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This definitely applies to "hughesy"Yet to meet an intentionally funny Carlton bloke.
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This definitely applies to "hughesy"Yet to meet an intentionally funny Carlton bloke.
I really want our 11 home games back.The deal was never '7 tassie, 7 home'...it was 7 tassie and 4 home - it has to be as we can only have 11 home games.
We would be 'promised' additional Melbourne replacement games but they would fall away quickly as they would have to in a national competition - ie other clubs are not going to give up home games for us.
Melbourne based supporters would drop off under this scenario (as they already have under the current 4 games in tassie arrangement).
The idea that we can be a little bit pregnant in both Melbourne and Hobart is a poor business model - it may have delivered some short term financial gains but it has hurt the perception of the club long term - we still look needy, uncertain and are open to media gossip like we see now. (The Hawthorn model is not the precedent for us - they have the mug as a home venue and they are so strong financially because of pokies they will never be a candidate for relocation.)
The new CEO needs to deal with this issue quickly - ie a strong announcement that while we love our partnership with Tassie it is at a maximum of 4 games in 2020 and we will look to wind this back to 2 per year over the coming 3 years. He needs to state clearly that we are turning our attention to growing our presence in Melbourne - using our 'inner city' status as the key for a 10 year plan to double membership and get a core 22-25k North supporters to home games in Melbourne.
If we continue to piss around with the 4-7 model we will continue to drift along on the road to no where. We have made a number of off field moves over the past few months - a strong announcement re a reduced Tassie involvement needs to be made pre Xmas.
It was a very loud warning shot that many here chose to believe was just a car back-firing.When I suggested the forced connection with Tassie to get our AFLW team was a concern - a possible early warning sign - I got howled down with 'Why don't you just support our girls.' (I do!)
When I suggested the forced connection with Tassie to get our AFLW team was a concern - a possible early warning sign - I got howled down with 'Why don't you just support our girls.' (I do!)
There are microbes clustered around hydrothermal vents in the Mariana Trench who have more informed views about AFL football.
I mentioned the same and had none other than Pharro hunt me like a fugitive.
Yeah, I'm still watching you.
Yeah, I'm still watching you.
Come on mateLOL at your posts to likes ratio.
That's what you get for not believing in Taylor Garner's recovery.
Can't speak for others but I recall howling a different tune. Our women's and reserves teams exist to support North Melbourne. May as well have been worried about Werribee or the O&MFNL taking over.When I suggested the forced connection with Tassie to get our AFLW team was a concern - a possible early warning sign - I got howled down with 'Why don't you just support our girls.' (I do!)
I don't think Tasmania needs to fail for North to succeed. The more effective we are at delivering elite pathway programs, the more bargaining power we have over particular irksome clauses when the current contract expires. Very plausible both parties go their own way after the 2023 season, that wouldn't necessarily mean the previous five years weren't mutually beneficial.I'm with you on that. Blind Freddy could see that the AFL was pushing the entire club southwards in its decision to split North's AFLW licence.
Ultimately I have reconciled the issue - or perhaps just comforted myself - with the knowledge that Tassie is almost as big a graveyard for professional sport as Gold Coast, and that there's every chance that the North/Tassie AFLW thing will fail, resulting in the licence becoming exclusively North Melbourne. I figure it's better to get the licence and see what the future holds, rather than not get it and see it go to an Essendon or something s**t like that.
Gee when it comes to intellect the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
Hawks and Roos actively working to stop a Tasmanian AFL team
Hawthorn and North Melbourne are actively campaigning against a Tasmanian AFL team through self-interest, an inquiry has been told.
BRETT STUBBS, Sports Editor, Mercury
Subscriber only
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December 3, 2019 4:57pm
HAWTHORN and North Melbourne have become addicted to Tasmanian taxpayer funds and are actively working to deny the state’s entry into the AFL, a parliamentary committee has heard.
The Legislative Council Select Committee Inquiry into AFL in Tasmania has heard from well-respected veteran football broadcaster and Tasmanian Hall of Fame Icon Tim Lane, a long-time supporter of a Tasmanian AFL team, who said such a team was the only hope for the code in the state.
Hawthorn president Jeff Kennett has often raised concerns whether a Tasmanian AFL team was sustainable.
But Mr Lane said both Tasmanian co-tenants, but in particular the Hawks, were unhealthily dependent on the $8.5 million a year they share annually to play four games each in Launceston and Hobart.
“You have two clubs in particular, Hawthorn and North Melbourne, who are profiting from Tasmania and — I think it is fair to say — and happy to lead the charge to keep Tasmania held at arm’s length because it is in their interests not to have a Tasmanian team because that would cost them their sponsorship,” Mr Lane told the committee.
“Hawthorn in particular have been activists in that area of seeking to deny Tasmania its ambition while at the same time raking off lavish sums of Tasmanian money every year.
“Hawthorn have a vested interest in denying Tasmania its right.
“It is the AFL as the central administration which ultimately has the responsibility but there are other forces at work as well.”
A North Melbourne spokesman said the club had a proven record of helping and developing Tasmanian grassroots football and players, while Hawthorn was also contacted for comment.
In his submission, Mr Lane also said it must be a stand-alone Tasmanian team to unify the state, just as football heartland states Western Australia and South Australia had start-up teams, not failed Melbourne clubs relocated to Perth or Adelaide.
He said shared games between Hobart and Launceston would symbolise the state’s unity, with one city hosting six roster games and the other five and the first home final if the state should qualify and then rotating each year.
Mr Lane, who was raised in Devonport and worked in Launceston before moving to Melbourne for work, said the AFL Players Association should have a say in where the team was based, but in his opinion Hobart would be preferable.
