Preview No Changes vs Saints

[Tex200]

We get on here and complain about players shitting their pants under pressure. We can see it plain as day. Sando tidies up the language in the media and we slam him for it. It's not like the opposition can't see it just like we can. What would be worse is if he came out and made up lies and denied there was a problem. We'd be all up in arms saying "He doesn't know what the **** he's talking about."

We are playing shit football. No matter what Sando says is not going to be received well. Damned if he does damned if he doesn't.

Sorry disagree - don't think it's necessary to come out saying our anxiety levels are affecting not only our decision making, but our willingness to go and get the ball.

Then saying we are not playing as a team and that's a mentality thing.

It's not hard to read between the lines - you barely have to do that.

 

[Wood_Duck]

Sorry disagree - don't think it's necessary to come out saying our anxiety levels are affecting not only our decision making, but our willingness to go and get the ball.

Then saying we are not playing as a team and that's a mentality thing.

It's not hard to read between the lines - you barely have to do that.

Its very normal coach speak. Think you need to get out more.

 

[Tex200]

Its very normal coach speak. Think you need to get out more.

Happy to concede the point if you can show me where another coach has been dribbling this kind of stuff in the media?

 

[DangerSloane]

Watched the 2nd quarter last night when I got home.

Pods was terrific.
I cant believe anyone is still on his back...I know it was only a quarter, but he took a couple of contested marks, two crunching tackles that turned the ball over, gave a contest time after time and busted tackles to give the ball to grigg for a goal.

 

[Wood_Duck]

Happy to concede the point if you can show me where another coach has been dribbling this kind of stuff in the media?

The ox is slow but the earth is patient.

 

[Mattrox]

Happy to concede the point if you can show me where another coach has been dribbling this kind of stuff in the media?

Malthouse has come out and said the Carlton list is substandard and needs an overhaul. That's got to endear him to the players he his coaching and demeaning, doesn't it. He's telling the truth but is "giving opposition ammunition".

 

[Wood_Duck]

Malthouse has come out and said the Carlton list is substandard and needs an overhaul. That's got to endear him to the players he his coaching and demeaning, doesn't it. He's telling the truth but is "giving opposition ammunition".

Every coach talks crap to the press. Its not even worth arguing about.

 

[knobby]

And the same query still applies, it's not that difficult a concept for you and Wood Duck to grasp . The first 3 you named are in for a potential promotion to the afl having not played last week. The last 3 all played in the afl team last week and are in for a possible demotion to the vfl. The argument isn't about honesty, in fact it's only aiof that seems to have ever mentioned that word or appear take this as a personal insult. If you had the required comprehension levels and read my posts, I'm asking why name him in the sanfl if the only reason he won't be playing afl is through injury. The discussion topic is his potential dropping to the 2's not the naming of extended benches. But keep up the funny faces, they make you look even more stupid.

In any case, your example above will further emphasise my point. We'll see how many of the 6 mentioned in the vfl miss entirely through injury.

was merely highlighting both (all) teams do it and the "hysteria" is perhaps a little unnecessary

I don't disagree with what you are saying FWIW

Grigg is perhaps the most likely of the injured trio to play and like most I will be annoyed if he is dropped (esp ahead of Pup)r

 

[Tex200]

Malthouse has come out and said the Carlton list is substandard and needs an overhaul. That's got to endear him to the players he his coaching and demeaning, doesn't it. He's telling the truth but is "giving opposition ammunition".

Agree to disagree

 

[weekend at bernies]

Oh, I was in Sydney at a wedding on Sat afternoon, and met a guy called Bernie....

nah, mine was in McLaren Vale.

p.s. my name is not Bernie

 

[DangerSloane]

was merely highlighting both (all) teams do it and the "hysteria" is perhaps a little unnecessary

I don't disagree with what you are saying FWIW

Grigg is perhaps the most likely of the injured trio to play and like most I will be annoyed if he is dropped (esp ahead of Pup)r

Grigg will not be dropped. If he doesnt play its because he's not fit.
Hes shown plenty this year and is 2nd in our goal kicking (I think)

 

[Vader]

OK fair point, Sando is only 9 times worse.

