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[Bring back Bas]

Is Sando the only coach who doesn't use the sub as a quick, impact player? Lyons is the sorta player we should sub out, not into a game. Play Pets as the sub and tell him to go berserk.

A quick impact player would be ideal as the sub but they should come from outside your best 21. Lyons shouldn't be promoted into the starting 21 on the basis that he can't play the sub role well so that a player the coaches think will provide more on field can play less game time. That rules out guys like Pets (area or disagree that is opinion of the coaches), Mackay, Danger, etc who would all make good subs.

Who from outside our starting 21 would play a better 1 1/2 quarters than Lyons?

 

[Vader]

Dramatising much?
All I said was that Thommo was not a fast player, it's proof you can make it without speed..
Not that Lyons is on a level with him

Thommo as we know him now was not always that way though..
Many never rated him that highly or pictured him having the career he has..

If you're a footballer, you'll make it..

Good grief, now you're just making rubbish up to support a flimsy argument. Thompson wen #12 in the National Draft and we traded a player who was being groomed to be the club's next Captain in order to get him. Thompson has always been rated far more highly than Lyons ever has (or ever will).

 

[TheMetricSystem]

Good grief, now you're just making rubbish up to support a flimsy argument. Thompson wen #12 in the National Draft and we traded a player who was being groomed to be the club's next Captain in order to get him. Thompson has always been rated far more highly than Lyons ever has (or ever will).

Who is this future captain we traded?

 

[Vader]

Who is this future captain we traded?

Tyson Stenglein.

Subsequently disappeared into mediocrity when he went home to WA, but was just about our only decent youngster at the time he was on our list and was being groomed for the captaincy.

 

[DangerSloane]

Tyson Stenglein.

Subsequently disappeared into mediocrity when he went home to WA, but was just about our only decent youngster at the time he was on our list and was being groomed for the captaincy.

LOL!
Stenglein was an average tagger at best.

He wasn't going to captain an SANFL side, let alone the crows.

 

[TheMetricSystem]

Tyson Stenglein.

Subsequently disappeared into mediocrity when he went home to WA, but was just about our only decent youngster at the time he was on our list and was being groomed for the captaincy.

We hardly sacrificed our "future captain" to get Thompson. Stenglein wanted to go home as did Thompson.

 

[Vader]

LOL!
Stenglein was an average tagger at best.

He wasn't going to captain an SANFL side, let alone the crows.

Like I said, he disappeared into mediocrity after being traded. That said, you are vastly under-estimating the esteem with which he was held at the club.

He was drafted in 1998 and made his debut in 1999. He came back into the side early in 2000 and quickly cemented his place in our best 22 - despite Ayres' dislike of playing anyone under pension age. He was rarely (if ever) dropped and played 106 games for the Crows, before requesting a trade back home to WA - where he went on to play another 102 games for the Weagles. "Average taggers" don't play 208 AFL games and retire on their own terms.

 

[Vader]

We hardly sacrificed our "future captain" to get Thompson. Stenglein wanted to go home as did Thompson.

I never said we sacrificed him. I said that this was the price we paid to get Thompson - who was very highly rated at the time, contrary to your selective memory.

 

[DangerSloane]

Like I said, he disappeared into mediocrity after being traded. That said, you are vastly under-estimating the esteem with which he was held at the club.

He was drafted in 1998 and made his debut in 1999. He came back into the side early in 2000 and quickly cemented his place in our best 22 - despite Ayres' dislike of playing anyone under pension age. He was rarely (if ever) dropped and played 106 games for the Crows, before requesting a trade back home to WA - where he went on to play another 102 games for the Weagles. "Average taggers" don't play 208 AFL games and retire on their own terms.

Really?
How many has Nathan Van Berlo played?

 

[TheMetricSystem]

I never said we sacrificed him. I said that this was the price we paid to get Thompson - who was very highly rated at the time, contrary to your selective memory.

