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Eggzoi said:
Spot the difference:
Port Power 2003-
Form going into finals. From round 7
WWWWWWL(1 pt to Geelong)WWWWWWWW
Then Finals strike
L To Sydney, who they beat by 39 points just a few weeks before. Sydney was eliminated in the prelims by 44 points.
That's what we call a finals choke.

Adelaide Crows 2006-
Form going into finals. From round 7
WLWWWWWWWWL(82 points to WC)WLLLW
Then we hit finals
W
That's what we call winning the first final, against a team that had won 9 games in a row. The prelim comes along and we lose to the team that has beaten us 4/5 times in recent past. Seems to me more like losing to a team that is better than us rather than choking in finals. Don't worry Port, maybe next year you can reach finals again and start all over.

Maybe one or two of you will be able to spot the difference rather than just stand there yelling like a fool, but I doubt it.
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Funny stuff.

Wasnt it last year you won TEN games in a row before the finals, then lost your first final....and claimed it wasnt a choke? hmmm.

Werent you 2 games and 60% clear of 2nd spot in about Round 17? Winning each week by 60-100 points? Talk of invincibility? Every opposition coach for about 6 weeks straight says your the best team ever? Talk of Crowbots? 4 goals up at home with a weeks extra break, with 50,000 people behind you, kicking with a nice breeze in the third quarter and you lost. hmmm.

You may not have "choked", but you still stuffed the best two chances youve EVER had to make a GF/win a flag in the last two years. They are facts you cannot refute. You also cannot refute that you have drastically underacheived given your position at about Round 15.

Is falling in a complete heap of mediocrity on the eve of the finals this year better than falling in a heap during the finals last year? Id say its equal.
 
Expectation to win, I see it, as seperate from favoritism.
If we go from 2001.

2001
Carl v Adelaide - Carlton Expected, Carlton wins
Bris v Port - Brisbane expected, Brisbane Wins
Port v Haw - Port expected, Hawthorn wins

2002
Port v Coll - Port expected, Collingwood wins
Bris v Adelaide - Brisbane expected, Brisbane wins
PA v Ess - Port expected, Port wins
Adelaide v Melb (in Melb) - Melbourne expected, Adelaide wins
Coll v Adelaide - Collingwood expected, Collingwood wins
Bris v Port - Brisbane expected, Brisbane wins

2003
Adelaide v WC - Adelaide expected, Adelaide wins
Port v Sydney - Port expected, Sydney wins
Bris v Adelaide - Brisbane expected, Brisbane wins
Port v Ess - Port expected, Port wins
Coll v Port - Collingwood expected, Collingwood wins

2004
Port v Geelong - Port expected, Port win
Port v St Kilda - Port expected, Port win
Port v Brisbane -50/50, Port win
Adelaide non-existant

2005
Adelaide v StK - Adelaide expected, St Kilda win
Port v Kang - Port expected, Port win
Adelaide v Port - Adelaide expected, Adelaide win
WC v Adelaide - West Coast expected, West Coast win

2006
Adelaide v Freo, Fremantle expected, Adelaide win
Adelaide v WC, WC expected (although I rated us 50-50), Adelaide win
Port Adelaide non-existant.

In home games (including Adelaide's Home game at the MCG), Adelaide are 4 wins and 2 losses. 1 of these losses was unexpected, the other expected (also an unexpected win). Port Adelaide are 4 wins and 3 losses at home. All 3 were unexpected losses.

In 2002 and 2003, Port were playing for a home preliminary final. They lost this privilege and thus had to travel for their prelims. I have no qualms with losing the prelims away. Adelaide in 2005, lost at home to St Kilda, and thus lost home ground advantage for their prelim and thus had to travel to Perth. Were Adelaide expected to make the Grand Final this year? In my heart of course I would say yes. Were we expected to? No, we weren't. Were we expected to in Rd 22? No, we weren't. In that lies the answer.

I am not saying that we shouldn't have made the GF, because after the loss to WC, I still thought we were a monty. But the simple fact is that we were not good enough. We were beaten by the better midfield. A team with limited injuries, one whom had controversy at the beginning of the year, and not the end.
 
