No Changes For Old Men vs Gold Coast Suns: GLOBAL WARMING EDITION

What changes will be made?

  • Douglas is GONE GONE GONE

    Votes: 79 79.8%
  • Mackay is dropped

    Votes: 60 60.6%
  • Gallucci out with concussion

    Votes: 70 70.7%
  • Eddie Betts is out

    Votes: 35 35.4%
  • Paul Seedsman is omitted

    Votes: 8 8.1%
  • Tom Lynch comes in

    Votes: 57 57.6%
  • Chayce Jones gets a call-up!

    Votes: 68 68.7%
  • Ned McHenry gets a debut

    Votes: 26 26.3%
  • The Fog plays in the firsts!

    Votes: 33 33.3%
  • TYson Stengle debuts!

    Votes: 57 57.6%

  • Total voters
    99
  • Poll closed .

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Dudersaurus

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Love our ‘dads army ‘ emergencies ffs
Overall, I'm not too fussed with older emergencies, especially away games.

Younger kids should either be in the starting 22 or out and playing elsewhere. To be named emergency and sit out a week of footy (and no, running laps after the game doesn't do future selection chances any good), or fly interstate before a game to play straight off the plane doesn't do them any good for their game performance or development.

An older player should be better able to cope with being an emergency and if they miss a week, there is enough body of work to know what they offer.

That said, my main point is name the youth in the 22, and have older guys for 'break glass' emergencies.
 

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I’m tending to disagreement on that point.

We seem to develop to the point of winning a position at AFL level, but they stagnate, even our high end players.

Sloane has only ever won 1 AA selection, same as Smith. I’d wager M Crouch won’t win any more.

Laird has fallen off a cliff.

I haven’t checked but I’d reckon Sloane and M Crouch are our only midfield AA selections since the Roo, Goodwin and McLeod days. Maybe Thommo, can’t recall.

It’s pretty ordinary for such a long time. DT/Laird our only dual AA for well over a decade I reckon.

We think they’re stars but in reality it’s all pretty average.

Gallucci will shine in a better program
Thats very true, my point being where do we draft these guys from ?? We havent had access to the best midfield talent in a very long time so its hard to tell
 

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I’m tending to disagreement on that point.

We seem to develop to the point of winning a position at AFL level, but they stagnate, even our high end players.

Sloane has only ever won 1 AA selection, same as Smith. I’d wager M Crouch won’t win any more.

Laird has fallen off a cliff.

I haven’t checked but I’d reckon Sloane and M Crouch are our only midfield AA selections since the Roo, Goodwin and McLeod days. Maybe Thommo, can’t recall.

It’s pretty ordinary for such a long time. DT/Laird our only dual AA for well over a decade I reckon.

We think they’re stars but in reality it’s all pretty average.

Gallucci will shine in a better program
Yes, I think our current footy program is vastly overrated.

You could count on one hand the guys who have improved this year. The team direction as a whole is lacking, the coaching staff paper thin in terms of quality.
 

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I’m tending to disagreement on that point.

We seem to develop to the point of winning a position at AFL level, but they stagnate, even our high end players.

Sloane has only ever won 1 AA selection, same as Smith. I’d wager M Crouch won’t win any more.

Laird has fallen off a cliff.

I haven’t checked but I’d reckon Sloane and M Crouch are our only midfield AA selections since the Roo, Goodwin and McLeod days. Maybe Thommo, can’t recall.

It’s pretty ordinary for such a long time. DT/Laird our only dual AA for well over a decade I reckon.

We think they’re stars but in reality it’s all pretty average.

Gallucci will shine in a better program
Thompson was AA in 2012 and of course Dangerfield was a 2xAA with us as well
 

Samcro24

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I’m tending to disagreement on that point.

We seem to develop to the point of winning a position at AFL level, but they stagnate, even our high end players.

Sloane has only ever won 1 AA selection, same as Smith. I’d wager M Crouch won’t win any more.

Laird has fallen off a cliff.

I haven’t checked but I’d reckon Sloane and M Crouch are our only midfield AA selections since the Roo, Goodwin and McLeod days. Maybe Thommo, can’t recall.

It’s pretty ordinary for such a long time. DT/Laird our only dual AA for well over a decade I reckon.

We think they’re stars but in reality it’s all pretty average.

