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I have read a lot of despair since the Howard victory. If you are 18-30 I would say do not despair, you do not have to accept your life in Australia as it is. Its not as hard to leave as you might think, it is easy to get work overseas and people think highly of Australians. If you leave, you’ll never have to pay your $40,000 HECS bill while trying to pay off a mortgage. You’ll never have to pay record levels of taxation and if you’re a man you’ll never have to pay maintenance for a child you’re not allowed to see. There is nothing in it for you to stay. The baby-boomer generation had a free ride with many things but are now imposing record levels of debt on young Australians. People wonder why there is a braindrain on young professional Australians. That is because Australia does not care about young people. The baby boomers govern for themselves, let them have their Utopian paradise. We all know John Howard governs for the populace and the population is old. Young people have either been forgotten or ignored. You don’t have to accept this shoddy treatment and you certainly don’t owe Australia anything. Don’t despair, take inspiration from John Howard. Be selfish, do what is best for you. If you can, I would say leave. 1 million Australians live overseas, most of them young people. There is a better life waiting for you somewhere. One in twenty Australians have already discovered this, the world is waiting for you to discover too.
 

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Boo hoo, you naive little man.

My life is great thanks. Think i'll stay.

To suggest life in most other countries would be superior to that Australia suggests to me you fall into the age category of 13-18 and have never lived overseas. You are a twit. Australia will be better for your exit. Can I stamp you passport?
 

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Choota said:
Boo hoo, you naive little man.

My life is great thanks. Think i'll stay.

To suggest life in most other countries would be superior to that Australia suggests to me you fall into the age category of 13-18 and have never lived overseas. You are a twit. Australia will be better for your exit. Can I stamp you passport?
Hehe, have you even left Australia? I doubt it. Australia is a boring, backward waterhole in the middle of nowhere. Australia is probably worse for my exit because I work in a field where they are crying out for people. But thanks for paying for my education. Shame Howard did make it interesting enough for me to stay.
 

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Whats the big deal in paying $2000 a year to pay off your HECS debt, that got you into a position to be able to get a job that allws you to pay it?
 

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Boo hoo, you naive little man.

My life is great thanks. Think i'll stay.

To suggest life in most other countries would be superior to that Australia suggests to me you fall into the age category of 13-18 and have never lived overseas. You are a twit. Australia will be better for your exit. Can I stamp you passport?
I worry about posters like you that don't have the balls to give any profile information. I'd guess you're a newbie kid enjoying the school holidays. BTW, I've lived in a few other countries that have far more social conscience than Australia.
 

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New Zealand's worse than us on taxation aren't they? A higher GST even as I recall!

Personally, I consider NZ to be unsafe because of earthquakes. But that's me.
 

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New Zealand's worse than us on taxation aren't they? A higher GST even as I recall!

Personally, I consider NZ to be unsafe because of earthquakes. But that's me.
I wasn't saying they were better countries than Oz. All places have their own set of pros and cons. I'm proud to be Australian and live in this country. Just embarrassed with our PM that's all.
 

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Fair enough, Hoss, but I'm not proud to be Australian. That's how I feel about this result. I felt nauseated when they sang the national anthem at Howard's speech.
 

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I have read a lot of despair since the Howard victory. If you are 18-30 I would say do not despair, you do not have to accept your life in Australia as it is. Its not as hard to leave as you might think, it is easy to get work overseas and people think highly of Australians. If you leave, you’ll never have to pay your $40,000 HECS bill while trying to pay off a mortgage. You’ll never have to pay record levels of taxation and if you’re a man you’ll never have to pay maintenance for a child you’re not allowed to see. There is nothing in it for you to stay. The baby-boomer generation had a free ride with many things but are now imposing record levels of debt on young Australians. People wonder why there is a braindrain on young professional Australians. That is because Australia does not care about young people. The baby boomers govern for themselves, let them have their Utopian paradise. We all know John Howard governs for the populace and the population is old. Young people have either been forgotten or ignored. You don’t have to accept this shoddy treatment and you certainly don’t owe Australia anything. Don’t despair, take inspiration from John Howard. Be selfish, do what is best for you. If you can, I would say leave. 1 million Australians live overseas, most of them young people. There is a better life waiting for you somewhere. One in twenty Australians have already discovered this, the world is waiting for you to discover too.

me thinks someone has been right royally shafted by one of those opposite sex peoples.
 

