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As usual with the AFC, the best man for the job is someone who already works for us (and in this case was moved out of the job a few years ago).
FFS, until they know what's happening with Dean, it was ALWAYS going to be an inside appointment. You don't hire someone from outside to "keep a seat warm". And if you do hire a guy from outside before you know the prognosis you are seen to be callous and uncaring.
 

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FFS, until they know what's happening with Dean, it was ALWAYS going to be an inside appointment. You don't hire someone from outside to "keep a seat warm". And if you do hire a guy from outside before you know the prognosis you are seen to be callous and uncaring.
Nail on the head.
 

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Not happy about this. I thought Noble was a terrible forward coach. I wasn't the only one.
Woody, he was forward line coach durinh 2005 & 2006 while we were pretty damn good. He had Perrie, Mcgregor, Welsh and Burton to work will. No stars there, but I think he did alright. We kicked some big scores.
 

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Woody, he was forward line coach durinh 2005 & 2006 while we were pretty damn good. He had Perrie, Mcgregor, Welsh and Burton to work will. No stars there, but I think he did alright. We kicked some big scores.
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FFS, until they know what's happening with Dean, it was ALWAYS going to be an inside appointment. You don't hire someone from outside to "keep a seat warm". And if you do hire a guy from outside before you know the prognosis you are seen to be callous and uncaring.
Well crafted

Not to mention Dean's role has no direct match day accountability, it's more of a 12th man role where he assists the team of coaches where he can
 

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Regardless of whether Bailey recovers or not, and of course everyone hopes that he will, does anyone really believe that he will be back at work this year? I don't. And I think it's stupid of the club to identify a need for a match day strategist, then do without one for two years. Employ someone on the understanding that when/if Bailey comes back, they move into another role. I can't believe we've got our list manager doing it. If list management is such a part-time role then I hope it's paid as such. But I bet it's not.
 

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Regardless of whether Bailey recovers or not, and of course everyone hopes that he will, does anyone really believe that he will be back at work this year? I don't. And I think it's stupid of the club to identify a need for a match day strategist, then do without one for two years. Employ someone on the understanding that when/if Bailey comes back, they move into another role. I can't believe we've got our list manager doing it. If list management is such a part-time role then I hope it's paid as such. But I bet it's not.
My personal view Bailey's role is a bit of an over-stated role, when he was initially apot it made sense because Sando was a rookie coach however now Sando has had two years in the chair and should be less reliant on a Bailey type of role

Its just not our club. I think that all clubs gave followed this coaching director fab but what are they accountable for? FFS look at Port they have appointed a coaching director with little to no coaching experience, enough said.....

Personally if Sando, Dasher, Milburn, Bicks, Campo, Clarke and the 5-6 sanfl / development coaches can't prepare our list and the team for game day then we are in real trouble with or without Dean

If the AFL wants to cut club spending these Director type roles would be first on my radar, nothing more than a safety net role which is not required if you have a strong enough head coach and supporting assistants
 

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FFS, until they know what's happening with Dean, it was ALWAYS going to be an inside appointment. You don't hire someone from outside to "keep a seat warm". And if you do hire a guy from outside before you know the prognosis you are seen to be callous and uncaring.

Spot on Jenny.

And for all the negativity here, Noble is a good coach. He took Glenelg from an absolute rabble to a finals side, moved to Adelaide and did very well with our limited forward line of superstars before deciding list management and football department manager was a side of his development he wanted to go down.

In the end all he has to do is be forthright in the box and come up with ideas and assist Camporeale with ideas for the midfield
 

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FFS, until they know what's happening with Dean, it was ALWAYS going to be an inside appointment. You don't hire someone from outside to "keep a seat warm". And if you do hire a guy from outside before you know the prognosis you are seen to be callous and uncaring.
Does anyone really expect Bailey to be back? There is zero chance he will be back this year, and very little he will be at all.

It's terribly sad, but the world keeps turning - Bailey was great, did we go out and get the best man available to replace him, or did we, yet again, half arse it with a comfortable internal appointment?
 

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Tricky one. We've been put in a difficult position this year and I can see why we've taken this course.

Having said that, I would be very disappointed if we weren't discreetly doing our due diligence to ensure we have contingencies (that don't constitute internal re-shuffles) in place if Bailey is unavailable again next year and/or beyond.
 

