No AFL team for Tasmania, league boss Gillon McLachlan announces

[demontim27]

Lol, you don't know anybody who avoids things because of traffic? I call BS on that - literally everybody I know avoids some things because of traffic/travel time. It's what happens in any huge city with sprawling suburbs and a central CBD. What you're saying is not tested on real people. Melbournians specialise in complaining about traffic. If you don't know that, you aren't talking to anyone. You ever make a trip from Doreen into the city in anything close to peak traffic or on a Saturday? It's eternal and it's getting worse every year as the city grows faster than it can cope with the new burdens of population growth.

Only travel time complaints I hear are from people out my way and not wanting to go for nights on the town as often.
I used to drive from Montrose-cbd or woori-cbd 5-6 days a week, 45-1.5 hours depending on traffic.
Scratch that. Only two blokes I heard complained lived near Eltham and complained about driving to the valley for training. People complain about traffic, but I’ve nwver heard anyone avoiding going out because of it.

The missus used to go straight from aami Park when she finished work at the dees to casey in peak hour (a few players did too) that was the worst drive in Melbourne.

 

[kranky al]

I don’t think this whole “Vic can’t sustain! They have too many teams before tassie had one” works

Last year the averag Melbourne tv audience was 362,000 across FTA and pay tv. You’d need 70% of Tasmania watching each game on average to hit that.

North was the lowest average crowd at home with 22,000 (that’s including games in tas). Which is more than the capacity of a tas stadium.

Ref tv audience - if collingwood play the <insert tas team here > there will be more viewers than if collingwood play melbourne.

 

[demontim27]

Ref tv audience - if collingwood play the <insert tas team here > there will be more viewers than if collingwood play melbourne.

We play on qbd. It’s one of the biggest viewing games of the year...

You know you don’t have a point when you need to start referencing team of support.

 

[Tasmanian saint]

Just can't see them attracting or keeping top stars.

I find it comical how people keep bringing up the retention of players issue with a tassie team what clubs have the biggest issue retaining players Brisbane Gold Coast and to a lesser extent gws does that tell you anything?

 

[Aussie in exile]

AFL put about $25 million a year into the Suns and they appear to be going nowhere.
Surely that money could be better spend elsewhere.

 

[madmug]

I find it comical how people keep bringing up the retention of players issue with a tassie team what clubs have the biggest issue retaining players Brisbane Gold Coast and to a lesser extent gws does that tell you anything?

The retention thing is interesting. I guess lifestyle, family, partners, mates all have an effect to some extent.

Club culture is clearly one of those factors. Brisbane had no problem when they were winning. They've clearly had problems since. I think Coach Fagan is having a positive effect now. GC seemed to have a poor culture since the start. Player behavior was poor for quite some time. Maybe that'll wash out soon. Maybe just living in a non footy area has a negative effect too?

North Melbourne cant seem to get anyone despite the huge sums they're reported to be throwing around, & they're in the centre of the football universe!!.

 

[kranky al]

It has roughly the same population size as when Gold Coast was granted a team, and is now in the midst of a population boom.

And more importantly has the overwhelming majority of its population afl supporters who will love their own team and support it through thick and thin.

 

[kranky al]

The retention thing is interesting. I guess lifestyle, family, partners, mates all have an effect to some extent.

Club culture is clearly one of those factors. Brisbane had no problem when they were winning. They've clearly had problems since. I think Coach Fagan is having a positive effect now. GC seemed to have a poor culture since the start. Player behavior was poor for quite some time. Maybe that'll wash out soon. Maybe just living in a non footy area has a negative effect too?

North Melbourne cant seem to get anyone despite the huge sums they're reported to be throwing around, & they're in the centre of the football universe!!.

It affected our choices of draft picks at the eagles for sure

We are more likely to take a melbourne country player or a south ozzy than a vic city kid because perth is the big city / shining lights to them.

 

[madmug]

And more importantly has the overwhelming majority of its population afl supporters who will love their own team and support it through thick and thin.

Yes but remember that actually liking the game counts against us.

So the AFL's plan for a Tassie team must work like this,

1) Destroy the local game.

2) Get the locals to hate AR.

3) Get the locals to hate the AFL

4) Start a new team & spend $millions supporting it. Even when no one turns up.