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I have read a lot of despair since the Howard victory. If you are 18-30 I would say do not despair, you do not have to accept your life in Australia as it is. Its not as hard to leave as you might think, it is easy to get work overseas and people think highly of Australians. If you leave, you’ll never have to pay your $40,000 HECS bill while trying to pay off a mortgage. You’ll never have to pay record levels of taxation and if you’re a man you’ll never have to pay maintenance for a child you’re not allowed to see. There is nothing in it for you to stay. The baby-boomer generation had a free ride with many things but are now imposing record levels of debt on young Australians. People wonder why there is a braindrain on young professional Australians. That is because Australia does not care about young people. The baby boomers govern for themselves, let them have their Utopian paradise. We all know John Howard governs for the populace and the population is old. Young people have either been forgotten or ignored. You don’t have to accept this shoddy treatment and you certainly don’t owe Australia anything. Don’t despair, take inspiration from John Howard. Be selfish, do what is best for you. If you can, I would say leave. 1 million Australians live overseas, most of them young people. There is a better life waiting for you somewhere. One in twenty Australians have already discovered this, the world is waiting for you to discover too.
Again i agree,but why should anyone over 40 leave when most have families.Or you could be like Burnt Bum and be 2 stupid to have a family,or responsibility.
 

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Quite an interesting post coasting.Suggesting people live overseas is a great idea,I love Australia but there are many other great countries too.

I've lived in quite a few other Western countries.Sweden,England,U.S.A and Canada.

I can only speak anecdotally, but I'm fairly confident when I say that the 2 things most non Liberal voters bleat about- standards of education and healthcare are second to none in Australia.

I agree with you that taxation is too high in Australia,but the ALP sure wont lower them sustainably.Their entire ideaology is based around increasing Governemnt spending.
 

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I have read a lot of despair since the Howard victory. If you are 18-30 I would say do not despair, you do not have to accept your life in Australia as it is. Its not as hard to leave as you might think, it is easy to get work overseas and people think highly of Australians. If you leave, you’ll never have to pay your $40,000 HECS bill while trying to pay off a mortgage. You’ll never have to pay record levels of taxation and if you’re a man you’ll never have to pay maintenance for a child you’re not allowed to see. There is nothing in it for you to stay. The baby-boomer generation had a free ride with many things but are now imposing record levels of debt on young Australians. People wonder why there is a braindrain on young professional Australians. That is because Australia does not care about young people. The baby boomers govern for themselves, let them have their Utopian paradise. We all know John Howard governs for the populace and the population is old. Young people have either been forgotten or ignored. You don’t have to accept this shoddy treatment and you certainly don’t owe Australia anything. Don’t despair, take inspiration from John Howard. Be selfish, do what is best for you. If you can, I would say leave. 1 million Australians live overseas, most of them young people. There is a better life waiting for you somewhere. One in twenty Australians have already discovered this, the world is waiting for you to discover too.

I agree. If these people are that urine weak it is better that the urinate off somewhere else.

Take your bat (no balls as you dont have any) and go to your new home.

Closee the door on the way out and take your box of tissues with you.
 

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Again i agree,but why should anyone over 40 leave when most have families..
Why would anyone want to leave when they have it pretty damn good in this country? All you people who are having a dummy spit about the election should grow up and get over it.

Or you could be like Burnt Bum and be 2 stupid to have a family,or responsibility
If you can't sledge properly you're better to be quiet and stop embarassing yourself.
 
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Why would anyone want to leave when they have it pretty damn good in this country? All you people who are having a dummy spit about the election should grow up and get over it.
This isn't a footy match where the when the final siren blows, that's it. The consequences of any election affect us all 24/365. Those who voted for an opposition party aren't being representated at all. The prime minister acts for the 50% who voted for him, not the 50% who didn't, it's the losers who'll be carrying the cost.

And what a cost. Iternationally the Libs have turned Australia into an joke. Australia used to be well respected country and was positively perceived into International affairs, now it is seem almost as a pariah state, barely above how South Africa used to be considered during the Apartheid era, such is the appaling disregard for human rights and absolute arrogance and self-righteousness of it's leaders.

Domestically, the gap between the haves and the have-nots grows ever wider. The dream of house ownership is way beyond the means of many. The social values that used to be ingrained in our society, the belief that medical care should be available for all, that education should be equally accessible for all. The simple tenet that if we all chip in then we can achieve a greater good than we could if we act individually. That's all gone and been replaced by a me first, the rest of you can go to hell, type attitude.

The left leaning vote has been swept away, not by the argument of pragmatic rationalism, but by the jingoistic terms of those who simply defame and abuse. Over the top uttereances about living in paradise echos resonantly with radicals who perform horrendous deeds on the basis they will go to paradise.
 