“It would be reasonable to expect that there would be infrastructure there, the social circumstances and what have you of the capital city be available to a group of 40 young men coming together to play football there,” he said.
“The idea of putting it into a regional city of lesser population and infrastructure and everything else is something that could be seen to weaken the case.”
Mr Lane also slapped down an anti-state AFL team submission by local sports promoter Richard Welsh who suggested Tasmanians would not switch from current allegiances, saying both West and South Australians embraced their own teams after years of following then-VFL clubs.
He was a big supporter of the Government’s AFL Taskforce but said it was an indictment on football administration in the state that it had to be done by Government as opposed to being championed by the sport’s governing body.
Mr Lane said aside from the economic and social benefits of a Tasmanian AFL team, the AFL also had a moral obligation to introduce a stand-alone side.
“Tasmania is inconvenient to it,” he said.
“I think it feels increasingly uncomfortable and I think that is something that provides some comfort to us that fight this battle that inevitably the AFL is being wedged not just in Tasmania but also in Victoria in particular there are people taking an interest in this case.
“They see the fact in a moral sense it is a no-brainer and in a football sense in many ways it is no-brainer but for the AFL it is uncomfortable.”
Tim Lane feels so passionately about Tasmania he chooses not to live there.
Hawks and Roos actively working to stop a Tasmanian AFL team
Hawthorn and North Melbourne are actively campaigning against a Tasmanian AFL team through self-interest, an inquiry has been told.
BRETT STUBBS, Sports Editor, Mercury
Subscriber only
|
December 3, 2019 4:57pm
HAWTHORN and North Melbourne have become addicted to Tasmanian taxpayer funds and are actively working to deny the state’s entry into the AFL, a parliamentary committee has heard.
The Legislative Council Select Committee Inquiry into AFL in Tasmania has heard from well-respected veteran football broadcaster and Tasmanian Hall of Fame Icon Tim Lane, a long-time supporter of a Tasmanian AFL team, who said such a team was the only hope for the code in the state.
Hawthorn president Jeff Kennett has often raised concerns whether a Tasmanian AFL team was sustainable.
But Mr Lane said both Tasmanian co-tenants, but in particular the Hawks, were unhealthily dependent on the $8.5 million a year they share annually to play four games each in Launceston and Hobart.
“You have two clubs in particular, Hawthorn and North Melbourne, who are profiting from Tasmania and — I think it is fair to say — and happy to lead the charge to keep Tasmania held at arm’s length because it is in their interests not to have a Tasmanian team because that would cost them their sponsorship,” Mr Lane told the committee.
“Hawthorn in particular have been activists in that area of seeking to deny Tasmania its ambition while at the same time raking off lavish sums of Tasmanian money every year.
“Hawthorn have a vested interest in denying Tasmania its right.
“It is the AFL as the central administration which ultimately has the responsibility but there are other forces at work as well.”
A North Melbourne spokesman said the club had a proven record of helping and developing Tasmanian grassroots football and players, while Hawthorn was also contacted for comment.
In his submission, Mr Lane also said it must be a stand-alone Tasmanian team to unify the state, just as football heartland states Western Australia and South Australia had start-up teams, not failed Melbourne clubs relocated to Perth or Adelaide.
He said shared games between Hobart and Launceston would symbolise the state’s unity, with one city hosting six roster games and the other five and the first home final if the state should qualify and then rotating each year.
Mr Lane, who was raised in Devonport and worked in Launceston before moving to Melbourne for work, said the AFL Players Association should have a say in where the team was based, but in his opinion Hobart would be preferable.
“It would be reasonable to expect that there would be infrastructure there, the social circumstances and what have you of the capital city be available to a group of 40 young men coming together to play football there,” he said.
“The idea of putting it into a regional city of lesser population and infrastructure and everything else is something that could be seen to weaken the case.”
Mr Lane also slapped down an anti-state AFL team submission by local sports promoter Richard Welsh who suggested Tasmanians would not switch from current allegiances, saying both West and South Australians embraced their own teams after years of following then-VFL clubs.
He was a big supporter of the Government’s AFL Taskforce but said it was an indictment on football administration in the state that it had to be done by Government as opposed to being championed by the sport’s governing body.
Mr Lane said aside from the economic and social benefits of a Tasmanian AFL team, the AFL also had a moral obligation to introduce a stand-alone side.
“Tasmania is inconvenient to it,” he said.
“I think it feels increasingly uncomfortable and I think that is something that provides some comfort to us that fight this battle that inevitably the AFL is being wedged not just in Tasmania but also in Victoria in particular there are people taking an interest in this case.
“They see the fact in a moral sense it is a no-brainer and in a football sense in many ways it is no-brainer but for the AFL it is uncomfortable.”
Why are they idiots?Watch these idiots shoot themselves in the foot.
You reckon the Rawlings boys, BBB and Ben Buckley aren't passionate Taswegians? Of course they are. They've just had to relocate for education/employment opportunities.
Why are they idiots?
Lane spouting about the economic benefit to tassie is idiotic. He's just spouting idiotic bullshit to get the feels happening.Why are they idiots?
The logic of Tim Lane seems on par with someone well acquainted with the glass BBQ.Yeah i guess Meth doesn't come from trees.
We prefer apples, boring i know.
I love our club BS, but without the equalisation fund, we ain't achieving that turnover either. I reckon we need to show a bit more respect to the football heartland, not take pot shots like the big clubs do to us when they call us minnows.Lane spouting about the economic benefit to tassie is idiotic. He's just spouting idiotic bullshit to get the feels happening.
For the AFL to even consider a Tasmanian team they need to generate revenue of $40-50 million. Nobody who's pushing for a Tasmanian team has ever come up with a plan that can show that type of sustainable revenue. Until that happens the idea of a Tasmanian team remains a grand delusion.