Is he really, or is he just limited in his options by all the injuries we've suffered?

I'm no fan of Petrenko - anyone whose been here for a while knows that. But if you're going to replace him then you have to have an alternative. What are the alternatives? We're talking about replacing him with either an unproven player (CEY/Cameron) or one who isn't up to AFL standard (Lyons/Martin). CEY's SANFL form is definitely encouraging (at least the stats he's been generating are - I obviously haven't seen him play), but I trust the selectors to know when a youngster is ready to make his debut. If they say that he's not, then I trust that judgement. Cameron (by most accounts) had a quiet game last week and isn't currently demanding senior selection. Replacing Pets with Lyons or Martin is not an upgrade, it's re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

The only selection that annoys me is the likely non-selection of Grigg. If he's omitted on the grounds of injury, then that's a complete non-issue. If he's dropped back to the SANFL, despite being one of the few players we have with the ability to get the ball and kick it between the big sticks, then that's just plain disgusting. For now we don't know whether or not he has actually been dropped. Let's hold fire until the final 22 is actually named before going off half-cocked.

 

[Vader]

What I think is more interesting than trying to read between the lines on team selection before the final side is named and having a meltdown, is Tom Lynch. He was back running a week or two after doing his shoulder, so his fitness shouldn't be that far behind the rest of the group. I expected him to come straight back into the side when he was available. I can understand if the coaching staff wants him to find some touch first, although the same could be argued for 95% of the side. I really hope that if Lynch makes it through this week unscathed he is immediately brought back in.

Don't forget that Lynch also had a limited pre-season, missing at least one (if not two) of the MMC games. Bringing him back through the SANFL makes a lot of sense, given his lack of game time so far this season. It's not just about fitness.

 

[Wood_Duck]

Don't forget that Lynch also had a limited pre-season, missing at least one (if not two) of the MMC games. Bringing him back through the SANFL makes a lot of sense, given his lack of game time so far this season. It's not just about fitness.

Its amazing how much better Lynch is since last year. By late last year he was a fringe player just in our best 22. Fast forward to round 4 2014 and he is essential to our structure.

Make no mistake I want him back in the side. Im just not expecting him to make us dramatically better.

 

[Vader]

Which one is it fellas?

Both.. missed the early MMC games due to the ankle injury, then injured his shoulder in the one game he did play (vs GWS).

 

[Wood_Duck]

Both.. missed the early MMC games due to the ankle injury, then injured his shoulder in the one game he did play (vs GWS).

The first quote I posted said he hadn't played since late last year though.

 

[Vader]

The first quote I posted said he hadn't played since late last year though.

He played what, half of one MMC game? Would you settle for "he's hardly played" since last year? Any way you care to look at it, he hasn't had a whole lot of game time so far this season.

 

[DangerSloane]

Is he really, or is he just limited in his options by all the injuries we've suffered?

I'm no fan of Petrenko - anyone whose been here for a while knows that. But if you're going to replace him then you have to have an alternative. What are the alternatives? We're talking about replacing him with either an unproven player (CEY/Cameron) or one who isn't up to AFL standard (Lyons/Martin). CEY's SANFL form is definitely encouraging (at least the stats he's been generating are - I obviously haven't seen him play), but I trust the selectors to know when a youngster is ready to make his debut. If they say that he's not, then I trust that judgement. Cameron (by most accounts) had a quiet game last week and isn't currently demanding senior selection. Replacing Pets with Lyons or Martin is not an upgrade, it's re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

The only selection that annoys me is the likely non-selection of Grigg. If he's omitted on the grounds of injury, then that's a complete non-issue. If he's dropped back to the SANFL, despite being one of the few players we have with the ability to get the ball and kick it between the big sticks, then that's just plain disgusting. For now we don't know whether or not he has actually been dropped. Let's hold fire until the final 22 is actually named before going off half-cocked.

