourne premiership star David King says not many coaches who start the rebuild get to finish them, and right now the fear is that Noble will not be the exception to the rule.
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s**t article. Astronomical offers for pick 1? Where? Brad Scott as the coaching yardstick? Mr 10 years for 50%?

Sounds like the club is chock full of prima donnas. Hope Noble gets legal clearance to start delivering roundhouse and uppercuts.
 
Lomas said:
So Finnigan left after NMFC not matching a three year deal, Luff was on the way out anyway, and they don't even bother to look up the name of the other one.
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They don't want to say Luff wasn't being renewed on merit because it doesn't suit their narrative.
 
DesertRoo said:
Wasn’t willing match a three year offer for a lesser role?
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I'd say 'lukewarm' suggests that after 16 years NMFC were not willing to give him three years in any role. Then his crew, knowing they were gone without him, went the dramatic walk at the same time to salvage some pride.
 
Yay, Ralphy's article says we will have 2 picks in the MSD

"eight days ahead of a mid-season draft where the club will have two selections."
 
King Corey said:
s**t article. Astronomical offers for pick 1? Where? Brad Scott as the coaching yardstick? Mr 10 years for 50%?

Sounds like the club is chock full of prima donnas. Hope Noble gets legal clearance to start delivering roundhouse and uppercuts.
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Worse than s**t imo KC.

Utterly embarrassing article full of mistruths, speculative nonsense and overt negativity.

Pathetic "journalism" (not that i'm surprised at all)
 
Lomas said:
I'd say 'lukewarm' suggests that after 16 years NMFC were not willing to give him three years in any role. Then his crew, knowing they were gone without him, went the dramatic walk at the same time to salvage some pride.
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Certainly sounds like some of them jumped on the front foot and got ahead of the offical press release.
 
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