Greatness23 said:
Holy crap I've already said that last years FIRST ROUND was a choke. The match at subi had nothing to do with choking. Adelaide losing last years prelim is about as much of a choke as Port losing in last years semi. Yeah that's right. It wasn't.

The choking tag is thrown around WAAAAAAAAAY too much. And usually only by Port fans desparate to get rid of the tag, especially if its to their cross town rivals.

Geez guys, my father is a sensible port supporter and even he doesn't think it was a choke and is embarassed by the notion that other Port fans are trying to claim it was.
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I really dont give a flying **** what they call us, I mean they are just Port Power supporters doing what they do best, dribbling shYt after all At the end of the day WE ARE the PRIDE OF SA and their just our ugly sisters
 

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kimirocks said:
Were Adelaide expected to make the Grand Final this year? In my heart of course I would say yes. Were we expected to? No, we weren't. Were we expected to in Rd 22? No, we weren't. In that lies the answer.
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I disagree. At the start of the year you were one of the favourites. After the PS Cup you were one of the favourites. Mid-season you were favourite. After Round 15 you were favourite. In Round 22 you were expected to make the GF yes.
 
Redlegs14 said:
FFS guys,Port supporters have accepted they choked in 2001(somewhat debatable),2002 & 2003.Why the f*** can't you just accept we have as well.You guys better hope we win the premiership next year,especially if we finish in the top 2,otherwise our record will be even worse and if you think it's bad this year,wait till next year.But I guess you'll just make up even lamer excuses next year to convince yourselves that it's not a choke.F***ing accept it and get on with life.
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A Crow supporter with reason!!! Well ill be..
 
sworc36 said:
I really dont give a flying **** what they call us, I mean they are just Port Power supporters doing what they do best, dribbling shYt after all At the end of the day WE ARE the PRIDE OF SA and their just our ugly sisters
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You are NOT the pride of the state. You do NOT represent the state. You are a club, we are a club. Neither of us represent SA. I'm a South Aussie, and I'm not proud of them! The only people who are proud are crows supporters, not the entire state.
 
Eggzoi said:
Spot the difference:
Port Power 2003-
Form going into finals. From round 7
WWWWWWL(1 pt to Geelong)WWWWWWWW
Then Finals strike
L To Sydney, who they beat by 39 points just a few weeks before. Sydney was eliminated in the prelims by 44 points.
That's what we call a finals choke.

Adelaide Crows 2006-
Form going into finals. From round 7
WLWWWWWWWWL(82 points to WC)WLLLW
Then we hit finals
W
That's what we call winning the first final, against a team that had won 9 games in a row. The prelim comes along and we lose to the team that has beaten us 4/5 times in recent past. Seems to me more like losing to a team that is better than us rather than choking in finals. Don't worry Port, maybe next year you can reach finals again and start all over.

Maybe one or two of you will be able to spot the difference rather than just stand there yelling like a fool, but I doubt it.
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The AFC don't choke in finals then how about this disturbing pattern?

Adelaide vs Essendon 1993 prelim final - 7 goals up at half time & their fans are starting to que up for grand final tickets they lost that game to Essendon.

Adelaide vs Collingwood 2002 prelim final - AFC are a goal in front of Collinwood at half time & still lose.

Adelaide vs West Coast 2006 prelim final - AFC are 22 points up at half time kicking with a handy breeze at home & yet still manage to lose.

Adelaide vs West coast 2005 prelim final - AFC are behind by a goal at half time & manage to lose. Yet they had just beaten the weagles at Subiaco only 2 weeks prior to that game.
 
kimirocks said:
Expectation to win, I see it, as seperate from favoritism.
If we go from 2001.

