No Changes For Old Men vs Gold Coast Suns: GLOBAL WARMING EDITION

What changes will be made?

  • Douglas is GONE GONE GONE

    Votes: 79 79.8%
  • Mackay is dropped

    Votes: 60 60.6%
  • Gallucci out with concussion

    Votes: 70 70.7%
  • Eddie Betts is out

    Votes: 35 35.4%
  • Paul Seedsman is omitted

    Votes: 8 8.1%
  • Tom Lynch comes in

    Votes: 57 57.6%
  • Chayce Jones gets a call-up!

    Votes: 68 68.7%
  • Ned McHenry gets a debut

    Votes: 26 26.3%
  • The Fog plays in the firsts!

    Votes: 33 33.3%
  • TYson Stengle debuts!

    Votes: 57 57.6%

  • Total voters
    99
  • Poll closed .

WetCrow1991

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I wonder how much ground John Noble covered tonight. Looked like he was still running hard in the last quarter. Never been in a professional system until a couple of weeks ago.

It's almost like our terrible running statistics come from a lack of intensity and stagnant crap game plan and that good teams don't need to spend multiple years building up a player's endurance tank before they can integrate him into their system.
So you're telling me that the club that has failed in pretty much every single clutch moment since 1998, is doing it wrong? I am shocked, completely shocked.
 

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James_37

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And how the hell is Greenwood still struggling.
Burton and Hass run our fitness department, what more should we expect? They’re collective experience prior to coming to our club involved running the fitness department in a woeful Brisbane Lions outfit for a few years. In fact we pi**ed off a guy who had us in great shape whom had a broad range of experiences in Australia and outside of Australia, so that Roo’s mate Burton could have a high Performance manager role...
 

WetCrow1991

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Burton and Hass run our fitness department, what more should we expect? They’re collective experience prior to coming to our club involved running the fitness department in a woeful Brisbane Lions outfit for a few years. In fact we pi**ed off a guy who had us in great shape whom had a broad range of experiences in Australia and outside of Australia, so that Roo’s mate Burton could have a high Performance manager role...
But why would we want to keep a guy who is now Physical Performance Manager at GWS, a guy with a PhD in exercise Science? When we could get Burton, a guy who did human movement at UniSA from 1997-2005 and still hasn't updated his Linkedin to say he works for the Crows and not the Lions.

A guy who has worked hard, who has worked his way up and continued to learn and re-learn vs a guy who took 8 years to finish a degree 14 years ago and got handed two plumb jobs because he played AFL. Nah, no boys club at the Crows.
 
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Burton and Hass run our fitness department, what more should we expect? They’re collective experience prior to coming to our club involved running the fitness department in a woeful Brisbane Lions outfit for a few years. In fact we pi**ed off a guy who had us in great shape whom had a broad range of experiences in Australia and outside of Australia, so that Roo’s mate Burton could have a high Performance manager role...
So where does Steve Saunders fit in the scheme of things since coming on board then?

Seems to have plenty to say re the players injuries/fitness etc.

His position is classed as Science and Medical Coordinator for the Adelaide Football Club in his bio?

 

Simmo28

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Once again, the problem with this is the assumption that the young players will not contribute to the same level as the senior players.

Douglas has been s**t all year - I'm sure Jones could provide 14 mediocre touches a week.

Mackay has been s**t for years - how does his output this season compare to Galluci?


We do not weaken our side by playing young talent instead of mediocre club men.
Yep can see that point. It’s reality though that a first year player will struggle to play 23 matches.


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James_37

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So where does Steve Saunders fit in the scheme of things since coming on board then?

Seems to have plenty to say re the players injuries/fitness etc.

His position is classed as Science and Medical Coordinator for the Adelaide Football Club in his bio?

Ah yes, the one ace Burton had up his sleeve to come and salvage the wreck that he had created, he just happened to be good mates with Steve Saunders, who’s special injury prevention program we invested heavily in just happened to require his special touch to get it to work properly and also happened to land in our laps give he was coming back to Adelaide anyway I believe.

Also Saunders is primarily injury prevention, not so much the pure fitness/conditioning of elite athletes. Certainly he has a role in this and given how bad our hamstring epidemic had gotten it’d be no surprise if he’d essentially taken over the whole area.
 

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SaltPeter

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Ah yes, the one ace Burton had up his sleeve to come and salvage the wreck that he had created, he just happened to be good mates with Steve Saunders, who’s special injury prevention program we invested heavily in just happened to require his special touch to get it to work properly and also happened to land in our laps give he was coming back to Adelaide anyway I believe.