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Does anyone really expect Bailey to be back? There is zero chance he will be back this year, and very little he will be at all.
True but it would be in really bad taste to move him on and to be honest could cause a lot of bad feelings in the playing group. He would be a father figure to a group of boys...you don't mess with that. This situation has to be managed carefully, what is best for the club. Bails and the playing group, we will all have different opinions on this but to be critical of taking the perceived softer option in this regard...

I can understand what you are saying though and that line of thinking has a lot of validity to it but if the Crows board have made a promise to a man in Bails state then stick by it
 

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Does anyone really expect Bailey to be back? There is zero chance he will be back this year, and very little he will be at all.

It's terribly sad, but the world keeps turning - Bailey was great, did we go out and get the best man available to replace him, or did we, yet again, half arse it with a comfortable internal appointment?
Do you really need to use these circumstances to justify bashing the club?
 

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What circumstances?

Bailey is unavailable, the reasons are irrelevant in this context - the only relevant question is did we get the best man to replace him?
You completely miss read this situation then. The boys love Bailey. Any talk of a replacement would just about cause a player revolt. The club is right to replace internally.

We are talking about real people not AFL Live on xbox where you input everything into an algorithm and players perform.

I read Bailey as a straight forward guy. If/when he needs replacing he'd be the first one to tell the club and I'd bet he'd address the players himself. The club gains nothing and infact regressive if we take steps to be 100% clinical and without emotion or compassion.

Everyone else has satisfactorily covered Noble's ability.

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We're very nice.

It would be mean to go outside the club and head hunt someone full time to fill Bailey's role when we don't know his long term health situation.

It would be harsh to cut Nathan van Berlo from the captaincy when he has just suffered a major injury.

It would be insensitive to appoint Danger or Sloane as a stand alone acting captain - they both have something to offer.

Say what you will about Adelaide, but we are a kind club with people's feelings at heart. Perhaps that can be our new slogan?
 

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We're very nice.

It would be mean to go outside the club and head hunt someone full time to fill Bailey's role when we don't know his long term health situation.

It would be harsh to cut Nathan van Berlo from the captaincy when he has just suffered a major injury.

It would be insensitive to appoint Danger or Sloane as a stand alone acting captain - they both have something to offer.

Say what you will about Adelaide, but we are a kind club with people's feelings at heart. Perhaps that can be our new slogan?
*shakes head*

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My personal view Bailey's role is a bit of an over-stated role, when he was initially apot it made sense because Sando was a rookie coach however now Sando has had two years in the chair and should be less reliant on a Bailey type of role

Its just not our club. I think that all clubs gave followed this coaching director fab but what are they accountable for? FFS look at Port they have appointed a coaching director with little to no coaching experience, enough said.....

Personally if Sando, Dasher, Milburn, Bicks, Campo, Clarke and the 5-6 sanfl / development coaches can't prepare our list and the team for game day then we are in real trouble with or without Dean

If the AFL wants to cut club spending these Director type roles would be first on my radar, nothing more than a safety net role which is not required if you have a strong enough head coach and supporting assistants
I tend to agree. I keep getting told though, that Bailey is the reason for our success in 2012 and his absence last season was the reason we sucked. Bit confusing really.
 

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You know, I've worked over 25 years and have seen a few cases of senior people getting a serious illness which necessitated them needing time of work. I have never seen the business I am in head hunt someone from outside the orginisation to replace them short term, always internally.

Not sure why the big deal on this occasion, I'd understand if they had promoted Sandos wife to the role but not somebody with experience
 
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My personal view Bailey's role is a bit of an over-stated role, when he was initially apot it made sense because Sando was a rookie coach however now Sando has had two years in the chair and should be less reliant on a Bailey type of role

Its just not our club. I think that all clubs gave followed this coaching director fab but what are they accountable for? FFS look at Port they have appointed a coaching director with little to no coaching experience, enough said.....

Personally if Sando, Dasher, Milburn, Bicks, Campo, Clarke and the 5-6 sanfl / development coaches can't prepare our list and the team for game day then we are in real trouble with or without Dean

If the AFL wants to cut club spending these Director type roles would be first on my radar, nothing more than a safety net role which is not required if you have a strong enough head coach and supporting assistants
Quantity is no substitute for Quality - particularly on match day - when you want less good advice in the box.
 
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I tend to agree. I keep getting told though, that Bailey is the reason for our success in 2012 and his absence last season was the reason we sucked. Bit confusing really.
Bailey was a factor, but not the sole reason (Sando has personally said as such). You seem to be playing extremes...
 
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