Like I said, Stenglein was leaving anyway so it would not have made a difference. You carry on as if we made a play for Thompson which involved sending our "next captain" to WA. Not the case, both wanted to go home so the club made it happen.

I also did not say he wasn't highly regarded.

 

[TheMetricSystem]

Like I said, he disappeared into mediocrity after being traded. That said, you are vastly under-estimating the esteem with which he was held at the club.

He was drafted in 1998 and made his debut in 1999. He came back into the side early in 2000 and quickly cemented his place in our best 22 - despite Ayres' dislike of playing anyone under pension age. He was rarely (if ever) dropped and played 106 games for the Crows, before requesting a trade back home to WA - where he went on to play another 102 games for the Weagles. "Average taggers" don't play 208 AFL games and retire on their own terms.

Good player, Stenglein. Blisteringly quick too as is the requirement for all AFL players.

 

[The Karma Bus]

Good grief, now you're just making rubbish up to support a flimsy argument. Thompson wen #12 in the National Draft and we traded a player who was being groomed to be the club's next Captain in order to get him. Thompson has always been rated far more highly than Lyons ever has (or ever will).

Again, I never said Lyons is rated as high..
You make up so much nonsense by stretching out the truth of what has been posted..

And do you also not remember the rubbishing that Thompson used to receive in the early years from many people?
The time he really got it together as a player was the last 5-6 years..
The point is you think you know everything on how a player will turn out in the first handful of games they play, when that's not always the case..
But keep going..

 

[Vader]

Really?
How many has Nathan Van Berlo played?

VB is not just an "average tagger" either, despite what the lesser lights here on the Adelaide Board might think. The Weagles coughed up their 1st & 2nd round draft picks for Stinger. No club would do that for a player that they didn't rate very highly indeed - particularly not one as well run as the Weagles.

 

[Vader]

Like I said, Stenglein was leaving anyway so it would not have made a difference. You carry on as if we made a play for Thompson which involved sending our "next captain" to WA. Not the case, both wanted to go home so the club made it happen.

I also did not say he wasn't highly regarded.

Yes, both players wanted to go home and the club made it happen. However, the price paid was significant - the Weagles gave us their 1st & 2nd round draft picks for Stinger. We then forwarded their 1st round pick (#12 overall) to Melbourne. We wouldn't have traded pick #12 if we didn't rate Thompson that highly.

 

[Vader]

Again, I never said Lyons is rated as high..
You make up so much nonsense by stretching out the truth of what has been posted..

And do you also not remember the rubbishing that Thompson used to receive in the early years from many people?
The time he really got it together as a player was the last 5-6 years..
The point is you think you know everything on how a player will turn out in the first handful of games they play, when that's not always the case..
But keep going..

Thompson was bagged out regularly for his disciplinary issues early on in his career. He also copped a bollocking for kicking the ball OOTF, which resulted in Buddy Franklin kicking the winning goal against us in a final. Neither of these had anything to do with pace or endurance - and his skills have always been far, far better than Lyons'.

Thompson was originally drafted by Melbourne at #16 in the 2000 draft. Four years later Adelaide gave them pick #12 for him. He has always been highly valued. In the first 3 years of his AFL career he played 27 AFL games - and would have played considerably more were it not for a fairly serious leg injury.

Lyons was picked with #61. In the first 3 years of his AFL career he has played 13 AFL games and been the last man selected (wearing the lime green bib as a result) on 6 of those occasions. He has never been a "best 22" player and his physical limitations mean that he probably never will be.

 

[DangerSloane]

VB is not just an "average tagger" either, despite what the lesser lights here on the Adelaide Board might think. The Weagles coughed up their 1st & 2nd round draft picks for Stinger. No club would do that for a player that they didn't rate very highly indeed - particularly not one as well run as the Weagles.

Isnt he?
Would he be in the side if he couldnt be a stopper?

My answer is no...

 

[Big Trozza]

Just watched a replay of our round 8 game against carlton at etihad in 2012. Astonishing how far backwards we've managed to go in less then two years.