2001
Carl v Adelaide - Carlton Expected, Carlton wins
Bris v Port - Brisbane expected, Brisbane Wins
Port v Haw - Port expected, Hawthorn wins

2002
Port v Coll - Port expected, Collingwood wins
Bris v Adelaide - Brisbane expected, Brisbane wins
PA v Ess - Port expected, Port wins
Adelaide v Melb (in Melb) - Melbourne expected, Adelaide wins
Coll v Adelaide - Collingwood expected, Collingwood wins
Bris v Port - Brisbane expected, Brisbane wins

2003
Adelaide v WC - Adelaide expected, Adelaide wins
Port v Sydney - Port expected, Sydney wins
Bris v Adelaide - Brisbane expected, Brisbane wins
Port v Ess - Port expected, Port wins
Coll v Port - Collingwood expected, Collingwood wins

2004
Port v Geelong - Port expected, Port win
Port v St Kilda - Port expected, Port win
Port v Brisbane -50/50, Port win
Adelaide non-existant

2005
Adelaide v StK - Adelaide expected, St Kilda win
Port v Kang - Port expected, Port win
Adelaide v Port - Adelaide expected, Adelaide win
WC v Adelaide - West Coast expected, West Coast win

2006
Adelaide v Freo, Fremantle expected, Adelaide win
Adelaide v WC, WC expected (although I rated us 50-50), Adelaide win
Port Adelaide non-existant.

In home games (including Adelaide's Home game at the MCG), Adelaide are 4 wins and 2 losses. 1 of these losses was unexpected, the other expected (also an unexpected win). Port Adelaide are 4 wins and 3 losses at home. All 3 were unexpected losses.

In 2002 and 2003, Port were playing for a home preliminary final. They lost this privilege and thus had to travel for their prelims. I have no qualms with losing the prelims away. Adelaide in 2005, lost at home to St Kilda, and thus lost home ground advantage for their prelim and thus had to travel to Perth. Were Adelaide expected to make the Grand Final this year? In my heart of course I would say yes. Were we expected to? No, we weren't. Were we expected to in Rd 22? No, we weren't. In that lies the answer.

I am not saying that we shouldn't have made the GF, because after the loss to WC, I still thought we were a monty. But the simple fact is that we were not good enough. We were beaten by the better midfield. A team with limited injuries, one whom had controversy at the beginning of the year, and not the end.
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What a load of crap, if you didn't expect to beat Melbourne in 2002 after finishing 3rd you are a piss weak supporter.
What I don't understand is all your supporters are saying West Coast were favourites yet they had a week's less break, against a 50k home crowd and were down by 20 odd points at half time.
Yet last year wasn't a choke although you were in exactly the same situation as West Coast this year after finishing top.
Why can't you and your supporters understand the whole concept, the Crows would have to be the least knowledgable supporters in Australia.
Every concept of the game you do not understand and fabricate the whole bloody thing to make yourselves feel better.
Go boo a point post you knobs.
 
afc9798 said:
It's a fair point, but how do you explain that Sydney won last year after losing the QF and West Coast made it this year after losing the QF. According to you they should have been able to win anywhere against anyone and if they can't, then you can't be a contender.:confused:
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indeed. but sydney wins finals more often that not, in the last minute. and unless you have the stamina and will to keep on playing, they always will, with paul roos that is...
 
Greatness23 said:
Holy crap I've already said that last years FIRST ROUND was a choke. The match at subi had nothing to do with choking. Adelaide losing last years prelim is about as much of a choke as Port losing in last years semi. Yeah that's right. It wasn't.
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This what I can't comprehend, this year West Coast were favourites because they finished top although they lost their first final and had to play away.
Yet last year wasn't a choke for you guys against West Coast because it was away and top has nothing to do with it.
Using this that logic Port's 02 & 03 weren't chokes as both our Prelims were away, and don't use the bull**** excuse that West Coast were the better side as has been used earlier in this thread as Brisbane over that period are hailed as the best team ever.
Ha our Semi last year a choke? We went from 8th to 5th in last years finals, you guys choked from 1st to 4th. We only finished one spot lower.
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SBR_04 said:
Hahaha thankyou for making me laugh :)
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Great to see we are all laughing, I haven't stopped laughing since 6pm Saturday.

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CROWS CHOKED, CROWS CHOKED, CROWS CHOKED,CROWS CHOKED, CROWS CHOKED, CROWS CHOKED,:D
 
SBR_04 said:
Hahaha thankyou for making me laugh :)
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How many home preliminary finals have Port lost? ;)
 

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2notepockets said:
when was the last final u saw port play? did it live up to the "dream" expectations?
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No I expected to win, even though we did finish 7 places lower than your mob after Rd22. Imagine if you guys lost that, it'd only be another final that you guys expected to lose so it wouldn't of mattered.
 