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And what a cost. Iternationally the Libs have turned Australia into an joke. Australia used to be well respected country and was positively perceived into International affairs, now it is seem almost as a pariah state, barely above how South Africa used to be considered during the Apartheid era, such is the appaling disregard for human rights and absolute arrogance and self-righteousness of it's leaders.
You have no idea. I have lived in Hong Kong, Singapore, Canada and the UK for nearly all of Howards time in office and never have we been considered a pariah state in those countries. For starters most of the Singaporeans and Hong Kongers were very keen to come here for education and to get permanent residency. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. You are an A grade fool.

Lets take refugees for example. Hong Kong used to have Vietnamese refugees in detention camps, Singapore doesnt take any and the UK labour govt has just introduced legislation to dramatically cut their numbers, whilst the conservative opposition has their policy platform to resign from the UN refugee convention. Not only that but the EU is seriously looking at setting up detention centres in Libya to process all those trying to get in to the EU ie their own version of the so called pacific solution. Italy presently holds its refugees in detention on an island and forcibly deports them back to Libya.

If Asian countries hate us so much then why have Singapore and Thailand negotiated free trade agreements with us and Japan and China expressed interest in the same?

To even compare us to South Africa just shows what a fool you are. I hope for your sake you have been drinking as that is one of the most idiotic comments on this board, even by some of the left wing loonies here. They were kicked out of the commonwealth, had trade sanctions against them by most countries, had their sportsmen banned and their passport holders were refused visas to a number of countries. None of these these have ever been threatened, let alone happened to Australia.

Re human rights, our refugee numbers have barely dropped under Howard and the level we take under the UN program is still one of the highest in the world as a % of population. You may also like to compare the money we spend on aboriginals and the amount of land given to them compared to other countries ie we rank just behind NZ and well ahead of others.

The rest of your post is also littered with complete crap but there is little point in refuting the garbage you spout.
 

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This isn't a footy match where the when the final siren blows, that's it.
Don't tell this crap to me.

The consequences of any election affect us all 24/365. Those who voted for an opposition party aren't being representated at all.
And who's fault is that? I don't like a situation where one party can have control of both houses but that is part and parcel of our excellent democratic system. Yes it does have a flaw, but it is better than any other system I have seen, and this flaw can't be removed without other adverse consequences.

Now if you latham supporters aren't being represented it's because many people think Latham is a buffoon. Bad luck. Get over it. Deal with it.



The prime minister acts for the 50% who voted for him, not the 50% who didn't, it's the losers who'll be carrying the cost.
Sooky la la.

So what do you suggest? Or are you just having a cry that Latham ran a pathetic campaign?

And what a cost. Iternationally the Libs have turned Australia into an joke.
That's just your opinion. Not everyone shares it. Or are your views be-all and end-all?

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tralia used to be well respected country and was positively perceived into International affairs, now it is seem almost as a pariah state, barely above how South Africa used to be considered during the Apartheid era, such is the appaling disregard for human rights and absolute arrogance and self-righteousness of it's leaders.
Absolute bollocks.

Domestically, the gap between the haves and the have-nots grows ever wider.
That's the way the cookie crumbles no matter which Govt. is in power.


The dream of house ownership is way beyond the means of many.
So you want a system where people can own their own home but will have little or no growth?

The social values that used to be ingrained in our society,
They're still the same. Do you really believed Howard cam along like some Messiah and changed the way people think? You're being ridiculous.


the belief that medical care should be available for all,
It is.


that education should be equally accessible for all.
It is. It is mandatory to attend primary and high school, and we have a HECS system for university which means when those students are earning a certain amount of money they have to start paying it back. Seems pretty fair to me.

The simple tenet that if we all chip in then we can achieve a greater good than we could if we act individually.
This has never existed and will never exist and I'm at a loss as to why you would believe such tripe.


That's all gone and been replaced by a me first, the rest of you can go to hell, type attitude.
Always been like that since the start of time.


The left leaning vote has been swept away, not by the argument of pragmatic rationalism,
Ahh, so people who don't agree with your political views aren't reational?

Sorry champ. We have a democracy that you don't seem to accept. You only want a democracy if things go your way. You're a fool and a sooky la la.


Over the top uttereances about living in paradise echos resonantly with radicals who perform horrendous deeds on the basis they will go to paradise.
Are you calling the people who run our country extremists?
 

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The fact that we can say what we want, vote how we want, have a computer to write what we want, it is a pretty good indication to me that we live in one of the best Countries in the World.
 

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The fact that we can say what we want, vote how we want, have a computer to write what we want, it is a pretty good indication to me that we live in one of the best Countries in the World.
True, but that is nothing to do with the Liberal Govt v Labor Govt.

I think the federal libs ride on the economic powerhouse states, in which all the meaningful decisions are made by Labor govts.
 
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