No Doubt, West Coast are the Worst Team in the League

[Blues_Brat]

West Coasts capitulation at the hands of Cahhhlton must surely prove they are the worst team in the league. Although Freo haven't won a game, they haven't even come close to being thrashed in the way the Eagles have been recently.

Sad state of affairs for WA football.

I'm sure a lot of Victorian supporters who suffered at the hands of the Eagles in the 90's would be loving it, but what is happening here in Perth is indicative of the state of football throughout the country. The killing of grass roots football at the hands of Jackson et al is finally spreading like rising damp from the foundations into the upper levels of the AFL.

 

[Lil_Miss_Eagle]

I'm a passionate eagles fan and it hurts to admit that our team is the worst in the AFL at the moment. I think it is time that Judge played the younger kids so that they can gain some match time. What have they got to lose?????? We already know that they are going to struggle for the remainder of the season.

 

[Port01]

The problems with WA football were long before Jackson's time.

If the Eagles didnt have half a team out with injuries they would be competitive.

They just have no confidence or system at the moment. Judge just has to be a good enough coach to turn them around and give them some pride in their performance.

This time last year both Adelaide teams had about 3-4 wins between them. So it's not the end of the decade for Perth just yet.

 

[Macca19]

Originally posted by Blues_Brat
West Coasts capitulation at the hands of Cahhhlton must surely prove they are the worst team in the league. Although Freo haven't won a game, they haven't even come close to being thrashed in the way the Eagles have been recently.

You might be a bit harsh on the eagles there. Yes they are playing damn crap footy, but check out there injury lists over the last 5 weeks and tell me that maybe 13 or 14 other clubs with that sort of injury list wouldnt be in the same position.

A lot of their best playesr have missed big parts of the year so far.

Prior Sierakowski and Read are all out for the year. Other players to miss a number of games are - Glass, Cummings, Embley, Harding, Braun, Mcintosh, Merenda, Braun, Phil Matera, Kemp and Jones, Antonowicz. Thats a hefty list.

But your right, they are in real trouble at the moment and dont look near winning a game

 

[Blues_Brat]

Granted, they have had a shocking run of injuries, a bad run of injuries can cost any team a finals berth. The Crows in 1999 for example. However being thrashed week in week out is a sign of deeper problems. It cannot be blamed solely on injuries.

 

[Santos L Helper]

Re: Re: No Doubt, West Coast are the Worst Team in the League

Originally posted by Macca19


You might be a bit harsh on the eagles there. Yes they are playing damn crap footy, but check out there injury lists over the last 5 weeks and tell me that maybe 13 or 14 other clubs with that sort of injury list wouldnt be in the same position.

A lot of their best playesr have missed big parts of the year so far.

Prior Sierakowski and Read are all out for the year. Other players to miss a number of games are - Glass, Cummings, Embley, Harding, Braun, Mcintosh, Merenda, Braun, Phil Matera, Kemp and Jones, Antonowicz. Thats a hefty list.

But your right, they are in real trouble at the moment and dont look near winning a game

Half of those guys are middle tier players at best.

 

[Wilko1]

So how long before Judge bites the dust?
One week, two weeks, three weeks?

 

[Powerball]

West Coast and Fremantle should merge.

 

[Blues_Brat]

As was stated after the game broadcast on 92, now that the Damian Drum speculation is over, the heat is well and truly on Ken Judge.

Place your bets on him being the no.2 coach given the chop in 2001.

 

[iceman]

personally i think Judge is safe

when he got the job he told the board that its a long process to rebuild a club and supposedly he has their full backing....

but that hasnt stopped boards from sacking coaches before

 

[Grave Danger]

Just as with Fremantle, Judge will only be sacked if West Coast's sponsors threaten to withdraw their support...

 

[Captain Random]

Originally posted by Blues_Brat
As was stated after the game broadcast on 92, now that the Damian Drum speculation is over, the heat is well and truly on Ken Judge.

Place your bets on him being the no.2 coach given the chop in 2001.

If so - you may have a sudden vacancy in your team's coaching staff

 

[Blues_Brat]

Originally posted by carneagles


If so - you may have a sudden vacancy in your team's coaching staff

My team? If you're talking about Woosha.. wrong 'Blues'

 

[Visro]

"West Coasts capitulation at the hands of Cahhhlton must surely prove they are the worst team in the league."

Yes we are the worst team in the league at the moment, even Freo is playing better than us!

"I think it is time that Judge played the younger kids so that they can gain some match time. What have they got to lose??????"