 

[rocket18]

Grigg will not be dropped. If he doesnt play its because he's not fit.
Hes shown plenty this year and is 2nd in our goal kicking (I think)

Yeh but he is young and inexperienced, we need the older heads playing - so the above is irrelevant at our club.

 

[thebeedee]

Just watched a replay of our round 8 game against carlton at etihad in 2012. Astonishing how far backwards we've managed to go in less then two years.

And that team consisted of:

B: Doughty, Rutten, Johncock
HB: Jaensch, Talia, Reilly
C: Mackay, S Thompson, van Berlo
HF: Petrenko, Jenkins, Callinan
FF: Wright, Tippett, Porps
Followers: Jacobs, Dangerfield, Sloane

Are they really comparable?

 

[The Karma Bus]

Thompson was bagged out regularly for his disciplinary issues early on in his career. He also copped a bollocking for kicking the ball OOTF, which resulted in Buddy Franklin kicking the winning goal against us in a final. Neither of these had anything to do with pace or endurance - and his skills have always been far, far better than Lyons'.

Thompson was originally drafted by Melbourne at #16 in the 2000 draft. Four years later Adelaide gave them pick #12 for him. He has always been highly valued. In the first 3 years of his AFL career he played 27 AFL games - and would have played considerably more were it not for a fairly serious leg injury.

Lyons was picked with #61. In the first 3 years of his AFL career he has played 13 AFL games and been the last man selected (wearing the lime green bib as a result) on 6 of those occasions. He has never been a "best 22" player and his physical limitations mean that he probably never will be.

All of this because I simply pointed out that Thommo made it at AFL level and does not have pace, after you used that as a reason Lyons can't make it..
Then you fire off on this tangent that I'm daring compare Lyons to Thompson etc..

As everyone has complained about -even in his years of great form- his skills are also not the greatest..
I think that gets overdone as his skills are ok, but he's no Pendlebury..

Anyway, none of us know yet what Lyons is really capable of, we're all just guessing which is half the problem.. He looks nervous and like he knows he's just walking the tightrope of being dropped, he also needs to get up with the pace of the game by playing at the level..

Lyons may not make it, but I'm sure giving him a chance unlike some who write players off when they've barely sniffed the grass of an AFL oval yet..
Or based on their SANFL form, of which they have not witnessed..

 

[DD#23]

And that team consisted of:

B: Doughty, Rutten, Johncock
HB: Jaensch, Talia, Reilly
C: Mackay, S Thompson, van Berlo
HF: Petrenko, Jenkins, Callinan
FF: Wright, Tippett, Porps
Followers: Jacobs, Dangerfield, Sloane

Are they really comparable?

So gone:
Doughty -> Brown
Johncock -> Laird
Callinan -> Betts
Tippett -> Walker

Should be gone:
Jaensch -> Otten
Reilly -> Henderson
Mackay -> Smith

Starting to ask the question:
Rutten -> Hartigan
Thompson -> Crouch brothers
Van Berlo -> Kerridge
Wright -> Lynch

lets be honest, while everyone was playing well in 2012 it's hard not to think that on paper we look like a better side right now EDIT: or at least a side with a much higher ceiling IMO. Granted Walker, Otten, Hendo and Brad are unavailable at the moment though.

 

[jackster83]

I want to see us do something about our flat starts. Someone should line up whoever they put on Danger. A bit of early push and shove might fire us up.

 

[King Elvis]

Lyons will make it - but the travesty is that we even have to have the argument about whether he will or not.

****ing play him and we'll find out for sure.

 

[Bailey01]

In: Martin, Ellis-Yolmen, Shaw
Out: -

Drugs are bad.

Drugs are bad M'kay

 

[DangerSloane]

Hey Vader I know it was a different era, but what would you have said about greg williams?

Short, slow, unfit...should also have had 3 brownlows to his name.

I know its a different day and age, but skill trumps fitness every single day of the week.