Gallucci will shine in a better program
I think thats right.

It gets distorted by the fact that we regularly bring players in and they do ok. Greenwood, Keath. Doedee when Lever leaves. ''Wow, Adelaide just keep finding players.''

You're right though, it's just good average players playing their role in a system. They do seem to stagnate or drop off, they dont go to the next level.
 

Peter J

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Thats very true, my point being where do we draft these guys from ?? We havent had access to the best midfield talent in a very long time so its hard to tell
I don’t think that’s the issue at all. Look at Henderson and Cameron. Players we developed to best 22 from the rookie list. Both showed signs here and there.

Get them to Hawthorn, or suedo Hawthorn (Fagan at Bris) and suddenly they are AA squad players.

Hell even Shaun McKernan has gone from no career to carving out a career with ESS.

It’s fortunate MMcG went to Carlton who are worse than us
 

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Jenkins has a bad match after returning from injury and aggregating his knee in the first 5 minutes and he is “next in line” to be dropped. Yet his form before injury was good. FMD :rolleyes:
If you're picked in the 22 you need to be fit and ready to go. If he was rushed back too soon then that's on Jenkins as well as our fitness team. If you can't contribute then stay the fu** out of the team. I'm judging Jenkins on his performance thinking that he is fully fit and ready to go. None of this aw poor JJ still has a sore knee, lets just accept his invisable showdown display.
 

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Dreadful ?? Spare me.
There was a passage of play last week (first quarter I think), where he had a dead cert 20 metres out in general play but had no left foot.

I had visions of 200 games more of that bulls**t, like we’ve had to put up with from Douglas and Mackay.

Here’s a memo to any kid aspiring to be an AFL player, especially if you’re a small player and even more especially if you don’t have Charlie Cameron-esque speed.

LEARN HOW TO KICK AND HANDBALL ON YOUR OPPOSITE SIDE OR YOU ARE NOT WORTH A PINCH OF s**t TO ANYBODY.
 

Slippery Pete

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I’m tending to disagreement on that point.

We seem to develop to the point of winning a position at AFL level, but they stagnate, even our high end players.

Sloane has only ever won 1 AA selection, same as Smith. I’d wager M Crouch won’t win any more.

Laird has fallen off a cliff.

I haven’t checked but I’d reckon Sloane and M Crouch are our only midfield AA selections since the Roo, Goodwin and McLeod days. Maybe Thommo, can’t recall.

It’s pretty ordinary for such a long time. DT/Laird our only dual AA for well over a decade I reckon.

We think they’re stars but in reality it’s all pretty average.

Gallucci will shine in a better program
Remember how Roo started off as an All Australian (94 I think) and then had those two years under Shaw where he went backwards and was almost a liability.

Then from Blight onwards became one of the greatest players of all time.

A bad program or s**t mentors can fu** you up badly.
 

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There was a passage of play last week (first quarter I think), where he had a dead cert 20 metres out in general play but had no left foot.

I had visions of 200 games more of that bulls**t, like we’ve had to put up with from Douglas and Mackay.

Here’s a memo to any kid aspiring to be an AFL player, especially if you’re a small player and even more especially if you don’t have Charlie Cameron-esque speed.

LEARN HOW TO KICK AND HANDBALL ON YOUR OPPOSITE SIDE OR YOU ARE NOT WORTH A PINCH OF s**t TO ANYBODY.
I must admit I yelled the same thing, because he does actually hit neat left foot passes from time to time.
 

Slippery Pete

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I must admit I yelled the same thing, because he does actually hit neat left foot passes from time to time.
So does Douglas, but it’s the exception. They aren’t comfortable running onto that side and can’t do it under pressure.

Imagine Betts without his left. He’d be approximately half the player he is. It is THAT important for a small player.
 

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I think thats right.

It gets distorted by the fact that we regularly bring players in and they do ok. Greenwood, Keath. Doedee when Lever leaves. ''Wow, Adelaide just keep finding players.''

You're right though, it's just good average players playing their role in a system. They do seem to stagnate or drop off, they dont go to the next level.
I agree. The current AFL rankings for our "good average players" are:

Sloan - 14th (tagged out of existence)
Greenwood - 36th (body is stuffed)
Lynch - 66th (can't get on the field)
MCrouch - 72nd (not a match winner)
Laird - 86th (changed role this year given rule changes)
Jacobs - 98th (can't get on the field)

Other rankings dont matter.

