News NMFC & Tassie (the mass debate re our future there, the academy, attending advice)

[the big lebowski]

If we buy a membership does it really matter if we go to the games or not?

Yes

 

[Engimal v3]

If we buy a membership does it really matter if we go to the games or not?

Absolutely. A few years ago the club wouldn't even break even if we had a crowd below a certain figure.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

Absolutely. A few years ago the club wouldn't even break even if we had a crowd below a certain figure.

If you're a reserve seat member that doesn't show, you should still be counted as attending as part of the crowd.

You have actually purchased a ticket.

 

[Engimal v3]

If you're a reserve seat member that doesn't show, you should still be counted as attending as part of the crowd.

You have actually purchased a ticket.

Still doesn't look good when it's empty

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

Still doesn't look good when it's empty

This is the issue.

Everything is about ‘the look’. The point stand that the figure reported should be ‘tickets sold’ not ‘attendance’.

 

[Engimal v3]

This is the issue.

Everything is about ‘the look’. The point stand that the figure reported should be ‘tickets sold’ not ‘attendance’.

It's not about the look, it's about getting our there and barracking for your team.

 

[Lomas]

It's not about the look, it's about getting our there and barracking for your team.

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Strangely enough, I came here to post that I thought it was about the food and beverage sales at the ground.

 

[Colbys Boots]

Strangely enough, I came here to post that I thought it was about the food and beverage sales at the ground.

Yes exactly - Essendon gets far and away the best deal out of the stadium because they fill the stadium, which in turn provides the stadium with greater profit margins through food and beverages.

 

[hsquid]

So I read the report. I found it really well written overall. I like the way it talks about all the relevant issues one by one. It shows how funding could be found, but it is strong also on the idea that not everything is about money. It approving quotes the AFL purpose to "Progress the game, so that everyone can share in its heritage and possibilities".

But FMD it drives me INSANE that after all of the soft and broad-thinking talk about 'history', 'deserving a club', 'more than money' etc. when it comes to Tasmania, it coldly advocates to relocate a Melbourne club there (or a farcical 'joint venture') without a single reference to the history, culture and loss to the existing supporters that would involve. It's glowing about the "success" of "South Melbourne" from it's move to Sydney (ironically based on it having more money now). Horace's Fitzroy is conveniently unmentioned and overlooked, as is the bullet-dodged from the non-relocation to the Gold Coast. At this point, all the carefully-cultivated aura of gentle common-sense balance goes out the window: It's like they would magically give a team to deserving people without taking it away from anyone else.

The Tasmanian case is pretty simple: Tasmanians “should” have a team if it is about equity for supporters: The money really shouldn't be the issue if long term state gov support is guaranteed. But to get there will be a mess: low rating, uncompetitive games for while, compromised drafts, 19-team comp and the awkward bye. The AFL, the clubs and the national supporters need to decide if it's worth it. Just stop the fantasies about relocation.

 

[shimaburnsgrieg]

BREAKING NEWS

The AFL has agreed a decision on whether a standalone team from Tasmania will enter the league will be made in early 2022, after negotiations between AFL CEO Gillon McLachlan and Tasmanian Premier Peter Gutwein over a timeline were finalised on Tuesday.

The agreement means that Gutwein will roll over the existing contracts with Hawthorn and North Melbourne to play games in Tasmania into 2022.


The decision comes after the Carter Report, released early this month, declared that a standalone team in Tasmania was viable and the AFL should pursue a process towards establishing a team in the state.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

Good.

GTFO of there.

 

[giantroo]

 

[giantroo]

 

[shimaburnsgrieg]

The AFL has agreed that a decision on whether a standalone team from Tasmania will enter the league will be made in early 2022, after negotiations between AFL CEO Gillon McLachlan and Tasmanian Premier Peter Gutwein over a timeline were finalised on Tuesday.
The agreement means that Gutwein will roll over the existing contracts with Hawthorn and North Melbourne to play games in Tasmania into 2022.

The decision comes after the Carter report, released early this month, declared that a standalone team in Tasmania was viable and the AFL should pursue a process towards establishing a team in the state.

The AFL said in a statement that a position for the AFL licence would be put to club presidents in line with the funding model for the AFL industry that is being developed. This model, which determines club funding and the collective bargaining agreement for 2023 and 2024, is expected to be completed in early 2022.