Your premace is flawed.
You're saying we cant replace Pets with unproven players or players that arent AFL standard, but what you're forgetting is that Pets isnt AFL standard, therefore we may aswell replace him with a young kid who may one day be AFL standard.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

I can't believe we don't get 100 % disclosure from the football department. They should tell us everything. Why don't they put our game plan up on the website too?

why don't they win a game of football by kicking goals. Instead of thinking they are playing COD with all this strategy and espionage.

 

[Vader]

Your premace is flawed.
You're saying we cant replace Pets with unproven players or players that arent AFL standard, but what you're forgetting is that Pets isnt AFL standard, therefore we may aswell replace him with a young kid who may one day be AFL standard.

I'm more than happy for them to replace him with CEY, Cameron (or some other youngster) if/when the selectors decide that the kid is ready to play at senior level. I'm not in favour of throwing kids in at the deep end before they're ready for it. I trust the selectors to know the difference.

 

[Jcpdragonx]

Its amazing how much better Lynch is since last year. By late last year he was a fringe player just in our best 22. Fast forward to round 4 2014 and he is essential to our structure.

Make no mistake I want him back in the side. Im just not expecting him to make us dramatically better.

It wouldn't be this way if Tex wasn't injured, I'd assume Sando didn't rate him.

 

[Bring back Bas]

I wouldn't mind seeing Shaw in for Hartigan. Not that Hartigan has done anything wrong, but I'm not all that concerned with St Kildas key forwards outside of Reiwoldt and I think Shaw gives us a bit of extra run out of defense. I can also see Shaw helping out with Reiwoldt when he is up the ground because Shaw certianly has the speed to beet him running back which is where Reiwoldt scores a lot of his goals. I think Talia will take him for most of the game though, especially close to goal but it wouldn't hurt to have a few options as I don't think anyone can run with Reiwoldt all day. Thoughts?

 

[hey shorty]

Its amazing how much better Lynch is since last year. By late last year he was a fringe player just in our best 22. Fast forward to round 4 2014 and he is essential to our structure.

Make no mistake I want him back in the side. Im just not expecting him to make us dramatically better.

With all due respect last year he was very important to the limited success we had. Problem now is that we have 3 forwards in Jenkins, Lynch and Pods who work really hard upfield but wont kick bags of goals (yes I know 10 Goal Tom but that wont happen again)

 

[The Karma Bus]

We're talking about replacing him with either an unproven player (CEY/Cameron) or one who isn't up to AFL standard (Lyons/Martin). CEY's SANFL form is definitely encouraging (at least the stats he's been generating are - I obviously haven't seen him play), but I trust the selectors to know when a youngster is ready to make his debut. If they say that he's not, then I trust that judgement. Cameron (by most accounts) had a quiet game last week and isn't currently demanding senior selection. Replacing Pets with Lyons or Martin is not an upgrade, it's re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

Lyons is 21 years old and has played 13 games, he has rarely been poor in those games, he has been the sub in a high percentage of those games, he played a better game against Collingwood at the MCG last year than Petrenko has ever played in his 72 games..

Yet he's simply not AFL standard?
He's not an upgrade on Pets, while also looking to the future and if he fits into it?
And he is just re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic?

 

[DangerSloane]

I'm more than happy for them to replace him with CEY, Cameron (or some other youngster) if/when the selectors decide that the kid is ready to play at senior level. I'm not in favour of throwing kids in at the deep end before they're ready for it. I trust the selectors to know the difference.

What like B. Crouch round 1 last year?
He was clearly ready, and should've played.

Or like Grigg who took 3/4 of a season to earn his spot and has been top 5 crows this season so far?

Or Kerridge who looks like a gem but couldnt get a spot last year ahead of some aging, underperforming players.