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Title should be changed to specify ATP.
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No. It's simply that "the game has changed".I would say the quality of players in the 24-28 bracket is very poor at the highest end (except for thiem on clay).
Are you watching the USO tonight?Well, assuming no one breaks through at the US Open, it probably will.
I'd be fascinated to hear you actually make your point at some stage.
Is it simply that Nadal is a great player? Because that's not really a point worth making.
The smalltalk can wait until you make a single point, champion.Are you watching the USO tonight?
But I mean if you listen to our resident expert in this thread, Nadal is just a 32 year old with busted knees...
Then what happened?Are you high? Nadal is an absolute champion and the greatest claycourter of all time. He is also a 32-year-old with busted knees.
What?Then what happened?
Nah. In the men's game, players in their 30s have all the advantages. Because the game has changed.Today we saw another young female player, Osaka, make a breakthrough and win her first GS.
Maybe next year we'll see one of the next gen ATP players win a GS.
How did Nadal's tournament end?What?
You’re telling the storyHow did Nadal's tournament end?
How did Nadal's tournament end?You’re telling the story
You’re telling the storyHow did Nadal's tournament end?
And I'm asking you a question.You’re telling the story
But I mean if you listen to our resident expert in this thread, Nadal is just a 32 year old with busted knees...
Then what happened, champ?Are you high? Nadal is an absolute champion and the greatest claycourter of all time. He is also a 32-year-old with busted knees.
NiceAnd I'm asking you a question.
Thank youThat's a weak hand badly played. Even by your standards.
This is from 2016. Still waiting?Look, I agree they should have one something, but it's not until now that their time has really come. Even if this statistic was still true in a year's time I would agree with you. But at the end of the day, now is their chance to take the next step.
The continued dominance of those guys doesn't help your argument. Part of the reason for that dominance is the lack of quality among the younger generation. Where are the young challengers?Another year of dominance from the big 3 in majors. But please, keep telling us how they are washed up and no reason for the current state of the younger generation
And what's the main reason?The continued dominance of those guys doesn't help your argument. Part of the reason for that dominance is the lack of quality among the younger generation. Where are the young challengers?
There is no singular reason that applies across the board. You could go through them one by one and outline their specific shortcomings. Collectively, they just haven't been good enough. There is still time for Zverev to get it together. He's 21 so I'm not so critical of him, although you'd hope he starts to fire a shot at majors in 2019. But guys like Raonic and Dimitrov have been very disappointing. Nishikori to an extent too. And who else is there? The list of guys you could even remotely consider as "contenders" is actually pretty short. Then we're into the likes of Goffin and Thiem?And what's the main reason?
The reality is that there are different reasons for each player. There is not a singular catch-all explanation that describes the success of all three. There is, however, no young challenger who is really pushing them. That certainly makes life easier for them. And I have to say, I wouldn't consider Federer to be dominant. And even Nadal's output is going to be determined by the state of his knees. Assuming he is relatively injury-free, he remains an unbackable favourite at Roland Garros. But I think a fit and focused Djokovic has his number on grass and hardcourt.I was asking you what the main reason is for their dominance, not about the shortcomings of the next gen.