 

[Wacko23Jacko]

It makes me laugh when people go on about how much more exciting Melbourne is - when most people don't even do 1% of all the things they would list as superior attractions. Most people stick to their routines and spend most of their time at home or within half an hour of their home. Melbourne's traffic makes most of its attractions unreachable unless you are happy to spend hours in traffic to get to them. People can label a place like Hobart boring, but it's like using Champion Data to prove a point - it means nothing if Melbourne has 10,000 great attractions if you don't get to them. Hobart has attractions too - but you can actually get to them with no trouble. Traffic and overcrowding is not a problem there. It makes it a better city for participation because people aren't just sitting at home thinking about how hard it is to get to everything like it Melbourne. Sure, there are some great things in Melbourne that Hobart can't beat: Zoos, Sporting events, Rock Concerts etc. But you can still go to those things if you plan a trip for them. The rest of the year, you can do more on a daily basis because you aren't frustrated with traffic - which ultimately reduces what you do. There's enough going on in Hobart to have an interesting life. Melbourne drinks its own bathwater with its "most liveable city" crap. It aint all that. In fact, I'm leaving and moving to Hobart soon...

While I disagree with the crap about the bathwater and the traffic etc being unliveable blah blah, I will agree with a lot of what you have said. It is inherently modern human to think that way though.. we do it with everything.

Need a new car? Boy I love getting out on the trails and camping, every 36 months when we get away for one weekend it's the best - thank god for my 4WD. you'd be better off driving a Suzuki Swift around town and spending the savings on a 6 Wheeled Adventure Monster truck for 1-2 weekends a year than driving a 4WD for the odd occasion you actually get to use it. Same thing with where you live too. I'd take living a little further out of town and enjoying the healthier lifestyle of being out of the stress hustle and bustle if work permitted it, as much as I like Melbourne. The reality is that the amount of time we spend at events and attractions (even if you go out and about every weekend) you can easily make up for the extra 1-2 hours travel each way by living a slower and healthier life in clean air outside the city - no matter what your interests. Using that as an excuse to not live somewhere is a bit of a cop out. There's always SOMETHING to do in every place.

 

[madmug]

While I disagree with the crap about the bathwater and the traffic etc being unliveable blah blah, I will agree with a lot of what you have said. It is inherently modern human to think that way though.. we do it with everything.

Need a new car? Boy I love getting out on the trails and camping, every 36 months when we get away for one weekend it's the best - thank god for my 4WD. you'd be better off driving a Suzuki Swift around town and spending the savings on a 6 Wheeled Adventure Monster truck for 1-2 weekends a year than driving a 4WD for the odd occasion you actually get to use it. Same thing with where you live too. I'd take living a little further out of town and enjoying the healthier lifestyle of being out of the stress hustle and bustle if work permitted it, as much as I like Melbourne. The reality is that the amount of time we spend at events and attractions (even if you go out and about every weekend) you can easily make up for the extra 1-2 hours travel each way by living a slower and healthier life in clean air outside the city - no matter what your interests. Using that as an excuse to not live somewhere is a bit of a cop out. There's always SOMETHING to do in every place.

Having a rosey eyed view that 'your' patch of earth is where its at, & other places have 'nothing' is pretty parochial & ignorant. All places have pluses & minuses to them. Hobart isn't the best place on earth but it has a good lifestyle mix of city & town. Close access to beut countryside, hunting, fishing (frech & salt) & very good surf beaches. You'll need a good 4mil+ wet suit though. i love the waterfront area here, Salamanca etc.Also Mona for something completely different. Its not far to other areas, Huon Valley, river & mountain views etc etc. So for me its a much more relaxed lifestyle.

I've lived & worked in various places, including Sydney & Melbourne, I prefer a week in Sydney. Melbourne has the footy, but apart from that I prefer Sydney. Especially the beaches, Circular quay, Darling harbour, ferries, blue mountains etc. But I wouldn't live their unless I had to. Like Melbourne, its getting too crowded. I have family in Melbourne. They always tell me that. They shop at Chadstone. They rarely go to the CBD for anything. Footy is a regular outing for 2 of them, the other 3 rarely go (A mixture of Melbn, Tiger & Pie supporters). Holiday for them means going to the airport & come back here.

A lot of people are taking that tree & sea change. Cashing in their houses capital gain & getting out. The big cities are changing their social & cultural mix faster than the rest of the country.

So lifestyle is up to what you like & can or can't afford. So 'other places' have appeal too.

 

[kranky al]

We play on qbd. It’s one of the biggest viewing games of the year...

You know you don’t have a point when you need to start referencing team of support.

Yeah because collingwood are playing - not because melbourne are playing

And if they were playing a tassie team you would get a heap more

 

[demontim27]

Yeah because collingwood are playing - not because melbourne are playing

And if they were playing a tassie team you would get a heap more

More because it’s a large event...

I’m not even against a tas side. So I’m not sure why my team of support vs tas is relevant. Unless you’re advocating to remove Melbourne for Tasmania?

 

[madmug]

More because it’s a large event...

I’m not even against a tas side. So I’m not sure why my team of support vs tas is relevant. Unless you’re advocating to remove Melbourne for Tasmania?

Well we've got snow on the highlands & at least one place to take the Range Rover & go skiing.

 

[kranky al]

More because it’s a large event...