Also Saunders is primarily injury prevention, not so much the pure fitness/conditioning of elite athletes. Certainly he has a role in this and given how bad our hamstring epidemic had gotten it’d be no surprise if he’d essentially taken over the whole area.
Saunders was already in Adelaide. A number of players including Brad Crouch were seeing him privately in 2018.

As were a lot of players including Rucciuto before Saudners left his practice in Adelaide to take up a role with North Melbourne
 

jenny61_99

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Was ROB injured? Any player who is injured is never forced to stay on the field. Not in this day and age. I get the feeling you are spreading the mayo again

They kept it hush hush then - from the afl website

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Key back Daniel Talia hobbled off the ground with a suspected right ankle injury early in the second quarter, but returned after having it strapped. Forward Jordan Gallucci also got medical attention in the second quarter with a concussion and didn't play any further part in the game. Defender Alex Keath was involved in a collision and came off the ground. He came back on, but again went to the bench soon after for treatment. Keath returned to the game in the last quarter.
Did you watch the game? JJ clearly got hurt in that clash but stayed on. I’m sure he chose to stay on, though, rather than being forced.
 

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Have a look at our kids playing SANFL. They either midgets or skinny as a rake. This is all on Pyke. He has to go.
How ??

Last year we drafted smaller, quicker, more skillful players who are all very good kicks of the footy.

Before that we drafted a whole heap of KPP options, you only have to look at the side of our SANFL forwardline to see that.

And they're top of the ladder......
 

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My belief is that our fitness is fine.

It doesn't translate into game day results though because our list is hugely complacent. There is no pressure for spots whatsoever. Why bother running hard or putting in effort? You'll just get selected next week anyway. So do some token jogging, adhere to the running patterns and don't bother going hard. Because nothing will happen if you don't.
 

texas_ranger

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You can add him to the list of every sub-50 game player we've had recently.

Milera - shuffled all over the park
Doedee - didn't play for 2 years despite being clearly ready
Fogarty - played him in defence
Gallucci - graveyard role
Jones - graveyard role
Poholke - dominates midfield at SANFL level, plays AFL as a forward
Davis - one game then dropped
O'Brien - can't get a game with Sauce on one leg for years

The cases you can make for good management are maybe Murphy and Himmelberg

How can you claim that Doedee was clearly ready? spent majority of his first 2 years injured?
Milera is now going well and is finding a niche role as a swingman which is something we clearly need
Gallucci is playing half fwd because he clearly isnt good enough in the contest to play midfield consistently at AFL level yet.
Fogarty himself has said playing down back was a useful learning tool for improving his leading patterns
ROB was nowhere near as fit as he is now, had a big offseason which has clearly helped

Don't think you can claim the Crows management of young players has been poor given our success in the lower half of the draft
 

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Saunders was already in Adelaide. A number of players including Brad Crouch were seeing him privately in 2018.

As were a lot of players including Rucciuto before Saudners left his practice in Adelaide to take up a role with North Melbourne
Knew he’d come back recently, wasn’t sure of exact time frame. Very devisive character from what I understand, similar to Burton, although he actually had some decent qualifications/experience in his area. Kangatech is effectively designed such that he’s the only one who can use it properly is my understanding, hence we had to bring him on staff to oversee his program which we’d invested heavily in. Seems to have cleaned up our hamstring issues in doing so which is a good start.

But yeah, getting him on board had hardly been a case of us searching far and wide for the best person, simply a case of a mate of Burtons happening to already be in Adelaide, we got a bit lucky there...
 

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How can you claim that Doedee was clearly ready? spent majority of his first 2 years injured?
Milera is now going well and is finding a niche role as a swingman which is something we clearly need
Gallucci is playing half fwd because he clearly isnt good enough in the contest to play midfield consistently at AFL level yet.
Fogarty himself has said playing down back was a useful learning tool for improving his leading patterns
ROB was nowhere near as fit as he is now, had a big offseason which has clearly helped

Don't think you can claim the Crows management of young players has been poor given our success in the lower half of the draft
Doedee played 33 SANFL games in his first two years and was absolutely dominating in 2017
Milera played much better last year in his consistent half back role rather than this year all over the park
How do we know Gallucci isn't good enough in the contest? We don't play him there
Fogarty's stint in defense has done nothing for his ability as a forward as shown by his SANFL performances
O'Brien was clearly fit enough to ruck at AFL level when he played his first matches in 2016

I think we draft players extremely well. Elite at identifying talent. But we stuff them around.
 
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