Mr Magoo said:
The AFC don't choke in finals then how about this disturbing pattern?

Adelaide vs Essendon 1993 prelim final - 7 goals up at half time & their fans are starting to que up for grand final tickets they lost that game to Essendon.
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i watched that prelim with camry followers & they were on the phone at 1/2 time!
 
Macca19 said:
I disagree. At the start of the year you were one of the favourites. After the PS Cup you were one of the favourites. Mid-season you were favourite. After Round 15 you were favourite. In Round 22 you were expected to make the GF yes.
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Mate, 99% of the time I agree in what you say. You are a respectable person. I agree after PS cup were one of the 3 or 4 favourites. After our run of victories (against a majority of mediocre clubs) we were favourite, we were after all murdering clubs. However, given the run we had leading into the finals, with injuries and losses, I can't see how we were expected to make the Grand Final. Many crows supporters including myself thought it still possible, and in some places a given. But if you go back through the threads, so many people, not only posters on BF, but in the media, had completely written us off. Many Adelaide supporters on here had written us off completely as well. We were supposed to bomb out after the semi finals (KG had us down for a QF exit as you will recall) after losing to the rampaging Fremantle. For most of the year we were favourites, no problems, but once it came to Rd 22, much faith had been lost in us, so much that we moved from unbackable favourites at $2.15 or something to outside $7. Now tell me that we were expected to make the GF.
 
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Would players such as Mark Ricciuto, Trent Henschell, Ben Hart and Ken McGregor made all the difference?

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Where's the option of West Coast played the better football on the day?
 
Mr Magoo said:
The AFC don't choke in finals then how about this disturbing pattern?

Adelaide vs Essendon 1993 prelim final - 7 goals up at half time & their fans are starting to que up for grand final tickets they lost that game to Essendon.

Adelaide vs Collingwood 2002 prelim final - AFC are a goal in front of Collinwood at half time & still lose.

Adelaide vs West Coast 2006 prelim final - AFC are 22 points up at half time kicking with a handy breeze at home & yet still manage to lose.

Adelaide vs West coast 2005 prelim final - AFC are behind by a goal at half time & manage to lose. Yet they had just beaten the weagles at Subiaco only 2 weeks prior to that game.
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Seems you only have a selective memory

What about being 42 points down in a prelim and we come back and won in 1997

and were down by a fair margin in a GF and come back and won in 1998

One of the most pathetic attempts at a post ever, funny how if you deliberately leave things out you supposedly have some trend. Is that the best thing that you can come up with.

That is like Crows supporters pretending 2004 didnt happen. Didnt all you port fans say that Port won so they are no longer chokers ??? Yet in typical Port adelaide fashion you keep bringing up 1993, I know Port supporters arent the brightest sparks, but come on. At least try and come up with something that is logical Biggest bunch of hypocritcs and gunnas in the AFL . So I guess that Port Adelaide are no longer chokers because of 2004, but Adelaide are still chokers from 1993 even though we came back and won a prelim in similar circumstances.

If you want some crediblity then actually come up with something that isnt some contrived rationale.

Did you have to have shock therapy to pretend that 1997 didnt happen ???

What we did in 1997 totally erased what happened in 1993. We did exactly the same thing came back from 7 goals down to grab a prelim final victory, but as SO TYPICAL FOR PORT SUPPORTERS PRETEND CERTAIN THINGS DIDNT HAPPEN.

I guess you all arent smart enough to realise that over time Port will again find itself losing finals at some point down the track. Its just a pathetic vicious cycle and then you will claim that the AFC supporters are acting in despiration just as we are doing for your mob now.

Or you can do the usual Port tatic and pretend that it's never gunna happen again. There's that gunna word again.

Remember these classics

We are gunna win a flag before you (Port start of 1997)
We are gunna win 2 before you
We are gunna win a flag quicker than you did
We are gunna have more supporters
We are not gunna lose to you in finals
We are gunna be more successful
Blah blah blah

Good to see there are plenty more gunnas doing the rounds this year.

Its funny cos Port are always gunna do something and yet none of the supposed gunnas have matched the AFC so far.
 

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