Damn good way of decimating what little confidence they had before coming in to play. A team with no confidence is shocking to watch as people found out today.

"check out there injury lists over the last 5 weeks and tell me that maybe 13 or 14 other clubs with that sort of injury list wouldnt be in the same position."

Our injury list is not an excuse for what happened today. Yes Cummings and Merenda might not be fit as they have just come back but there aren't that many players missing now, only about 6 from our best 22. Blaming injuries does not explain todays loss.

"Half of those guys are middle tier players at best."

Nah not really, only players without any confidence. All of them can play good footy, dont know why they aren't! (except Antonowicz - forget the guy!)

Finally, I thinks it a fifty/fifty chance that Judge is given the flick. The club may decide to keep him for one more season to see what happens and hopefully draft a few good young players or get fed up with him and give him the flick. The guy is not the greatest coach and someone may have to be found to replace him.

Vis

 

[GoEagles]

You can't sack a coach if there are no suitable replacements. Like Fremantle, I think the Eagles would have to only look at proven coaches, not untried or poor record coaches.

 

[Richmondfan#1]

Even Fremantle won't get thrashed by that much! (well, maybe)

I do feel sorry for the eagles fans. Must be tough.

Ahwell... that's footy for ya!
It's often cruel!

 

[sabre_ac]

Now I understand that Freo at down the bottom and yet to win a game.
But the fact remains the dockers were in winning positions in most of there games this year.
And hence you could suggest that the difference between a top 8 freo side and bottom 8 freo side, is a mental difference.
And so a new and proven coach with new tactics and a "reputation" could very well be the difference.

But the eagles are not the dockers.Sure they have suffered greaty through the loss of players.But the fact remains allot of there leaders and top players are on the way out.There full forward will most likely be delisted.They have no half forward or a half back.There full back is on his last legs, and much of that once strong midfield is are gone or going.
Kemp and Matera most likely wont be at the club at the end of the season.

Further more they dont have the youth to replace the likes of Cummings,white,Macintosh,Jackovich,Matera and Kemp.
Sure Kerr looks the goods, but they lack key position players in a big way.
No matter who was at the helm this year they were always going to struggle.
Sorry eagle supporters but some time down the bottom is what is required at your club.You need to strengthen your playing stocks and the sacking of your coach will have little impact on this.

Eagle fans are merely having problems realising that there time in the sun is well and truely over.

 

[GoEagles]

sabre - no doubt that the tide has changed and that we're no longer the force we were from the 90s. I can think of at least 10 players that need to be culled from the squad, but whoever is in charge of our recruiting thinks it's a smart idea to replace duds with bigger duds (Eg. Nick Stone OUT... Greg Harding IN)

 

[WCE2000]

At the moment we are the worst team in the AFL, no doubt.

If we could go back to the start of the season, with no injuries, start completly over, we have a reasonably competitive side. Look at some of earlier results - we got with 2 goals of the Swans, nearly ran over Richmond.

Unfortunately after the Richmond match, we suffered a number of injuries, subsuquently, we had our hardest part of the draw this year - Port, Essendon and Hawthorn back-to-back.

And we were on the end of some big losses.

Now, we may have the fair majority of our injured players back, back not all of them are full recovered, and are playing at 80% fitness, and they're all playing at 8% confidence, after suffering some massive losses.

I don't think there's much chance of our season getting back on track, and actually starting to be competitive, because confidence is not like an injury, confidence takes a lot longer to get back.

 

[jod23]

Yeah that performance today by the Eagles was really pethetic. We are probably the worse team in the league right now but not the worst team overall. You cant argue with 0-9, probably 0-10.

I dont really have any answers but i think if we get some confidence back and get our best 22 on the field at some stage this year we can be competitive, no doubt about it. But actually making that happen is another story.

Although i suppose there is an upside, we lost to Essendon, Carlton, Port and the Hawks in the last month and a bit?? Did anyone really think we would win one of those games anyways?? I know i know they shouldnt have been as big a losses as they were but as many people have said before theres no such thing as an honourable loss. 1 point or 100 points you still dont win.

The Saints Freo and the Eagles are the bottom three teams. Both our wins are against the Saints and Freo?? Cant quite figure out if that is worse for us or them?

But you cant dwell on the past, the Lions are ripe for the pickings for a come down game after beating the Bombers, i feel an upset.