Cogs in a wheel I am afraid to say.
 

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I'm going to choose to focus on the positive. Douglas out and Stengle in. 2 things i've been banging the drum about all year, so at least there is that!

I'm not sure why I or anyone for that matter expected any more then this from our conservative selection committee. They would have had to have a short, honest and slightly uncomfortable conversation with player in his 30's... I'm surprised they were man enough to do it once this week, let alone 2-3 times!

I bet Campo cried in the shower for 40 mins after telling Dougy
 

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There was a passage of play last week (first quarter I think), where he had a dead cert 20 metres out in general play but had no left foot.

I had visions of 200 games more of that bulls**t, like we’ve had to put up with from Douglas and Mackay.

Here’s a memo to any kid aspiring to be an AFL player, especially if you’re a small player and even more especially if you don’t have Charlie Cameron-esque speed.

LEARN HOW TO KICK AND HANDBALL ON YOUR OPPOSITE SIDE OR YOU ARE NOT WORTH A PINCH OF s**t TO ANYBODY.
The fact the we’re playing still Mackay ahead of a guy we gave up first round draft picks for in 2017 tells you everything you need to know about our team selection panel.


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If you're picked in the 22 you need to be fit and ready to go. If he was rushed back too soon then that's on Jenkins as well as our fitness team. If you can't contribute then stay the fu** out of the team. I'm judging Jenkins on his performance thinking that he is fully fit and ready to go. None of this aw poor JJ still has a sore knee, lets just accept his invisable showdown display.
It’s not ‘aw poor Jenkins’, it is a realisation that players can’t just flick a switch and instantly perform and that there can be extenuating circumstances to a performance such as an in game injury.

One performance hardly makes a pattern and people going off and making earlier call do more to confirm their biases over objectivity.
 

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To look back and think what could have been...

Far ot that makes you a little sad, we had such good spread and run from the backline to the forwards and now thats non existent, we were so confident and willing to take a risk that paid off more often than not due to the confidence and spread, what the hell happened!! How did we not win that GF the way we were playing :(
 

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Overall, I'm not too fussed with older emergencies, especially away games.

Younger kids should either be in the starting 22 or out and playing elsewhere. To be named emergency and sit out a week of footy (and no, running laps after the game doesn't do future selection chances any good), or fly interstate before a game to play straight off the plane doesn't do them any good for their game performance or development.

An older player should be better able to cope with being an emergency and if they miss a week, there is enough body of work to know what they offer.

That said, my main point is name the youth in the 22, and have older guys for 'break glass' emergencies.
Fair call

Posters don't understand developing is probably far more important in a development team and playing every week

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marty36

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I don’t think that’s the issue at all. Look at Henderson and Cameron. Players we developed to best 22 from the rookie list. Both showed signs here and there.

Get them to Hawthorn, or suedo Hawthorn (Fagan at Bris) and suddenly they are AA squad players.

Hell even Shaun McKernan has gone from no career to carving out a career with ESS.

It’s fortunate MMcG went to Carlton who are worse than us
Umm it goes both ways

JJ sauce lynch even Betts has improved at the AFC

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marty36

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I think thats right.

It gets distorted by the fact that we regularly bring players in and they do ok. Greenwood, Keath. Doedee when Lever leaves. ''Wow, Adelaide just keep finding players.''

You're right though, it's just good average players playing their role in a system. They do seem to stagnate or drop off, they dont go to the next level.
Most AFC fans get all excited over good honest players we clearly need some match winners

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Then why recruit him?
For the same reason, they recruited and kept CEY on our list, Remember when he was getting 40plus disposals in a SANFL and most called for his inclusion, yet limited AFL exposure, now if CEY played SANFL he would be lucky to get 30 disposals, Why he has changed his game to allow him to be a solid AFL player. Wilson going thru the same he developing is he worth another year to me that up to the development team who have a better picture than we do.
 

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If Gallucci was going to be in the 22 as a half forward, he should've been in the mid rotation as well to mix things up. This may have helped him get involved more as well.
From memory, this was part of the reason his form really picked up last year. He was given midfield minutes. This year, not so much.
 
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