The AFL will still discuss the Carter report with club presidents in September, but is expected to initially model what might be on offer for a relocated team or joint venture to determine whether any club would be interested in pursuing that option, which was outlined in the report. No one expects other clubs to seriously entertain that option.

The league will simultaneously be looking at locking in Tasmanian government support to underwrite a team – either relocated or standalone – and determining its plans for a stadium and sports complex to house a standalone team before being in a position to put a vote to club presidents for expansion.

McLachlan has made it clear Gold Coast will continue in the Queensland market and North Melbourne have made it clear they would not consider relocation to Tasmania.
Gutwein told Tasmanian parliament he hoped a decision on the licence would be made early in the year.


“We now have a timeline for the answer to be given, once and for all, whether or not we have a Tasmanian AFL team,” Gutwein said.

“We are now in a position where we can negotiate one-year rollover deals and finalise those negotiations subject to Hawthorn and North Melbourne being prepared to work with the state to have AFL content on the ground next year.”

 

[Engimal v3]

How exciting!

 

[Reginald0]

I think a possible Master Plan would be 20 teams



could of explained that better
2 conferences a la NFL so 18 home and away, that would be better than current lop sided fixture
top 4 under old Finals system
was thinking best of 3 play off but would take too long

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

The AFL will still discuss the Carter report with club presidents in September, but is expected to initially model what might be on offer for a relocated team or joint venture to determine whether any club would be interested in pursuing that option, which was outlined in the report. No one expects other clubs to seriously entertain that option.

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Classic AFL.

Try and push the outcome they want instead of discussing all possible options.

 

[blackshadow]

“We now have a timeline for the answer to be given, once and for all, whether or not we have a Tasmanian AFL team,” Gutwein said.

The only way they will get a team is if the deluded fool in charge down there is going to commit to hundreds of millions over the next decade and beyond.

The ball is in your court Gutweins.

 

[Sphynx]

I’m torn.

Happy for the Taswegians on here.

But we will lose TT at 26/27 years of age, nothing surer than him being offered an Ablett type offer to spearhead the side.

Talk that it will be in 6 years.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

I’m torn.

Happy for the Taswegians on here.

But we will lose TT at 26/27 years of age, nothing surer than him being offered an Ablett type offer to spearhead the side.

Talk that it will be in 6 years.

As long as he's won three flags by then, good luck to him.

 

[Sphynx]

As long as he's won three flags by then, good luck to him.

And if we haven’t?

He looks our most promising player in 30 years.

Realistic chance we lose him in his prime if this side comes in.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

And if we haven’t?

He looks our most promising player in 30 years.

Realistic chance we lose him in his prime if this side comes in.

Then we lose him and console ourselves with the fact we have Simpkin, LDU, Phillips, Powell and JHF running through he middle all in their primes.

One player doesn't a team make.

 

[Colbys Boots]

I’m torn.

Happy for the Taswegians on here.

But we will lose TT at 26/27 years of age, nothing surer than him being offered an Ablett type offer to spearhead the side.

Talk that it will be in 6 years.

No, we won't lose TT. They will throw money and marketing behind a white boy, while our community programs, social outreach, and leadership in the area of player welfare will be the envy of indigenous footballers all around Australia. TT will retire a one-club champion and premiership hero.

 

[Handsome.B.Wonderful]

Yes exactly - Essendon gets far and away the best deal out of the stadium because they fill the stadium, which in turn provides the stadium with greater profit margins through food and beverages.

Essendon's stadium deal was signed in 2000 for 25 years, it's favourable because Colonial Stadium management wanted to take a big club from the MCG. Essendon's deal means they receive a cut of AFL food, beverage, merchandise and other revenue from games, not just games where Essendon participate.

In contrast, the rest of the clubs were fixtured to play at Docklands and had to scramble to make deals that were not favourable at all. It has been fixed now to ensure that clubs take a minimum of $100k or so but by no means is it a profitable arrangement for North, WB or the Saints.

 

[B4Bear]

And if we haven’t?

He looks our most promising player in 30 years.

Realistic chance we lose him in his prime if this side comes in.

Just remember he was from NSW in the beginning. So there is no guarantee he would head south.