At least i have faith .... and a little imagination

 

[Frodo]

Take that f*ckin record off and stick it up yer backside Sabre. You were talking the same crap before the season started and ever since with yer 'honourable defeats' and Freo's'best midfield in competition'
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The Eagles were crap but numerous sides could have beaten us by the same margin if they hadn't eased up for the last quarter. The Dogs caned us last week when we showed some fight and then got hammerred by the Kangaroos who are a pretty average side. What does that say about the Eagles chance against Carlton. Same happened with Tigers caning us then looking shoddy against other opponents.
Injuries are a fact but a poor excuse. How many injuries did we have when we were belted by Geelong in round 1? So who is missing.
Macintosh....injury prone
Read......not exactly a top player
Prior....average player
Sierakowski....we never saw him play
Glass....yes.. a good player... back next week
kemp...32 and injury racked
Banfield...played the first 9 out for 6

Put them all back into the side and would it really make any difference?

On paper the Eagles are so much stronger than last year where we lost thru injury

Wirrpunda
Cousins
Gardiner
Braun
White
both Matera's
Kemp
Cummings

most of them back now

and we additionally have
Kerr
Collica
Gaspar
Cox
Taylor
Carrol

all who have shown ability to perform.

The depth is so good that last year ever present Turnbull can't get a game!!!!

On paper the players are a very reasonable bunch and should not be being belted week in and week out. So what's the problem?

Why are they not as fast as the opposition?
Why are there so many holes in defence?
Why does there seem to be twice the maount of opposition at the fall of the ball?
Why does Gardiner win so much ruck ball but it ends up with our opponents?
Why do opponents look ferocious and the Eagles like wimps?
Why do the Eagles look so bemused, do they know the plot?
Is there a plot?
Why does it take forever to make a simple obvious tactical change?

There is one reason. The reason there is so much player unrest. The reason Mitch White went to Geelong. The reason Metro went to Freo.

Ken Judge. Absolutely without a clue. I thought John Todd was the worst ever seen but Judge comes close.

Why sack him now? To bring the players together again, to install some discipline and confidence. To get rid of the thorn.

At Freo last season 15 players wanted a trade. Yes 15. What on earth were they doing keeping Drum another season? At the Eagles it's probably as bad. The players revolted against Jako as captain. What sort of unnacceptable club ethic is that.

I want to see Judge out...Peter German too. Blueycan do much better with Rob Wiley and mayve some assistance from the likes of Peter Wilson.

ps Freo will continue to have problems until Glendenning goes. His is the disruptive voice in the background.

 

[sabre_ac]

Frodo you have ranted and raved and performed a little sissy fit.
Yet not addressed anything I have said.
The leaders at your club are on the way out
You lack key position players
You have too much dead wood.

A change of coach will have very little with the fortunes of the eagles next year.Your club has to rebuild, you can add bandfield to that list I put forward.
You have cousins and Gardiner who are the future of the club, but it falls away Dramatically from there.

Here is a challenge for you and all other eagle supporters.To convince me your club wont get worse, and your club will improve in the short term.Could you pleae match these players that are on there way out with young players who can setup and fill there place.

Kemp,Jacko,White,Cummings,Bandfield,Matera.
These players have no imediate replacements,and hence your club will suffer over the SHORT TERM.A new coach will have no impact in the short term.

And yes Frodo your team is the worst team in the competition by a country mile.

 

[Frodo]

Originally posted by sabre_ac
Frodo you have ranted and raved and performed a little sissy fit.
Yet not addressed anything I have said.

Not only have I not addressed anything you have said, I haven't bothered to read any of you're crap below the quote above.

You prove again and again that you know stuff all about footy so there's no point in reading the crap.
Worry about your bottom of the ladder winless cretins who were belted out of site this season by the team you mock.

Freo are the worst and the ladder indisputedly proves it.

 

[sabre_ac]

Originally posted by Frodo

Not only have I not addressed anything you have said, I haven't bothered to read any of you're crap below the quote above.

You prove again and again that you know stuff all about footy so there's no point in reading the crap.
Worry about your bottom of the ladder winless cretins who were belted out of site this season by the team you mock.

Freo are the worst and the ladder indisputedly proves it.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Sabre:1
Frodo:0

Least most eagle supporters can come up with some kind of rebuttal, and agree with some of my statements.

And if i know stuff all about football, please point out in this topic where I have been wrong.

Freo may be down the bottom, but I think your mob well and truely proved themselves to be the worst team in the competition.

 

[Visro]

Hey sabre mate, until your club is higher on the ladder than us you cant say anything. It is highly likely if Freo had come over to Optus oval with an injury depleted lineup after being thrashed in the last few games against the top teams, that freo would have been thrashed as well. You dont know anything about WC football club, you know nothing about the list and the young players we do have for our future.