I’m not even against a tas side. So I’m not sure why my team of support vs tas is relevant. Unless you’re advocating to remove Melbourne for Tasmania?

Im advocating that vic teams are off the drip - the strong survive the weak dont

Should have been done a looong time ago - if these multitude of fans that its so important the afl not alienate are really there they will rattle tins and the club will survive

If they arent or really dont gaf the club wont.

 

[demontim27]

Im advocating that vic teams are off the drip - the strong survive the weak dont

Should have been done a looong time ago - if these multitude of fans that its so important the afl not alienate are really there they will rattle tins and the club will survive

If they arent or really dont gaf the club wont.

So only Vic clubs aren’t allowed handouts?

 

[kranky al]

So only Vic clubs aren’t allowed handouts?

Nope - no handouts for wc, freo, port, ad, and vic clubs

A loan can be made and repaid if there is something out of the ordinary to crop up.... but no more drip.

You keep telling us that theres a metric fuxtonne of you will leave footy if your team folds - thats great - if your team looks like folding - let them save it if its important.

Carlton was broke and they rattled tins - s**t carlton are important enough in the scheme of things that joffa rattled a tin for them - you have to have someone to hate right?

You guys had gutnick chip in - thats what its got to be - fans that care

 

[demontim27]

Nope - no handouts for wc, freo, port, ad, and vic clubs

A loan can be made and repaid if there is something out of the ordinary to crop up.... but no more drip.

You keep telling us that theres a metric fuxtonne of you will leave footy if your team folds - thats great - if your team looks like folding - let them save it if its important.

Carlton was broke and they rattled tins - s**t carlton are important enough in the scheme of things that joffa rattled a tin for them - you have to have someone to hate right?

You guys had gutnick chip in - thats what its got to be - fans that care

So you’re saying fans have done it? But don’t believe these fans exist to do it?

And you constantly refer to no more Vic handouts, but actually mean no more handouts.

What a strange way to write things.

Although, why do the nsw and qld clubs get a free pass?

 

[Snake_Baker]

I chopped out all the crap and addressed the only point that matters.

There is now developing overwhelming, unified, political pressure (following the recent pro Tas. comments of PM M. Turnbull & Opposition Leader B. Shorten, & the Federal & State LNP & ALP) for Tasmania to have its own self-funded AFL team (ie ongoing AFL funding no greater than Vic., WA, SA Clubs).
If the AFL defies this widespread political & public support for a Tas. AFL team (which will be unrelenting, & may become more intense if there is no timetable/KPI), the AFL will expose itself to VERY unfavourable actions by the Federal LNP & ALP; & Tas. LNP & ALP. Do you disagree -if so, on what basis?

BULLSHIT!

Where's the money? Where's the long term planning?

Generic parochial political drivel = NOUGHT

 

[BobbyMorri]

I chopped out all the crap and addressed the only point that matters.



BULLSHIT!

Where's the money? Where's the long term planning?

Generic parochial political drivel = NOUGHT

What do you want them to do .Tax the AFL till tassie gets a team.

they can't plan for anything because there is no team. That is why there is no money directly(outside of Shorten) to an AFL team. You are a fool if you didn't think the Tassie government wouldn't get directly involved if we got a team, ala Hawthorn.

But some money has already come if that is what you are asking. York Park was built solely for AFL. Our city councils are very supportive of AFL being played in their stadiums and the rent would be non-existent. And of course, our state governments have lead the bids for an AFL team.

 

[kranky al]

So you’re saying fans have done it? But don’t believe these fans exist to do it?

Im saying carlton fans have done it - you say you and the other vic minnow fans are worth soooo much to the tv rights deal - im saying prove it. Next time you are broke - lets see the fans pull you out of the s**t like carlton AND collingwood fans did.

And you constantly refer to no more Vic handouts, but actually mean no more handouts.

What a strange way to write things.

You asked me if it just meant vic clubs - i clarified.

Although, why do the nsw and qld clubs get a free pass?

Are you simple?

 

[Benny78]

Surely Geelong (200,000) have more people in one place than the entire state of Tasmania (515,000)

Shouldn't they get their own football team before Tasmania?

 

[kranky al]

Surely Geelong (200,000) have more people in one place than the entire state of Tasmania (515,000)

Shouldn't they get their own football team before Tasmania?

Victory

Humiliation.

 

[Ando727]

Surely Geelong (200,000) have more people in one place than the entire state of Tasmania (515,000)

Shouldn't they get their own football team before Tasmania?

Except Hobart has 30,000 more people than Geelong. So Hobart should have got its own team in 1858. Or just revoke Geelong's licence and give it to Hobart. Not sure if they'll accept a transplanted Geelong team...

 

[Snake_Baker]

What do you want them to do .Tax the AFL till tassie gets a team.

This is seriously perverse logic.